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It's Muziwandile Habebe together with Reinhardt Hartzenberg. We are from the Department of Sport, Arts and Culture. Archives oral history, we are in Pinetown with Umfowethu Peter Williams. Can you introduce youself Umfowethu. Thank you very much, Muziwandile.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/134813/file/249876#t=19.846,43.192"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/134813/file/249876/transcript/72636/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003ePeter Williams:\u003c/strong\u003e Thank you for making the trouble.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/134813/file/249876#t=43.192,45.346"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/134813/file/249876/transcript/72636/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMuziwandile Habebe:\u003c/strong\u003e To come all the way. And I think that what you don't know is we on the.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/134813/file/249876#t=45.346,49.923"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/134813/file/249876/transcript/72636/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003ePeter Williams:\u003c/strong\u003e First step of a.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/134813/file/249876#t=49.923,50.769"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/134813/file/249876/transcript/72636/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMuziwandile Habebe:\u003c/strong\u003e Very long journey. Yes. So I'll start off and say my name is Peter Thomas Williams. I was born in 1959, so if you can work that out, I'm 65 years old, and we're going to take you on a journey of my life. We're going to start off with the before I went to the Army. But obviously the story is mainly about my military life.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/134813/file/249876#t=50.769,76.846"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/134813/file/249876/transcript/72636/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMuziwandile Habebe:\u003c/strong\u003e We'll do a little bit later after the military life. Yes. But I'm an only child. I was brought up on a farm in the Eastern Cape, close to Port Elizabeth in an area called Fancy Gardens. It's named after the river that goes through the area itself. And there's actually a very.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/134813/file/249876#t=76.846,96.461"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/134813/file/249876/transcript/72636/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003ePeter Williams:\u003c/strong\u003e Big bridge that was built.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/134813/file/249876#t=96.461,98.5"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/134813/file/249876/transcript/72636/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMuziwandile Habebe:\u003c/strong\u003e Across the from Scotland, through river. And, so I come from that area, but it's close to the coast. 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Leave everything in blackness. Then you go out there and have a look.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/134813/file/249876#t=668.384,672.115"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/134813/file/249876/transcript/72636/annotation/121","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMuziwandile Habebe:\u003c/strong\u003e What's going on?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/134813/file/249876#t=672.115,672.73"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/134813/file/249876/transcript/72636/annotation/122","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003ePeter Williams:\u003c/strong\u003e You don't want to warn someone before it, you know. You find. Yes. You know I'm coming. 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He used to use the belt.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/134813/file/249876#t=1065.461,1068.461"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/134813/file/249876/transcript/72636/annotation/197","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMuziwandile Habebe:\u003c/strong\u003e On me, take the belt off and,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/134813/file/249876#t=1068.461,1070.846"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/134813/file/249876/transcript/72636/annotation/198","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003ePeter Williams:\u003c/strong\u003e But each each family has its own method of discipline.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/134813/file/249876#t=1070.846,1075.038"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/134813/file/249876/transcript/72636/annotation/199","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMuziwandile Habebe:\u003c/strong\u003e And things like that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/134813/file/249876#t=1075.038,1076.269"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/134813/file/249876/transcript/72636/annotation/200","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003ePeter Williams:\u003c/strong\u003e So my mother was the peacemaker.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/134813/file/249876#t=1076.269,1078.076"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/134813/file/249876/transcript/72636/annotation/201","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMuziwandile Habebe:\u003c/strong\u003e And my father. You just had one thing. You just.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/134813/file/249876#t=1078.076,1080.769"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/134813/file/249876/transcript/72636/annotation/202","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003ePeter Williams:\u003c/strong\u003e Did this. And that means in three seconds, you're going to get a out. 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But all those discipline factors helped me to guard me in a given.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/134813/file/249876#t=1117.076,1124.153"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/134813/file/249876/transcript/72636/annotation/209","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMuziwandile Habebe:\u003c/strong\u003e Direction in my life. And, you know, move forward.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/134813/file/249876#t=1124.153,1129.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/134813/file/249876/transcript/72636/annotation/210","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003ePeter Williams:\u003c/strong\u003e So would it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/134813/file/249876#t=1129.0,1130.153"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/134813/file/249876/transcript/72636/annotation/211","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMuziwandile Habebe:\u003c/strong\u003e Was, a blessing for me. 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This is the heart, this is the lungs. So when you want to shoot, you said, don't even go for the heart. You said you take the weapon. Took gave us a weapon. Put it underneath your chin and then you shoot your brains out. You should go. That's the right way to do it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/134813/file/249876#t=2467.038,2482.73"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/134813/file/249876/transcript/72636/annotation/451","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003ePeter Williams:\u003c/strong\u003e And he said, if you don't have a you shouldn't steal around in the first place because he said that serious, you mustn't steal. So I said, better you taken off okay. 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You know, they realised that too much.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/134813/file/249876#t=2516.692,2519.423"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/134813/file/249876/transcript/72636/annotation/457","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003ePeter Williams:\u003c/strong\u003e And he went and became a logistician. So he was involved in the logistics.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/134813/file/249876#t=2519.423,2523.615"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/134813/file/249876/transcript/72636/annotation/458","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMuziwandile Habebe:\u003c/strong\u003e And the support and so on.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/134813/file/249876#t=2523.615,2525.5"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/134813/file/249876/transcript/72636/annotation/459","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003ePeter Williams:\u003c/strong\u003e So a lot of things happen.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/134813/file/249876#t=2525.5,2527.538"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/134813/file/249876/transcript/72636/annotation/460","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMuziwandile Habebe:\u003c/strong\u003e And, it was the first time that I'd seen someone shoot themselves, you know?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/134813/file/249876#t=2527.538,2532.153"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/134813/file/249876/transcript/72636/annotation/461","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003ePeter Williams:\u003c/strong\u003e So it's all like a learning process. And you live now in this process. 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And they saw this month cropping month in this book with a Canadian river. And they thought, well, the build stopped there and they just drew a lot 800km going that way. And then there was another river, the the Cabango River. And then they followed the Congo River for a while, and then they thought, okay, well, there's nothing not to the next place.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/134813/file/249876#t=2768.038,2787.307"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/134813/file/249876/transcript/72636/annotation/514","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003ePeter Williams:\u003c/strong\u003e And then they drew another line, which is the strip, you know, they drew another 300 kilometre long. And so you have these weird things. 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Then further to the east, you have Zambia that goes. And then to the south of the previous strip, you've got a piece of Botswana. And, Namibia is south west Africa is a weird shape because up and down and then you've got the zip borders that goes to the east.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/134813/file/249876#t=2827.653,2845.923"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/134813/file/249876/transcript/72636/annotation/519","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMuziwandile Habebe:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay. 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But it forms these massive swamps to the east of that 200km. You've got another river called it, quando River. 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And then in the far east, of course, which is the, the boundary, to the east is you've got the Zambezi River, and that's the massive river that comes down from Central Africa and goes all the way and falls the Zimbabwe Falls and then carries on.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/134813/file/249876#t=2936.153,2957.423"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/134813/file/249876/transcript/72636/annotation/541","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMuziwandile Habebe:\u003c/strong\u003e So you may wonder why South West.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/134813/file/249876#t=2957.423,2960.038"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/134813/file/249876/transcript/72636/annotation/542","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003ePeter Williams:\u003c/strong\u003e Africa has got this big up and down piece with this Zippo.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/134813/file/249876#t=2960.038,2963.846"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/134813/file/249876/transcript/72636/annotation/543","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMuziwandile Habebe:\u003c/strong\u003e Pot, which.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/134813/file/249876#t=2963.846,2964.384"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/134813/file/249876/transcript/72636/annotation/544","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003ePeter Williams:\u003c/strong\u003e Is called the previous stop, the Zippo, because at that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/134813/file/249876#t=2964.384,2967.576"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/134813/file/249876/transcript/72636/annotation/545","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMuziwandile Habebe:\u003c/strong\u003e Stage,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/134813/file/249876#t=2967.576,2969.461"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/134813/file/249876/transcript/72636/annotation/546","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003ePeter Williams:\u003c/strong\u003e Africa wasn't properly.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/134813/file/249876#t=2969.461,2970.615"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/134813/file/249876/transcript/72636/annotation/547","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMuziwandile Habebe:\u003c/strong\u003e Backdoored and the Germans had this wonderful.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/134813/file/249876#t=2970.615,2973.615"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/134813/file/249876/transcript/72636/annotation/548","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003ePeter Williams:\u003c/strong\u003e Idea of being able to travel from the west coast of Africa all the way to the east coast. 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Everybody wants to go there. These other units, you know, they.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/134813/file/249876#t=3357.5,3361.846"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/134813/file/249876/transcript/72636/annotation/630","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMuziwandile Habebe:\u003c/strong\u003e I'm sure and.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/134813/file/249876#t=3361.846,3363.23"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/134813/file/249876/transcript/72636/annotation/631","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003ePeter Williams:\u003c/strong\u003e I not so sure. 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And tell them a few things that I'm not happy about, you know, and I said, well, what we what do you do, set the formula in the area? You know what I mean? I said, what do you found this? 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You know you're in trouble. This. Well, you know, it's a norm might. So they may be big mates, you know what I mean? So at the what are we telling this whole story? Vertical partners comes up and all us army guards, we stand to attention. They said no no no no no no. Just sit down.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/134813/file/249876#t=3773.23,3790.884"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/134813/file/249876/transcript/72636/annotation/702","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003ePeter Williams:\u003c/strong\u003e Don't confuse everything. And he walks over to them. Jump them. Hey. They hug each other. You know, you keep thinking you know, everything. Y'all come in, come in. And he's there for everyone. Say for five minutes, ten minutes, and then they're gone. You know what I mean? Suck in and up, you know? 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You sit there, you'll be off to lunch, maybe, you know, because we going slow. He said, no, no, no, no. Bumping up must be off to the next car or whatever you. So I said, well let me get all the same, you know, all the same foster okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/134813/file/249876#t=3830.115,3846.346"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/134813/file/249876/transcript/72636/annotation/706","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003ePeter Williams:\u003c/strong\u003e No, they get all the foster foster seat and this is what's going on with you. I said nothing, this is because I thought you're going to be like after lunch. This is like 11, 12:00. I said no, they told me I'm going after next, you know. So anyway, gets me attention. 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I sort of woke up empty, I made buffet, you said. Well, you were waiting. Did you meet yo yo yo yo, what is the, Now you answer form. So I think you form those letters or something, and. Oh. So what did you check about? 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After that, you're going to get your train.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/134813/file/249876#t=4093.653,4096.576"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/134813/file/249876/transcript/72636/annotation/733","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMuziwandile Habebe:\u003c/strong\u003e Ticket and you're going up to South West Africa. 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We were doing attacks and they you just carry on. Those guys couldn't speak ten words of English. So you had a choice either learn Portuguese will end up like a dumb mute, because when you tell them to do this, they just look at you like you know, nothing's good at. But you pick up the language very quickly.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/134813/file/249876#t=5337.73,5360.615"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/134813/file/249876/transcript/72636/annotation/886","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMuziwandile Habebe:\u003c/strong\u003e Fortunately, like I told you before, I had the neck of speaking. And they and also, while we were back on the phone, they still go to the bridge on the network. 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So we had retraining before every operation. You did one week's retraining just to finish it up. Okay. But, once a year your company would spend about six weeks just training, retraining and taking everything from, what made three, two different. 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Tick the boxes to and without drafting through. Like I said, we made that. Sergeant Major Pip said he was the regimental soldier, major. And, fortunately, I was alone with him. So we spent the day and he said to me, you know, all the stuff you've learnt at infantry school.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/134813/file/249876#t=5571.461,5597.115"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/134813/file/249876/transcript/72636/annotation/917","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMuziwandile Habebe:\u003c/strong\u003e He said, what you must do, not you must forget it all. Everything, the things that you bring you, you don't know what you do because we do things totally, totally differently. 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But it didn't help the tactics and what they did, they. So I'm going to tell you about the training, which was in preparation. So you started off with your section of team people and you did section battle groups. What did you do? 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Another one would go this way, come back. The other one goes the other way. So you dominating the area.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/134813/file/249876#t=5802.576,5809.653"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/134813/file/249876/transcript/72636/annotation/947","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMuziwandile Habebe:\u003c/strong\u003e And seeing what's happened. If something should happen, you see enemy, you have a contact, the other platoons or not too far away. 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And they could pick up the head. 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So it's the processes that, speeding intelligence up there. You're getting the bigger picture, and they're informing him what.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/134813/file/249876#t=5917.0,5926.23"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/134813/file/249876/transcript/72636/annotation/967","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMuziwandile Habebe:\u003c/strong\u003e He thinks he should not understand. But unlike other units like the Parachute Battalion or any other units of South African unit, the colonel in charge of the battalion speaks to the second trucks. The major. 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So it's very successful. We were experts at fire. And now, believe it or not, fire and movement.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/134813/file/249876#t=5964.461,5970.923"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/134813/file/249876/transcript/72636/annotation/976","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003ePeter Williams:\u003c/strong\u003e Is the way you would.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/134813/file/249876#t=5970.923,5971.769"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/134813/file/249876/transcript/72636/annotation/977","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMuziwandile Habebe:\u003c/strong\u003e Once with this enemy. And it was invented by.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/134813/file/249876#t=5971.769,5975.115"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/134813/file/249876/transcript/72636/annotation/978","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003ePeter Williams:\u003c/strong\u003e The books on Majuba, the battle.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/134813/file/249876#t=5975.115,5977.576"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/134813/file/249876/transcript/72636/annotation/979","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMuziwandile Habebe:\u003c/strong\u003e Of Majuba. They invented. So basically.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/134813/file/249876#t=5977.576,5980.384"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/134813/file/249876/transcript/72636/annotation/980","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003ePeter Williams:\u003c/strong\u003e If I can demonstrate to you you've got.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/134813/file/249876#t=5980.384,5982.384"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/134813/file/249876/transcript/72636/annotation/981","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMuziwandile Habebe:\u003c/strong\u003e Two sets of guys here, okay?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/134813/file/249876#t=5982.384,5984.923"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/134813/file/249876/transcript/72636/annotation/982","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003ePeter Williams:\u003c/strong\u003e These guys fire, these guys move forward.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/134813/file/249876#t=5984.923,5987.923"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/134813/file/249876/transcript/72636/annotation/983","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMuziwandile Habebe:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/134813/file/249876#t=5987.923,5988.807"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/134813/file/249876/transcript/72636/annotation/984","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003ePeter Williams:\u003c/strong\u003e That these guys go forward like that. And then the one group is supporting the other. So you're always moving forward under fire.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/134813/file/249876#t=5988.807,5997.076"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/134813/file/249876/transcript/72636/annotation/985","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMuziwandile Habebe:\u003c/strong\u003e And three two is very aggressive. Now some of them had lost their families or the brothers or their fathers in the war.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/134813/file/249876#t=5997.076,6003.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/134813/file/249876/transcript/72636/annotation/986","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003ePeter Williams:\u003c/strong\u003e So when they engaged the enemy they were aggressive and they were ready to take on him. And what they would say, these buddy buddy Yvonne.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/134813/file/249876#t=6003.0,6010.384"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/134813/file/249876/transcript/72636/annotation/987","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMuziwandile Habebe:\u003c/strong\u003e That's all you see.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/134813/file/249876#t=6010.384,6011.807"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/134813/file/249876/transcript/72636/annotation/988","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003ePeter Williams:\u003c/strong\u003e So when you saw the enemy, you initiate contact and then you just say, buddy, buddy, you have to take your big burger, you throw it off and then you get to your buddy, your buddy left and right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/134813/file/249876#t=6011.807,6023.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/134813/file/249876/transcript/72636/annotation/989","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMuziwandile Habebe:\u003c/strong\u003e To go Fuga. Okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/134813/file/249876#t=6023.0,6025.115"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/134813/file/249876/transcript/72636/annotation/990","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003ePeter Williams:\u003c/strong\u003e Very aggressive. And the aim of that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/134813/file/249876#t=6025.115,6027.461"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/134813/file/249876/transcript/72636/annotation/991","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMuziwandile Habebe:\u003c/strong\u003e Is to stay in touch with the.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/134813/file/249876#t=6027.461,6029.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/134813/file/249876/transcript/72636/annotation/992","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003ePeter Williams:\u003c/strong\u003e Enemy. You don't want the enemy to get away. So the faster the enemy goes, the faster you. You don't want to break contact. You want to keep him in your shooting. 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Your rucksack with your.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/134813/file/249876#t=6043.538,6046.846"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/134813/file/249876/transcript/72636/annotation/996","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003ePeter Williams:\u003c/strong\u003e Equipment, your big radio, you know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/134813/file/249876#t=6046.846,6048.884"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/134813/file/249876/transcript/72636/annotation/997","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMuziwandile Habebe:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay. Just leave it. 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This is guerrilla warfare. You have your surplus ammunition. What do.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/134813/file/249876#t=6057.923,6065.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/134813/file/249876/transcript/72636/annotation/1000","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003ePeter Williams:\u003c/strong\u003e You have? So. So what you have is you've got your big, big, your exec.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/134813/file/249876#t=6065.0,6070.461"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/134813/file/249876/transcript/72636/annotation/1001","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMuziwandile Habebe:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/134813/file/249876#t=6070.461,6071.615"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/134813/file/249876/transcript/72636/annotation/1002","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003ePeter Williams:\u003c/strong\u003e And in there you have your food, your water, your rations, your ammunition. Everything is in the book. Okay. But on you, you have got a chest with big with five magazines. Yeah. Your six magazine is on your weapon, and then you've got a battle jacket over the top of them, and your battle jackets got your medical bag behind you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/134813/file/249876#t=6071.615,6093.692"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/134813/file/249876/transcript/72636/annotation/1003","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003ePeter Williams:\u003c/strong\u003e It's got a water bottle this side. The side. 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And you can either put it up or put it underneath your head. 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And you know, that consciously. So in this training,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/134813/file/249876#t=6293.769,6302.923"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/134813/file/249876/transcript/72636/annotation/1038","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMuziwandile Habebe:\u003c/strong\u003e A lot of incidents happen. I'm just going to tell you a few incidents that are happening. 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And so like, I start the vehicle, then he would go to them again. But now you can't stop. You went in neutral like I switch off. Okay. Now I'm in neutral. You know what I mean? Now you start the vehicle. You know, the clutch, the foot first gear, but second gear.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/134813/file/249876#t=6802.5,6822.23"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/134813/file/249876/transcript/72636/annotation/1122","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003ePeter Williams:\u003c/strong\u003e Slow down, slow down. Use the handbrake. Right turn left, turn right. You know. So come here. You can drop, but never be. Not the vehicle, you know, it's just like this. So says to me, listen, let's take him for a drive in the Landrover, because now we got this open belt. You know what I mean? 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And then when the helicopter comes at 2:00 in the morning, you signal it in, it lands and you refuel it, and then it goes. When they come back from the operation, the same thing. 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And you can't.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/134813/file/249876#t=7770.73,7773.769"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/134813/file/249876/transcript/72636/annotation/1288","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMuziwandile Habebe:\u003c/strong\u003e Do this operation.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/134813/file/249876#t=7773.769,7775.884"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/134813/file/249876/transcript/72636/annotation/1289","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003ePeter Williams:\u003c/strong\u003e So we trust because the other guys in training we have the what haven't been on operations. So I mean, we're not the first ones to go and operate, but this Tyler Tyler says to us, he's not so sure he's asking questions. You know, if we get caught day behind enemy lines and we're over 100km in and, you know, he's asking all sorts of questions and we say, listen, this is just a warning to say what's going to happen.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/134813/file/249876#t=7775.884,7803.5"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/134813/file/249876/transcript/72636/annotation/1290","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003ePeter Williams:\u003c/strong\u003e You know, it's not the final road. We still going to travel 800km to the area. They're going to brief us. They're going to tell us exactly what to do. 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But he's big I think. No no no no no I.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/134813/file/249876#t=7853.461,7859.73"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/134813/file/249876/transcript/72636/annotation/1298","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003ePeter Williams:\u003c/strong\u003e Know the shift is done yet. And yet by 5:30 I know the chef goes up to the top so gets everything ready. We were close to the big mess. So I'm waiting there. And I said, Tyler, are you ready? What's going on?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/134813/file/249876#t=7859.73,7873.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/134813/file/249876/transcript/72636/annotation/1299","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMuziwandile Habebe:\u003c/strong\u003e Using short pants on a T-shirt. 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So, and I'm thinking, you know, what must I do?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/134813/file/249876#t=7875.884,7902.576"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/134813/file/249876/transcript/72636/annotation/1301","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003ePeter Williams:\u003c/strong\u003e You know, my friend back in infantry school, he also tried this, but not this one. You know, this is, and the chef is blowing on the hooter telling you want to come. Come. If you don't want to come, you can go. So I tell him, Tyler, just hold on. 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You all you guys are running. I said no, no, no, we could point it up, but we have a problem. What's the problem? I said, come with me. 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And he says, can't you see that I'm busy? I said, no, no, no, that must wait. I need something, not so. I say, listen, we got a problem with Tyler. He wants to commit suicide. This is what suicide, I said. Yeah, you said not, you know, shit. He's got a gun underneath his chin. We said, did they shoot the first shot?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/134813/file/249876#t=7945.538,7964.5"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/134813/file/249876/transcript/72636/annotation/1308","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003ePeter Williams:\u003c/strong\u003e I said, no, not yet. Is cut that same Land Rover that belongs to the sheriff, not we in the Land Rover. It. If you're East Ravi, we're sitting on the left. I'm sitting at the back, but he's driving like a lunatic now, you know what I mean. 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You just see feathers everywhere. And me. And we grab him, take the weapon away.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/134813/file/249876#t=8021.0,8031.5"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/134813/file/249876/transcript/72636/annotation/1314","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMuziwandile Habebe:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/134813/file/249876#t=8031.5,8033.5"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/134813/file/249876/transcript/72636/annotation/1315","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003ePeter Williams:\u003c/strong\u003e So Eddie says to him, what the hell you're doing? You know what I mean? You must save this nonsense for the wall. That's what you must be shooting. Not yet. He seems to me strip him of his clothes. So we take his clothes for his underwear. So. No no no no no. Everything. Nothing. Naked. Time up. Put him in the back of the van.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/134813/file/249876#t=8033.5,8054.038"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/134813/file/249876/transcript/72636/annotation/1316","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003ePeter Williams:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, put him in. So off we go from there. We're going back to the piercing. You're going to miss breakfast because, you know, you're going to miss breakfast. I say, what you worried about? You made breakfast, and he says, shut the hell up. The two of you driving like a little past the parade ground. 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Okay. 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That to me, you said these boots is all my stuff. You leave that up. All these personal.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/134813/file/249876#t=8186.884,8195.769"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/134813/file/249876/transcript/72636/annotation/1333","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMuziwandile Habebe:\u003c/strong\u003e Stuff you put in there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/134813/file/249876#t=8195.769,8197.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/134813/file/249876/transcript/72636/annotation/1334","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003ePeter Williams:\u003c/strong\u003e He says. Then you make two.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/134813/file/249876#t=8197.0,8198.461"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/134813/file/249876/transcript/72636/annotation/1335","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMuziwandile Habebe:\u003c/strong\u003e Copies.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/134813/file/249876#t=8198.461,8200.115"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/134813/file/249876/transcript/72636/annotation/1336","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003ePeter Williams:\u003c/strong\u003e Two pieces, carbon paper.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/134813/file/249876#t=8200.115,8201.807"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/134813/file/249876/transcript/72636/annotation/1337","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMuziwandile Habebe:\u003c/strong\u003e And you write everything down.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/134813/file/249876#t=8201.807,8203.384"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/134813/file/249876/transcript/72636/annotation/1338","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003ePeter Williams:\u003c/strong\u003e Then you're the lieutenant and the witness who saw you put it in the in the trunk.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/134813/file/249876#t=8203.384,8207.807"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/134813/file/249876/transcript/72636/annotation/1339","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMuziwandile Habebe:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/134813/file/249876#t=8207.807,8208.5"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/134813/file/249876/transcript/72636/annotation/1340","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003ePeter Williams:\u003c/strong\u003e The other one you take to the headquarters, you leave.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/134813/file/249876#t=8208.5,8210.884"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/134813/file/249876/transcript/72636/annotation/1341","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMuziwandile Habebe:\u003c/strong\u003e The in the fall, then you send those two trunks to me. So in that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/134813/file/249876#t=8210.884,8215.384"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/134813/file/249876/transcript/72636/annotation/1342","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003ePeter Williams:\u003c/strong\u003e Process, we do everything he tells us to do. And he says, you take the two keys, you throw in the river, throw the voice here. Once you lock them and everything is right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/134813/file/249876#t=8215.384,8224.615"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/134813/file/249876/transcript/72636/annotation/1343","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMuziwandile Habebe:\u003c/strong\u003e You throw them away.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/134813/file/249876#t=8224.615,8225.73"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/134813/file/249876/transcript/72636/annotation/1344","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003ePeter Williams:\u003c/strong\u003e But he's got the other two speakers in the room. So when it comes there, he knows that what we put in is still there. You know, to this day, I haven't heard where Tyler.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/134813/file/249876#t=8225.73,8235.076"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/134813/file/249876/transcript/72636/annotation/1345","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMuziwandile Habebe:\u003c/strong\u003e Is or what happened. You never heard of him.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/134813/file/249876#t=8235.076,8237.5"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/134813/file/249876/transcript/72636/annotation/1346","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003ePeter Williams:\u003c/strong\u003e But in the Army, you have brand towels.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/134813/file/249876#t=8237.5,8240.884"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/134813/file/249876/transcript/72636/annotation/1347","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMuziwandile Habebe:\u003c/strong\u003e You know. Tom looked up and I looked at all this equipment, and I thought to myself, Tyler doesn't need a towel anymore. And all this army stuff. We're heading back to the stores. So I took his store and then I went to the. We had, timelessly, I think, to them.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/134813/file/249876#t=8240.884,8259.615"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/134813/file/249876/transcript/72636/annotation/1348","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003ePeter Williams:\u003c/strong\u003e Put the two together. I want to make a big deal. 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But I'll tell you with the other two comfortable. So myself and this Sergeant Major Rosa, we started building a relationship with this.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/134813/file/249876#t=8267.307,8282.23"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/134813/file/249876/transcript/72636/annotation/1351","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMuziwandile Habebe:\u003c/strong\u003e Process as it goes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/134813/file/249876#t=8282.23,8283.307"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/134813/file/249876/transcript/72636/annotation/1352","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003ePeter Williams:\u003c/strong\u003e On. But we'll come back to that and the towels and so on. But I do carry the task. But I did the task.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/134813/file/249876#t=8283.307,8292.346"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/134813/file/249876/transcript/72636/annotation/1353","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMuziwandile Habebe:\u003c/strong\u003e Which I know that the three of you were asked to, to perform there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/134813/file/249876#t=8292.346,8297.461"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/134813/file/249876/transcript/72636/annotation/1354","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003ePeter Williams:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, yes. No, no, we did the task, but there was only two of us. The two? Yeah. 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We arrived back in the late afternoon and he said no food for them and no drink was too wild. And then we were told all our troops would take all the ammunition back. So, you know, Aussies, we had big piles of ammunition, lots of weapons, and we get back and it's tradition at three two, when you get back, the pubs open, there's a big break.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/134813/file/249876#t=9252.615,9279.769"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/134813/file/249876/transcript/72636/annotation/1491","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003ePeter Williams:\u003c/strong\u003e You drink until the sun comes up or just before the sun comes up. You must go now. We told no booze, nothing. So one guy looks at another guy and I think it was Rick. Lob said, well, I'm bored. 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So Battalion of eight, company 78, company 850 men. They shot up all the ammunition for 850 men. I'm talking about hundreds and thousands just shooting over the roof in this process. 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