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In these writings, he expresses his disappointment at the ongoing challenge of achieving complete freedom for black people in South Africa.\u003c/p\u003e"]}},{"label":{"en":["Date"]},"value":{"en":["2023-11-28"]}},{"label":{"en":["Specific Location"]},"value":{"en":["Killie Campbell Africana Library"]}},{"label":{"en":["Extended Locations"]},"value":{"en":["Durban - eThekwini Metropolitan Municipality - KwaZulu-Natal - South Africa"]}},{"label":{"en":["Duration "]},"value":{"en":["03:30:35"]}},{"label":{"en":["Contributors"]},"value":{"en":["Timothy Sibusiso Muntu 'Nganono' Nxumalo (Interviewee)","Muziwandile Hadebe (Interviewer)","Reinhardt Hartzenberg (Field Technician)"]}},{"label":{"en":["Interviewee Information"]},"value":{"en":["Timothy Sibusiso Muntu 'Nganono' Nxumalo (Name)","1957-08-05 (Date of Birth)","Mkhumbane-Chesterville (Location of Birth)","Zulu (Ethnicity)","Male (Gender)","Musician/Writer/Activist (Occupation)"]}},{"label":{"en":["Repository"]},"value":{"en":["Audio-Visual Repository"]}},{"label":{"en":["Language"]},"value":{"en":["IsiZulu (Primary)","English (Secondary)"]}},{"label":{"en":["Source URL"]},"value":{"en":["https://www.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653"]}},{"label":{"en":["Access Restrictions"]},"value":{"en":["This material is open for public access and research"]}},{"label":{"en":["Format"]},"value":{"en":["MPEG-4 (Base Media / Version 2) - extension: .mp4 - ISO/IEC 14496-14 -Video Compression Standard: HEVC (H265) - Frames: 25fps - 16:9 - 8-bit - Compression Mode: Lossy - 854x480 pixels (Public Access - Format)","AVCHD - extension: .MPT - Frame rate: 25fps - 16:9 - Compression Mode: Lossy - 1920 x 1080 pixels (Original Media - Format)","ProRes422 - extension: .MOV - Frame rate: 25fps - 16:9 - 8-bit - Compression Mode: Lossy - 1920 x 1080 pixels (Video Archive Version - Format)"]}},{"label":{"en":["Primary Media Type"]},"value":{"en":["Video"]}},{"label":{"en":["Medium"]},"value":{"en":["Born digital (digitally generated content)"]}},{"label":{"en":["Themes"]},"value":{"en":["Military Veterans","Struggle Veterans"]}},{"label":{"en":["Subject"]},"value":{"en":["Experiences of Military Veterans","Freedom Struggle memories"]}},{"label":{"en":["Genre"]},"value":{"en":["Oral Histories"]}},{"label":{"en":["Transcript Language"]},"value":{"en":["IsiZulu"]}},{"label":{"en":["Conditions governing access"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eCollection is open for research.\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\u003cp\u003e \u003c/p\u003e"]}},{"label":{"en":["Condition governing reproduction"]},"value":{"en":["COPIES FOR PRIVATE STUDY: Subject to copyright, conditions imposed by owners and protecting the documents, digital copies can be made. 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We are from Department of Sports Arts and Culture, Archives Oral History Unit. Sise-Kellie Campell, sizokhuluma la nomfowethu…sixoxa nomfowethu uMuntu Nxumalo. Mfowethu awuzethule usho amagama akho nje aphelele ukuthi wena ungubani, wakabani, wazalwa nini?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=13.0,46.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: Ya, hayi no, angibonge Bhungane Makhulukhulu phela kuthiwa uBhungane noma Makhulukhulu, ngiyazi bathanda ukuziphakamisa bathi bakhulu bangangoThixo uyabo bayaziphakamisa ...[uhleko]…Ya, mina ngiwuMuntu wakaNxumalo. UMuntu igama le-family, it’s a family name eli-popular ngoba bonke abantu bangazi ngoMuntu kufana ne-combat name kuthiwa uNganono igama lakhona but uTimothy Sibusiso igama lami ukuthi manje leli likaTimothy nelikaSibusiso alizange lichume ke lona.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=46.0,76.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Mhlawumbe ke uTimothy elaseBhayibhelini that’s why lingachumanga because babengazi noma basho uTimothy weBhayibheli noma uTimothy mina yini. But ke mina ngiwuMuntu Sibusiso wakaNxumalo…ehhh…ngizalwa e-Chesterville eMkhumbane. I-Chesterville ke iyilokishi elincane elakhiwa ngo-1942. Kwakuthiwa ke i-Blackhurst nje ngoba bathi abanye i-Bhlekesi, kwakuyi-Blackhurst, yayiphethwe u-Miss Blackhurst owayethunywe u-Sir Benjamin Durban kuyihlathi nje elimnyama.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=76.0,112.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yikho nje nobaba uu-Champion, ubaba u-A.W.G. Champion babembiza uMahlathamnyama isukela khona i-nickname yakhe. So, Blackhurst kwathi ngo-1942 u-Ian Chester wayesakha ilokishi okuthiwa i-Chesterville. I-Chesterville was temporarily…kwakuthiwa i-location, you are located ukuthi mawusebenza. When you work you stay in Chesterville, if you don’t work you…kwakunama-Black jack ke but i-history yakhona ngeke ngingene kuyona mina. But ngizalwa khona, I was born and bred e-Chesterville.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=112.0,143.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I am a township boy, I did all the good and the bad things zaselokishini ezenziwa all township boys but normal things not extreme things, yeah. But ngakhula ke njengoba manje sengiwu Nguboziyeweni, ngizosho njalo ngizothi ngiwuNguboziyeweni ngoba manje I’m above 66 uyabo sengiyaguga, isimncane iminyaka eya ngala ngasethuneni, emningi sengiyihambe ngapha.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=143.0,173.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Uzalwe ngamuphi unyaka?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=173.0,175.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: Ngizalwe ngo-1957 ngo-August 5, ngizalelwa e-King Edward kunesibhedlela abathi i-King Edward. So, lana ke ngizalwa ubaba wami u-Cliford, uNdoda wakaNxumalo. UNdoda ke babembiza uNdoda ngoba abakubo babemthathe ngokuthi uyindoda kwi-family yakhona. Ubaba u-Cliford Nxumalo wayenguMfundisi ezalwa uFanono, umkhulu kwakuthiwa uFanono sazi ukuthi uFanono nje umkhulu. Waye…waye…umkhulu babeyizilwi babekulento zezimpi. UFanono uzalwa uMvaywana. UMvaywana ke wayeyiqhawe ngicabanga kulezizimpi ezikhona…ukuthi amanye amagama awabhalwa but I think ukuthi wayekhona eSandlwana.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=175.0,224.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But uMbaywana kuze kuthiwe uMvaywana kuthiwa wayevala ngekhanda lamadoda, wayevala ngekhanda lendoda nje kuthiwa wawubona ukuthi uMvaywana...If uyawukhumbula umlando wakaZwide, wakaNxumalo kwakunoNtombazi. Kwakuthi uma kubulewe Inkosi kuthathwe ikhanda libekwe esangweni uyabona, ulibeke esangweni ikhanda lakhona. So, umkhulu wathola leyo-nickname okuthiwa uMvaywana kuthiwa uvala ngekhanda lamadoda, makuliwa nje wayebuya eliphethe athi nanti ikhanda, kubuywa empini.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=224.0,251.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ngicabanga ukuthi ngiphelela lapho. Uyahlupha ke umlando wethu ngoba sazi ubaba, nomkhulu nokhokho asibazi okudlula labo. Ngiyakhumbula nje kulemicimbi owawukhona la eThekwini, la e-Sun Coast…Wathi u-Ottie Nxumalo asike sisho umlando wethu ukuthi uzalwa ubani usho abantu abawu-7 abakuzalayo, eyi kwaba nzima kwacima izibani. Abanye abazi ngisho omkhulu babo ke, kukhona abangazi ngisho omkhulu babo…","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=251.0,277.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Yebo…Mmmm…","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=277.0,278.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: Abanye ngisho noyise ababazi uyabo. I think mhlawumbe enye into ekufuneka siyilungise lena emlandweni ukuthi asazi ukuthi sizalwa obani. Kumnandi ukwazi iBhayibheli wazi u-Abraham, Isaya noJakobe but yazi ukuthi ungubani ubaba wakho. Ubani umkhulu wakho, ubani ukhokho wakho. Manje mawungabazi kusho ukuthi wena kukhona okushodayo la engqondweni yakho uyabo. Isizwe esingenawo umlando isizwe esifile leso, ufe uhamba uyilento abathi yi-walking corpse ya.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=278.0,305.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So, ubaba ke njengoba engizala kunomama, umama wami ke u-Alice Nomabhunu. Bathi uNomabhunu ngoba wayemhlophe yingakho babembiza ngebhunu. Usuka eNdwedwe kaJali uwuMaJali kwi-family yakaJali yayidumile eNdwedwe ngalesosikhathi kukhona ugogo okwakuthiwa uManana Jali owayedumile nje ugogo wethu. Babehlangene ne-family yakaMakhathini kodwa umlando omunye omude lowo, but usuka eNdwedwe, eThafamasi umama. Umama, ubaba wakhe uFanono…no, u-Conelius ngoba uFanono umkhulu. U-Conelius Jali. Wayehlale ekhuluma ethi umama, uyabona mina ngizalwa u-Conelius owaye-proud ngobaba wakhe. Sisakhula sithi u-Conelius wani? Thina singa-understand elokishini ukuthi umama uhlale esitshela ngo-Conelius sihlanganaphi no-Conelius? Uyabo…[uhleko]…Conelius Jali, uyabo benogogo ke.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=305.0,360.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ugogo…hawu bengingasashongo ke kule kababa ngoba ngikhulume ngobaba kuphela nomama. Ugogo ozala ubaba kwakungowaka Ndlovu uMaNdlovu kwakunguCupheni. Kuthiwa makushiswa impepho nje emndenini kubizwa yena ngoba bathi idlozi lakhona kuthiwe asiCupheni, Mpongo, Zingelwayo ufika uzokwenza lokho okwenzakalayo ngoba ukuthi phela sikhule sibuye sivakashe emakhaya sitshelwe ukuthi naba, naba. So, umama, kwi-side lakamama, njengoba sengisho elikamkhulu ukuthi u-Conelius but wayezalwa uBhlantshi, kukhona okwakuthiwa uBhlantshi ukhokho wami wakaJali.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=360.0,410.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But ugogo lo owayezala umama wayesuka kaMakhanya, uKaMakhanya ugogo ozala umama…ehhh…ugogo wakhona kuningi nje ayedume ngako. And njengoba ewuMakhanya, umkhulu uBhlantshi wayethathe uMaMthembu so kusho ukuthi mina izimpande zami zixhumene noJali, Makhanya noMthembu uyabo kubo kamama. Ngala ngakababa uNdlovu ngoba ugogo wami kwakunguNdlovu, MaNdlovu ugogo but ukhulu kwakuthiwani yena owaka…kwakuthiwa owakabani kambe? Ukhulu angisasikhumbuli kahle isibongo sakhe ngangizwa bemthakazela, kwakunezithakazelo eziningi ababezisho manje kugcina ungasazi kodwa babengakhulumi kakhulu ngaye, kusho ukuthi wayengadumile emndenini mangicabanga nje.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=410.0,479.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Awusakhumbuli nezithakazelo?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=479.0,482.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: Izithakazelo zakhona zikakhulu...konje babethi ubani...but kwakuyizithakazelo zakhe...babethi ubani…or kwakuyizibongo zakhe ngiyacabanga ukuthi kwakungezona izithakazelo zakhe because bengizozazi izithakazelo. Ya, babekhuluma nje ngaye kodwa kwakukhulunywa nje kudlulwa lento abathi ngesiNgisi, in passing. And ke yiko ngithi enye inkinga yethu ukuthi ngampela, ngampela asibazi abantu abasizalayo yiko kunalengoma eculwayo ubani, ethi “nizilibele ukuthi nizalwa ngobani” kukhona lentombazane ecula leyonto uthi, nizilibele ukuthi nizalwa ngobani.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=482.0,512.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Yebo.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=512.0,512.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: And ngampela sizilibele uzazi wena kuphela uthi hayi imina kanti kukhona la usuka khona unezimpande.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=512.0,519.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Manje laba ke omkhulu, okhokho babesuka kuphi nendawo?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=519.0,525.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: Oh, ubaba wayezalwa eNtshongweni, umkhulu basuka kaNongoma. Abantu bakaNxumalo basuka kaZwide babizwa ngoZwide, basuka ngezimpi lezi zikaShaka bahlakazeka. Ngesikhathi kuhlakazeka impi kaZwide enye ya...Kukhona okuthiwa uSoshangane owahamba waya eMozambique, wafika eMozambique wafica amaPutukezi namaShangane wafike wawashaya waphatha uSoshangane ngoba kuthiwa abasekhaya nalabo amadodana kaZwide. Bese kubakhona okuthiwa uMakigwana, uMakigwana noNgungunyane abafike baphatha eMozambique yibona abaphethe nje. And uma bebheka umlando wakhona, umlando wabo uhamba uhambe uze ufike manje ngoba even uSamora Machel lo owabulawa amaBhunu ngo-1989 bebulala kwibhanoyi lakhe ebulawa kwi-cabinet.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=525.0,577.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ngiyakhumbula kwafa abantu abawu-29 i-cabinet idutshulwa lapha kwabizwa amaBhunu. Ehhh…uSamora Machel kuthiwa naye ubesemndenini wakaZwide wayezalana noMakigwana noNgungunyane ngoba phela mase uyilanda ezansi...mawusuhlehla uthi…ya, kwakuwumndeni wakhona. Abanye ke bahamba baya eLimpopo, abanye bahamba baya eLimpopo, abanye bahamba baya eMozambique, abanye baya eZambia, abanye baya eZimbabwe bahlakazeka. Impi kaZwide yahlakazeka yonke ngoba wayenamadodana amaningi uZwide yikho uma bemuthakazela bathi Zwide, Mkhatshwa…uMkhatshwa kwakungenye indodana kaZwide…Sidinane Samaphisi, kukhona okwakuthiwa uSidinane samaphisi ababemdina.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=577.0,625.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kuthiwa nje Sidanane Samaphisi…uMaphisi wayembuka amcasukele nje uyabo uma emdina, athi uSidanane Samaphisi. USothondoshe ke uma bembiza babethi Sothondoshe, umthondo wethusi uyabo, Sothondoshe ilona elijwayelekile. Bayayithanda ke igenge encane yaselokishini, hawu Sothondoshe uyabo, ngiyabona kunento ethile eyikhulumayo. Bese kuba uManqele, uManqele naye owakaZwide but uManqele waxoshwa kaZwide ngokomlando. Ngesikhathi kuphuma impi kaZwide bakungabe ke amabutho kade edla intelezi uma kuzoliwa. So, uManqele mayebheka ubona izintombi ezinhle usethi, hayi lezingane zithathwa abantu manje usefuna ukuthi athathe la, eseshela layikhaya uyabo.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=625.0,668.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kukhona ke abanaleyo lokhuzana yikho bathi uManqele ngoba bathi usuyanqela layikhaya wena yingakho kuthiwa uManqele. Omunye futhi oyindodana kaZwide uMasuku, uMasuku naye kukhona indlela abamupanisha ngayo kaZwide because amasosha ayezothi uma eya empini angadli. Ayengadli phela ayethelwa ngezintelezi ukuthi abe nolaka alwe that’s why impi kaZwide ekuhlale kukhulunywa ngayo. And uMasuku wadla ebusuku kanti akudliwa yikho sekuthiwa uMasuku ngoba…in fact uwuDlebusuku ngokomthetho mase liphelele uwuDlebusuku. And ke wayeseba uMasuku ke ngokuthi kuyoliwa uyadla yena base bethi uMasuku.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=668.0,708.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Umdlwembe.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=708.0,709.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: Ehhhe…uyadlwembezela ngampela. Wayedlwembezela ngolimi lwamanje ukuthi hawu, nawu umthetho ukuthi masiyempini akungadliwa…Hawu, naku kuyiwa empini la kuthiwa singadli sifakwa izintelezi uyadla wena, uzolwa kanjani usuthi uyabo. Ngoba phela kufuneka ulwe uma ulambile khona phela uzoba nolaka, ube nenhliziyo encane. Yikho bethi a hungry man is an angry man uyabo. Mawulambile nje unolaka, umuntu mayelambile unolaka. Uyabona omunye umuntu ecasuka enenhliziyo encane, hayi ukuthi unenhliziyo encane ulambile ngoba indlala ibanga ulaka.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=709.0,735.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Mmmm...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=735.0,736.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: Ya, so kunalowomlando ke lowo and mawubheka...mawufunda incwadi kaMandela ethi, Long Walk to Freedom kwi introduction yakhona uyayichaza uMadiba ukuthi kuma-generations kaZwide…uthi u-King Zwide. Kukhona obembhalela ke ethi u-King Zwide uthi yena oMthembu, Abathembu bayi-generation yesi-8, isishiyagalombili. They are the 8th generation of King Zwide kusho ukuthi naBathembu...ukhumbule uuthi aBathembu babesuka la phela bahamba baya le phesheya kweNciba.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=736.0,767.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So, bathi ke aBathembu oMandela bonke nje lokhuza yakhona oSopiki, oMsibi ngoba ize ifake ngisho noHolomisa, noGungubele angithi babiza oMadiba mabethakazelwa  babiza oMadiba. ABathembu bonke labo. Bathi ke mawubala from uZwide babe…generation. Uyayichaza uMandela lento kwi-introduction mawufunda nje i-Long Walk to Freedom uyayichaza. Uyabona ukuthi isizwe sakaZwide kwakuyisizwe esikhulu, esinabile nangalesikhathi seyihlakazeka impi yakakhona, yahamba almost wonke umhlaba. Ngoba kukhona abaya ezansi e-South, North kukhona abaya e-West uyabo, kukhona abaya e-East.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=767.0,813.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Manje nina...laba basekhaya bafika nini ke la?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=813.0,816.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: No, phela thina la…mina sengizalwa elokishini eMkhumbane/Chesterville…njengoba bengichaza nje ukuthi iBhlekesi ibiyi-part yoMkhumbane, ibiyingxenye yoMkhumbane. Ubaba wazalelwa eNtshongweni, eNtshongweni ke base beshiywa abazali besabancane. Base beyahamba ke beyofuna umsebenzi esefika eThekwini…ehhhe…babewu-8 ke kubo, kukhona u-aunty Rose i-last born. Umfowabo omdala kwaku...wahamba wayofuna umsebenzi eGoli naye, umfowabo futhi oza emva kwakhe…ubaba wayewu-number 2 kwi-family yabo kukhona umfowabo omdala ababembiza uNsimbi wahamba waya eGoli wayofuna umsebenzi ngoba bengenababazali.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=816.0,864.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So, laba abawu-2 ngoba babewu-8 kwakufuneka bazogada lezingane ngoba khona ekade besancela. Omunye ubaba omncane mhlawumbe uyamazi ubaba u-Alfred usanda kuhamba nje emhlabeni ezinsukwini ubekuMkhonto Wesizwe. Asihlangananga naye saphambana ngoba ngesikhathi sengibuya wayehamba yena saphambana naye kodwa nje besike sixoxe nje uyabo, ubehlala la eMkhumbane naye e-Mayville eyisosha loMkhonto Wesizwe. So, kwakuwubaba omncane i-last born yakubo kababa leyo, kodwa babewu-8 nje kukhona no-aunty phakathi. Ubaba u-Robert, ubaba u-Frank, lo omdala kwakuthiwa uVikinduku igama lakhe u-first born wakhona.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=864.0,905.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: UNsimbi loyo?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=905.0,906.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: UNsimbi ya, kwakuwuVikinduku, bese kuba wubaba kwkauwu-Cliford uNdoda, bese kuba Frank oza emva kwakhe, bese kuba uRobert, bese kuba u-aunty Clara abantu babembiza u-Clara babehlala eMlazi. Ubaba uRobert uhlala eGoli namanje i-family yakaNxumalo isekhona eGoli yikho uma ngiye eGoli ngiye ngivakashele khona ngifike ngilale nje. U-last born wakhona kwakungu-aunty Rose.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=906.0,931.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE:  So, ngemva kwa-Clara kube wubani?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=931.0,935.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: Kwakufike kube uVikinduku, kube wubaba, Frank, kube uJaphet, oJaphet babehlala kaMashu ka-J.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=935.0,946.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Oh, uJaphet u-number 4.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=946.0,947.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: Ya uJaphet, uJaphet bese kuba u-aunty Clara behlala kaN eMlazi number 5 u-aunty Clara. Emva kuka-aunty Clara bese kuba ubaba uRobert behlala eGoli number 6, kwase kuba u-aunty Rose. U-aunty Rose ubehlala eNtshongweni ke yena uyabo, kodwa eNtshongweni besiya nje...uyazi phela emakhaya uma nikhulele elokishini ukuthi niya emakhaya uma kwenzeka into ethize, kodwa ukuvakashela nje emakhaya awusiboni isidingo nanokuthi kuyabhora. Uma niseyizingane kuthi niya lapha niyokwenzani lapha bafuye izinkomo uyabo, ayikho nje into ezonidonsa ukuthi mhlawumbe eish nayi into enhle yasemakhaya. Thina ngendlela esikhule ngayo nento esiyibukayo sikhulele elokishini ayikho into oyibukayo uthi iyakudonsa emakhaya, yima sibona manje ukubaluleka kwasemakhaya sesifuna umhlaba ukuthi umhlaba lo…because okhokho bethu nomkhulu bethu abanye babenemhlaba.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=947.0,1014.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Manje uma sesifika lana sihlala emhlabeni kaMasipala yabo, yikho oSifosonke Mpanza, oMagebhula bagebhula umhlaba kamasipala. Lomhlaba lo kuthiwa okamasipala asinawo umhlaba la emadolobheni, wonke umhlaba ngisho uthenga umuzi. Uma uthenga indlu nje uthenge izindonga lezo, I structure umhlaba nje akusiwona owakho yiko bekunika lento abathi yimvume, uvunyelwe ukuthi u-occupy uyabona. Yinto enjani leyo, unikwa imvume yokuthi uthengile bathi i-PTO (Permission to Occupy. Hawu kahleni bo! Imithetho eminingi ke imithetho yakhona, imithetho ye-apartheid esizobuye sikhulume ngayo ngelinye ilanga because size singene emzabalazweni sathi angeke siyimele yonke lento, ngeke siyimele yonke lento eyenzeka la ngeke siyimele.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=1014.0,1065.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sathi, uyazi ukuthini la ukuthi umuntu alwe, ayilwise lemithetho ngoba ngeke phela uthole ukuthi awunalutho nje wena. Ngoba noma ungaba nemali uzothenga izitini bese unikwa imvume ukuthi ungakha, imvume leyo and umhlaba akusiwona owakho izitini ezakho uyabo. Izitini ezakho whatever okwakhayo, wakha into enhle isithabathaba kodwa izitini kuphela ezakho. Uma sewuhamba it’s either uyayibhidliza noma uyayidayisa. Futhi iye ihluphe ke ngoba kulezinto zethu zasemadolobheni mawuthenga into uyikhokhela uze ufe, ukhokhe eside isikhathi loku abathi i-bond ukhokha eside isikhathi uzuthi hayi kahleni man! Yile ekuthiwa yimali enentshebe, imali engapheli ulokhu ukhokhile nje uyabo. So, iyona ke impilo ebesiphila ngayo kodwa uma ngibuka nje yikho umndeni wasekhaya bewuhlakazekile nje kodwa bekukuhle ngoba uma ngifuna ukuya eGoli, kumnandi ke eGoli ngivakashele ubaba uRobert ngihambe ngiye eGoli.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=1065.0,1128.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ngifike kaMashu kababa uJaphet uyabo mawufuna ukuya lapho, la ufuna ukuya khona nje. Mina bengikhula kuleyo-environment. Nakuba ke sakhula kabuhlungu thina sisakhula because uma uzalwa uMfundisi nikhula kabuhlungu nje. 1 niyizingane zoMfundisi niyavaleleka, lento abathi confinement niba confined. Ubaba uhlala 2 years la mhlawumbe ake sithi njengala e-Morningside, bamshintshe bathini abefundisi njalo…kukhona lento ababethi i-policy. Ubaba wayenguMfundisi eBaptist Church, eBaptist kwakune missionary society. I-missionary society kwakungabelungu abaphethe i-missionary society eyayenza i-policy yabefundisi bonke abamhlophe nabamnyama. Abamhlophe bonke uhlala aze aguge ehleli endaweni eyodwa. Thina uMfundisi omnyama uhlala 2 years la asuswe ayohlala kwenye indawo kuthiwe useyahamba, uyayibona into yokuhamba ushintsha izindawo.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=1128.0,1188.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Into eyayibuhlungu ke ngaleyonto engayibona late ukuthi heyi, ufike uhlale endaweni usuwakhe ubungane usuyafunda lana ube nabangani ngesikhathi usubajwayela usuyasuswa usuya kwenye indawo, uqale phansi futhi. Uyazi ukwakha umngani kubuhlungu kanjani, uqale phansi isikole niyafunda, niyasonta nihamba u-Sunday School uyabo nihamba nasesontweni udlala nebhola sewazi ne-club. Ngesikhathi usuqala ukujwayela useyasuswa ubaba useyiswa le, uyayibona leyonto leyo. Enye into engathi hayi uyazi i-nonsense ke le ngeke ngiyimele ke lento. Kuhambe, kwahamba, kwahamba ngathi uyazi ukuthini ngizoyilwisa ke lento, lento ye-missionary society ne-via policy kukhona okwakuthiwa i-via policy. Uma ethole isipho uMfundisi asizi kuyena ngisho kungathiwa sibuya phesheya siqala kwi-missionary society basibheke simfanele yini…[uhleko]…bese siza kuyena uyabo. Uma singamfanele sizogcina ku-missionary society, ngoba ngiyakhumbula ukuthi ubaba wake wahamba ngebhayisikili.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=1188.0,1251.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ngabuza why ehamba ngebhayisikili abefundisi babelungu behamba ngezimoto. Wahamba ngesithuthuthu...and ke elokishini uyazi ukuthi uma nifunda elokishini nigwarana kanjani izingane la niyajovana nje. Manje mawuhamba ngebhayisikili ngeke ungawi mawuhamba ngebhayisikili, you bound ukuthi uwe ngoba uzoshibilika uwe. Manje mangabe  ke esikoleni mhlawumbe kuthiwe uwiswe ibhayisikili kuthiwe hawu ubaba wakho uwiswe ibhayisikili. Uyabona ukuthi lento ikuphatha kanjani mawufunda, uzwe ukuthi Ya man, yazi ukuthini... uthi uyakhuluma kuthiwe hayi thula wena ubaba wakho ubaba wakho uwiswe ibhayisikili uyabo, awuna-say ke lapho…[uhleko]…Eyi, uthole ukuthi umhlaba wakho usumncane whatever ofuna ukuthi ukusho uyabo. Kuthiwe nje ayikho into ozoyisho wena ubaba wakho uwiswe ibhayisikili, angithi awazi nokuwa kukababa wakho, kodwa manje lento isifaka wena uyabo.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=1251.0,1301.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Into yaselokishini, uyabo lento abathi i-bullying inama-forms amaningi uyabo…i-bullying yinto ekhona ukuthi 1 uwiswe ibhayisikili...abazi ukuthi lelibhayisikili limwise kwenzenjani. Angithi emgaqweni kukhona amabhasi kamasipala ane-oil kuyashibilika ngeke ungawi. But it becomes an issue nje mawufunda esikoleni. Ubaba angazi wawa kangaki ewiswa ibhayisikili eyi, ngize ngifike ekhaya ngithi hayi alihambe lelibhayisikili ngitshele umama. Ngithi mama, alihambe lelibhayisikili manje ngeke esikoleni angisakwazi ukukhuluma lutho nami ngoba kushiwo lento yokuthi ubaba wakho uwiswe ibhayisikili uyabona lento leyo wena Bhungane yilento leyo ephatha kabuhlungu. So, ezinye izinto uthola ukuthi nje mawuzibuka…ngiyazi ukuthi abantu abakholwayo bathi, “hayi thina siyakholwa nje” abazi ukuthi i-oppression ihamba kuwowonke ama-level ngisho enkolweni. Enkolweni kunengcindezelo nje ehleli la[ukhombisa ngesandla]. Uyabona kulempi yase Gaza e-Palestine kukhona abakhuluma umbhedo, “hayi mina ngihamba no-Israel”.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=1301.0,1357.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ngithi heyi, bayazizwa ukuthi bathini labantu? Sithi phela nayi indaba yase Palestine. “Hayi i-Palestine yani, singenaphi kumaJuda ingane ezalwa uHagari”. Ubone ukuthi oh, abayi-understand lento bathatha iBhayibheli njengoba linjalo bahlulwe uku-understander ukuthi lamaJuda lawa ala abulala abantu iZayoni zase-Israel azifani no-Abraham abantu ababili abahlukene. U-Abraham vele ukhokho wabo bonke. Ngiye ngizame ukuyichaza ke njengokomisa ukuthi ihamba kanje lento hayi uzwe ukuthi amakhanda aqinile, bona bayibambe la ukuthi sihamba no-Israel nje. Othinta u-Israel uthinta uJehova. Hayibo kahleni bo manje, hawu manje sithinta uJehova thina njengoba abantu…Ngize ngiyichaze ngithi bukani la, lento asiyibuke kanje ngoba umuntu uma umchazela ngento ekude akayizwa, yibeke la eduze... Uyabona la e-South Africa kunamaBhunu, kune Broderbund le ekade isicindezele no-AFRI forum yonke i-Broderbund eyamaBhunu, but not wonke amaBhunu ayi-Broderbund uyabo.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=1357.0,1425.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Yes, Ya.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=1425.0,1426.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: Athi oh! Ngithi ya injalo lento laba ababulala abantu laba i-Israel...Zionism i-Broderbund eyalapha. 2, njengoba kuyaliwa lapha ishawa ama- guerrilla lapha o-Hamas, o-Palestine, Liberation Force. Lama-guerrilla abashaya lapha…inkinga manje i-media ayisiniki iqiniso, ayisitsheli iqiniso ngoba i-media yala e-South Africa ibolile nje ayikho indaba yezintatheli. Kuqala ke ngangizizonda ke izintatheli uma ekhuluma umuntu ngithi hayi, hayi kahle, kahle ngoba ngizofike ngisho lokhu, ukhiphe lokhu uthi ngithe. Noma into engiyishoyo uhlephule uhhafu uthi lona uthe, bese uyafuna ukuphusha leyonto leyo…lento abayibiza i-narrative uyabo.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=1426.0,1467.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ngoba i-media ayisitsheli iqiniso abantu abazi kwenzekani. Omunye ba…bayamasha nami ngibakhona kwimashi, siye simashe…eyi bese ngimashe kaningi sesibuya eGoli e- Heidelberg siyomasha. Saba nemashi eThekwini, kwaba nemashi e-Portshepston, kwanemashi la e-Morningside sasingena la ku-Florida sawuvala. Safika lapha e-St James Park saya lapha edolobheni sihlale simasha nje. Kukhona owangibuza simasha sesiqedile ukumasha uthi, awungitshele Muntu simashelani? Ngithi hawu usujuluke umanzi kanje kanti awazi ukuthi umashelani? Kukhona abangazi ukuthi kumashelwani babona ngoba kuyamashwa nje uyabo, bayamasha uyabo, ubona ngabantu bayamasha nje uyabo.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=1467.0,1502.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Usifakile yini lesikhafu?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=1502.0,1503.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: Ufake nesikhafu yonke into ufake nesikhafu uthi simashelani…[uhleko]…Eyi ngabona ukuthi nayi inkinga kufuneka sifundise.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=1503.0,1511.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Wamuhabulisa yini?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=1511.0,1512.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: Hayi ngamuhabulisa, ngamlandela ngambekela, ngambekela namanye amaSulumane ayemasha amanye ayengazi nawo ayamasha nje nawo amashela ukuthi kubulawa izihlobo zawo kuphela nje. Ngabahabulisa nje bonke ngababiza ngathi wozani safike saxoxa ngathi bukani la, isuka la lento ngayilanda eBhayibhelini ngoba benza i-distortion yeBhayibheli bali-distorter bese befuna ukuzolifaka la. Kanti iBhayibheli it’s like a history book linezinto eziningi elikhuluma ngazo but umlando…that’s why even uJesu wayenomlando wokuthi uzalwa ubani. Manje wena ke mawungazi ukuthi uzalwa ubani kodwa uthi uyikholwa, ikholwa elinjani elingazi ukuthi lizalwa ubani? Aliwazi umlando walo uyabo, ngamuhabulisa ke ngamchazela ukuthi isuka la lento ihamba ithi, ithi. Wathi oh, kanti lento inje. Wathi ya, uyabona ke manje sengizomasha kakhulu ke. Ngathi ya, uqhubeke ngoba nami ngiyamasha ngoba makuthiwa imashi sonke siyangena.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=1512.0,1565.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Vele bakhona ke abantu abangamashi abanye abayibuka imashi bayibuke kanje…[ukhombisa ngemehlo] …Athi ngimasheleni mina bengazi ukuthi ena  ingcindezelo ngoba sesiyazi ukuba under apartheid. Lababantu abalapha ephalamende e-Palestine babesi-supporter i-Palestine Liberal Organization i-PLO. U-Yasser Arafat nje u-president wakhona nje wayehlale enoMandela even uMandela esephumile waya e-Palestine waba-addresser and wayeyi-supporter lapha u-Yasser Arafat nangama-resources hayi nje ngomlomo ukuthi hayi ngihamba nani. Phela kukhona laba abathi siyanibeka emthandazweni uyabo, kukhona laba abathi hayi lento yenu yinhle lento eniyenzayo siyanibeka emthandazweni, but umthandazo awanele …sibeke emthandazweni, yini oyenzayo to support.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=1565.0,1609.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So, ngiye ngithi mina i-PLO yayiyi-sister organization ne-ANC. Thina ke ngenhlanhla i-PLO siyayazi because sise-Angola ngo-1977 sisanda kufika…Siselapha e-Rwanda Engineering sahlangana nawo ama-guerrilla e-PLO angani besihlala nawo. U-Arafat uke wafika nje lapha ezo-addresser eyi ngajabula ukubona u-Arafat uyabo. Ngoba mina abantu emzabalazweni ababengama-hero ami nje ngaphandle kukaMandela ngisafika nje kupolitiki kwakungu-Arafat, kuwu-Fidel Castro wase-Cuba. Uyabona mawukhuluma ngalabo ngiyakulalela kodwa mawukhuluma ngabanye ngiyakuzwa nje ngithi hayi, nazi izinkalakatha awukhulume ngalezinkalakatha.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=1609.0,1652.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/55","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: U-Chekhov?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=1652.0,1653.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/56","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: U-Chekhov hawu kwakuyinkunzi ke phela leyo. Phela ukhumbule ukuthi ulayini ka Arafat no-Chekhov no...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=1653.0,1661.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/57","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"…ulayini owodwa uyabo nabobonke nje labo, ngikhuluma ngalabo ama-African Leaders nje. Nalaba ababulawa bebulawelwa ama-principles abo uyabo, bebulawelwa iqiniso nje.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=1661.0,1673.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/58","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: O-Lumumba?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=1673.0,1674.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/59","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: O-Patrice Lumumba bonke labo uyabo. And amaqhawe…ama-heroes ami lawo. Uma ngixoxa nje, mhlawumbe uma ngikuhabulisa nje mhlawumbe nje ubhala…kukhona legenge ebhalayo. Ngithi hawu ubhala ngani? Ubhala nge-Africa? Athi hayi ngibhala nge-friction nje. Bese uthi hayi mawubhala nge-friction angikuyeke ke, ayikho into engizokuhabulisa yona ubhala nge-friction. Uma ubhala nge non friction, noma ubhala nge-auto biography noma nge history ngiye ngikubeke ukuthi buka la nawa ama-writers ubofunda incwadi ebhalwe u-Emmanuel Macron. Hamba uyofunda u-…uyabo, ngimchazele ngithi uzowabona ama-African writers because ibona ababhali engithola ukuthi babhala into eyiqiniso and mabebhala bayakufundisa mabebhala nje. Ngesikhathi ufunda wena, uyafunda…you get educated uyafundiseka.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=1674.0,1720.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/60","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Inkinga abantu, kunabantu abangafundiseki. Hayi kunabantu abangafundiseki, ungafundisa itshe lifunde engakafundiseki yena ngoba abafundiseki abanye abantu. Uma umqondo wakhe umile. Angithi manje inkinga i-system yethu le ye-education, le-yeBantu education yasifundisa ukugwinya bese uyahlanza, uhlanze uthole ijazi. Manje umuntu uma egwinya wathola ijazi uye azibone ukuthi ufundile, yikho yayikwi-distance nje kubantu ngoba phela imfundo yakho mawufundile ungawusizi umphakathi i-useless leyomfundo. Ngangifunda ngedwa. Unamanga wawungafundi wedwa, lemali eyayikufundisa awazi ukuthi yayiphumaphi mhlawumbe kwakuyimali yamashonisa nje iqhamuka somewhere lemali. Mhlawumbe kunabantu abakade beku-supporter kodwa wena sewuthi ubufunda wedwa kodwa awuzifundisanga. Omunye athi wazifundisa yena.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=1720.0,1766.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/61","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ngake ngathi ngelinye ilanga sihamba siyolobola kuthiwa hayi lengane ifundile inamajazi angaka. Ngathi yimake, musani ukubala imali le kwilobolo sesikhokhela imfundo manje? Kwathiwa hay…Ngathi ngicela ukubuza, ngesikhathi ifunda sifuna ukubuza yona nje, ubusukhona yini u-NSFAS? Ngoba uma kukade kuno u-NSFAS leyamali iyona eyenza ukuthi afunde ungayifaki la kwilobola. Angithi mawulobola niya-negotiator? Bangibuza abanye, iyiphi yona i-NSFAS? Ngathi yile-bursary enikeza abafundi imali ukuthi bafunde, so ungathi uma umuntu efundile uthi ufundiswe yilayikhaya, bamfundisile layikhaya nimfundisile nibale lemali afunde ngayo ngoba imali yaka-NSFAS le. Kwathiwa hayi asazi singambiza. Ngathi ngicela nimbuze umbuzo owodwa nje ukuthi khathi efunda uwutholile yini u-NSFAS bayibiza intombazane, sama kwilobolo. Ngathi ngizocela ibuzwe imina ngoba ngiyayi-understander ngoba kubakhongi yimina ke engangiwungqo shishilizi, angithi kubakhona no-Chief negotiator…[uhleko]…","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=1766.0,1833.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/62","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Ya, umkhongi omkhulu.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=1833.0,1835.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/63","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: Umkhongi omkhulu ya. Hayi, siyibize intombazane umakoti lo esizomlobola. Hayi intombazane …hayi phela umuntu nimbiza ngomakoti mayeseshadile uyintombazane uma engakashadi.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=1835.0,1848.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/64","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Ya.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=1848.0,1848.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/65","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: Ntombazane ubufunda? Wafunda…ijazi…athi yebo injalo. Ngesikhathi ufunda uwutholile u-NSFAS? Wathi yebo. Ngathi hayi Siyabonga. Kwathiwa hayi as…ngathi hayi usevumile asimdedele akhululeke ngoba besifuna ukuthola lendaba ka-NSFAS uyabo, ngoba phela abantu bayathanda ukubala izinto ukuthi hayi simfundisile. Umuntu uma umfundisile, uma umkhulisile umsebenzi wakho ukumkhululisa ngeke ukubale, abanye abazali bayafuna ukuthi ngathi baya-investor uma befundisa ingane. Afune manje ingane ingasebenzi yenze izinto zayo, ikhokhele yena ngibondlile. Vele wamzala, umuntu mawumlethe emhlabeni kufuna umondle, ngeke ubale ukuthi wamondla hawu.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=1848.0,1885.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/66","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE:  ...[uhleko]...I-responsibility yakho.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=1885.0,1887.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/67","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: Exactly, exactly yikho sekukhona imali yesondlo kodwa asikuyeke lokho okunye nje lokho sisakhuluma ngathi","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=1887.0,1893.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/68","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Manje ke…ehhhe…Kodwa ke mhlawumbe asixoxe ngoba sesize sayithinta leya yasemzabalazweni.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=1893.0,1900.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/69","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: Mmmm…Ya","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=1900.0,1901.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/70","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE:  Wangena kanjani? The very first time, noma siqale…hayi asiqale kanje, i-political consciousness yaqala nini?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=1901.0,1913.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/71","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO:  Eyi! Umbuzo onzima ke loyo ngoba i-consciousness mayikungena awukwazi ukuthi iyangiqala manje ngoba ukube ube aware ukuthi hayi, lento eyenzekalayo…Uyabona njengami nje ngakhuliswa uMfundisi, sikhula sihamba u-Sunday School sisonta. Uyabona lento kade ngiyibuka esontweni yabantu abaningi, thina besisonta e-Baptist, yayibizwa iBantu Baptist Church okusho ukuthi i-Baptist yabantu, uyayizwa ukuthi eyabantu abamnyama iBantu. Kubekhona ekuthiwa i-Baptist Church efaka abelungu. Lento ngangilokhu ngiyibuka nje ngoba ngiyakhumbula mangibuza ugogo ngithi, gogo yini ndaba amasonto ethu ehluke elabelungu lihle. Kukhona i-Baptist eyayila ku-West Street eyayi la ku-Pixley Seme Street. Angithi sake saya khona kunomcimbi, eyi lihle isonto lakhona elabelungu lihlobisiwe/decoration…uyabona nje. Hayi uma kusontwa nje uyezwa kuyaculwa eyi! Ne-choir yakhona nje uyayizwa futhi igqoka kahle uyayizwa leyonto. Manje ngesikhathi…ngibuke bonke lobucwebecwebe obula.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=1913.0,1994.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/72","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hawu ufike elokishini isonto lethu, it’s just indlu nje ayinalutho. Ngithi mina hawu…ngithi kugogo, why thina lihluke isonto lethu nelabelungu kanti asikhonzi uNkulunkulu oyedwa uyayizwa leyonto. Athi ugogo hayi ungayibuzi leyonto ungalokhu ubuza…wawuba dismissed ke mawaukhuluma awulokhu mawubuza into. Uyabona lento ilokhu ingingena ngithi hayi kuhlukile nje okwethu. So, enye i-part ye-consciousness ukuthi you become conscious uma ubuza ngezinto ezithize kodwa ungekho aware ngoba manje mawubuzibuza awuzitholi izimpendulo. Kwase kuthi sikhula ke siyafunda ke, ngelishwa noma ngenhlanhla bengingafundi ngi…bengenza i-Physics ne-Maths. Igenge ye-Physics iye icabange ukuthi iyona ehlakaniphile, bacabanga leyonto which is false. And 2, besi-discourager ukwenza i-agriculture, bekuthiwa mawenza i-agriculture kushukuthi hayi uyisinayi uyabo, kanti i-agriculture umhlaba si-realiser late...We later realized ukuthi oh, njengoba silwela umhlaba nje amaBhunu awafuni sifunde i-agriculture afaka lento yokuthi singayithandi siyizonde i-agriculture uyabo.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=1994.0,2071.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/73","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Awufaka lowomoya. So, ngesikhathi sifunda ke kwaba nempi yase-Angola ka-1975 nempi yase-Mozambique ya-1974 i- Femoral. Sahamba saya kwi- Femoral sisebancane ke, siye e-Karisfontein. Uma sifika la e-Karisfontein salunywa izinja, amaBhunu adedela izinja salunywa izinja kwabalekwa kwawubusaphasapha salunywa izinja. So, wawuthi uma ulunywe yinja uya e-clinic ufike uboshwe kuthiwe bewu-free morally. Uboshelwani manje ngoba phela ubuye kwi-rally eyayi-organize(zwe) i-black consciousness, no-SASO, ne BBC. Ngaqala ngathi oh! Uyaboshwa la kushukuthi…thina u-Samora Machel besimthanda ke thina u-Samora. U-Samora Machel uyabo, njalo ubewu-Samora nje but bengachazi izinto eziningi ngoSamora besilalela i-radio Freedom. Yikho ngithi i-consciousness yami inama-level amaningi kukhona i-level yasekhaya neyasesontweni ye-aparthied nale ekade ngiyichaza ukuthi mayephiwe isipho kwenzekani. I-via policy nalento yokuba remove (vwa) nje uhlale u-remover nje uyabo, ugcina ungasekho...awukwazi ukuba settled endaweni eyodwa.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=2071.0,2140.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/74","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Mawufika endaweni enhle uthi eish, ngiyafisa singahambi la, two years seniyashintshwa uyabo that was a church part le yesonto. Kubekhona le yaselokishini ke nje izinto ezenzeka elokishini. Ngesikhathi silunywa izinja e-Karisfontein kukhona ababoshwa ukuthi balunywe izinja kade beye kwi-rally. Kwase kukhululeka i-Angola ngo-1975 ne-UNITA ne-FNLA nobani…no-NPLA noma singayi-understand kahle hle ngoba i-South Africa yayiveza u-Savimbi, Jonas Savimbi engathi…Simthanda ke thina u-Savimbi isosha uyabo elinentshebe ufake i-combat. Sithi uyabona la nayi indaba siyaya la. But kuthe ngo- 1976 ngesikhathi sekubulawa ama-students saqala sathi no, ayikho into esizoyenza asinayo i-option manje asisenayo i-option asihambe nathi siyofuna isibhamu sizohamba nathi sibulale amaBhunu ngoba abulala ama-students.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=2140.0,2202.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/75","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I-number yaqala yathi u-hundred, two hundred, five hundred yathi mayifika ku-seven hundred. Sathi no, sekufe seven hundred students. Sithi uma siyilandela ke into yakhona sithole ukuthi no, njengama-students asinayo i-option. Uma sibulawa ngokwamalungelo ethu kufuneka silwe futhi nanokuthi ke phela besi-belonger kuma-student bodies. Mina bengiyi-member ye SASM, South Africa Student Movement la eThekwini ngiphethe i-Chesterville, Claremont neLamont sihlangana nje sixoxe siyi-SASM. But kuthe uma sekuvela lento ye-Afrikaans ukuthi kuzoba ne-medium of instructions sathi no, no how can you funda i-Maths nge-Afrikaans. And apartheid laws…kuningi okwakwenziwa i-apartheid ngoba okunye besikubona uthole ukuthi siyabekezela nje. Kokunye uthole ukuthi eyi uyazi la something must be done. So, consciousness yayi-developer inama-level i-consciousness edolobheni kwakunezindawo zabelungu kuthiwa “whites only”, “nonwhites”. Ngisho ema-restaurant ubungathengi noma kukuphi, beku kukhona izindawo zokuthenga ekuthiwa eyabelungu, kuthenga abelungu la, la kuthenga abantu uyabo.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=2202.0,2272.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/76","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I remember nje kunesinye i-story kuthiwa kukhona Indiya elaboshwa libhukuda endaweni yabelungu. Uyabona i-North Beach yonke nje kusuka la mawuhamba ngo-West Street yonke i-North Beach eyabelungu, South Beach kungeyabantu. Njengoba isihlanganisiwe manje kodwa uyayibona ukuthi isekhona leyo-element ngendlela e-clean ngayo i-North Beach, ngendlela engcole ngayo i-South Beach uyabo. Kuthiwa Indiya labhukuda nje la e-North Beach ke, maliya e-court laboshwa ukuthi libhukude ebhishi labelungu, in a white area. Nezihlalo kukhona ezazibhalwa izihlalo zithi, nie blankes nie  izihlalo zabelungu, izihlalo zabantu nasepaki. Ibhunu belinifica nihleli endaweni ethi “whites only”, mhlawumbe niwu-3 nihleli esihlalweni sabelungu linishaye ngempama eyodwa nonke luthi rrrriiiiiii…ngempama liniphinde ngempama nisuke nibaleke ubone ukuthi ibuhlungu lento. Indiya kuthiwa ena labhukuda la ebhishi labelungu laboshwa.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=2272.0,2331.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/77","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Malifika e-court lithi ene licela ukubuza ukuthi yini igama le-ocean ebelikade libhukuda kulona/what’s the name of the ocean that I was swimming in? Kuthiwe Indian Ocean. Lithi I am an Indian so you can’t tell me that I can’t swim in the Indian Ocean, I can swim in the Indian Ocean. Kuthiwa laliwina kanjalo ke icala lakhona uyabona…[uhleko]…Indian Ocean akusangeni ukuthi indawo yabelungu. Uthi yena no, but it’s an Indian Ocean, lama lapho nje ukuthi Indian Ocean uyabo. So, yikho ngithi ama-levels e-consciousness inama-level amaningi, impilo esasiyiphila nalento yokuphatha ipasi sasiphatha ama-school pass sisebancane singakabi nawo amapasi. Uma ungasiphethe i-school pass wawubuzwa ukuthi ufunani edolobheni emini ngoba awukwazi ukuba edolobheni emini, ufunani edolobheni emini. Uyabona la eMakethe ku-Victoria kune-bridge, kwakuma ama-Black Jack lapha avimbe, mawuwela afune ukubona ukuthi uphethe ipasi ubone umuntu eshaya i-U turn kanti umuntu akaliphethe ipasi ubona ukuthi uzoboshwa uyabo.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=2331.0,2390.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/78","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Elokishini uma nihleli ebusuku nilele u-1 kungqongqoze amaphoyisa gqo! gqo! gqo! Ama-Black Jack. Mayefika nje, afuna into yokuqala i-house permit mhlawumbe kukhona ovakashile la usuka emakhaya isihlobo senu. Sibanibani babize igama Muntu Nxumalo ngala, Bhungane ngala, Phumlani ngala lo osele ongabhalwanga ufunani la aboshwe. Uyabona leyonto le impilo ebesiyiphila yikho masikhuluma nge-apartheid…lezingane zamanje aziyizwa lento zigcwele i-confusion ngeke ngizisole ke ukuthi azifundisekanga, abantu abangafundisekanga ngeke uba-blame (me), u-blamer umuntu ekukade kufuneka abafundise. Uyabona lempilo ekade siyiphila ukuthi siphila impilo engekho stable ukuthi la kufuneka ubekhona…mawuvakashile kufuneka uyo-reporter e-police station ukuthi uvakashile.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=2390.0,2440.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/79","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Lapha e-Chesterville bekukhona la kuthiwa ikaKito/Cator Manor kaKito. Uya kaKito uyo-reporter ukuthi kunobani usuka eNdwedwe, mhlawumbe ingane yakamalume esuka eNdwedwe kufuneka abhale ukuthi usuka eNdwedwe uvakashile uzohlala isikhathi esingakanani futhi. Awuhlali noma ikanjani uyayizwa leyonto, isikhathi esingaka. Sithe uma sesifunda nomlando we-apartheid sabona ukuthi eyi yimbi lento kwakuphathwa o-dompass ke uyabo hayi lama-ID lama-reference book...Hhhheee…Kukhona lokhu okuthiwa u-dompass ibiyinde kuyinto engaka[ukhombisa ngezandla]. And sathi masikhala sithi into enkulu kangaka kwathiwa hayi isincishisiwe kuqala yayinkulu ingaka[ukhombisa ngezandla] uyabona beyigaxa la njengesleti ibhalwe Somizi Hadebe waseNanda uzofuna umsebenzi, noma wakaNongoma uzofuna umsebenzi uhleli isikhathi esingaka.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=2440.0,2491.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/80","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Uma isi-expired (yile) lento ebhalwe la amaphoyisa ayifunda uyaboshwa, section 10. Uma usuboshwe kathathu uyasendwa, uyaxoshwa eThekwini ungaphinde ulubeke eThekwini uyabo. So, yonke leyompilo yayisi- conscientize (za) ukuthi hayi kahleni madoda kukhona into ekufuneka siyenze la/something needs to be done ukuthi ngeke siphile kanje unomphela nje khona into ekufunakala siyenze. So, ilento ke engithi mina lento abathi i-consciousness, that’s how I got conscientize ayiyona into eyodwa. Uyabona into uma uphila ngayo ekhaya, elokishini, edolobheni, esikoleni ubone ukuthi ...Hhheee…ngeke ayikho lento. Nalento ye-Radio Freedom esasiyilalela i-Radio Freedom.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=2491.0,2537.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/81","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Ubani oku-introducer kwi-Radio Freedom? Wayazi kanjani?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=2537.0,2541.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/82","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: Eyi, yayilalelwa kukhona umngani wami kuthiwa uSabelo wakaNgobese. USabelo Ngobese wayesekhulile kuthina wathi asilalele i-Radio Freedom no-Radio Zambia ise-Zambia, yayisese-Zambia ngalesosikhathi i-Radio Freedom. Siyilalela but ingene, ingangeni kahle ingezwakali kahle but uzwe ukuthi heyi, but this is the voice of the African National Congress. Kuthiwa no people can be oppressed forever, sithi ya njalo lento ngeke kube inomphela uyabo. Hayi siyilalele, siyilalele isho ukuthi we must take up arms, sithi hayi man siyeza, sithi siyeza la uyabo. So, zonke lezinto ezenzakalayo sesinayo i-solution ngoba abantu abamnyama babengavunyelwe ukungena kwi-army, kwi-SANDF babengangeni kwakungabelungu.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=2541.0,2584.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/83","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Emaphoyiseni i-rank yabo yayigcina kusayitsheni yayingadluli kusayitsheni, that’s why mawusayitsheni kuthiwa hawu sayitsheni usufikile. Usayitsheni wayewumuntu omkhulu uyabona nje kuthiwa usayitsheni.Ubone abanye bemkhomba usayitsheni ikhehla elidala kuthiwe usayitsheni lo kushukuthi inkunzimalanga uyabo, iyona rank enkulu. O-Major, Colonel, Lefthand, obani, o-Brigadier hayi...Hhheee...yayingekho kubantu abamnyama. Uma ungena nje ebuphoyiseni ungenela ukuba usayitsheni uyabo. Yonke lento siyi-questioner ukuthi njani sibe osayitsheni kuphela nangu umlungu, lomlungu uwu-General, lomlungu uwu-Brigadier, uMajor why thina siba osayitsheni. So, yonke leyonto yayisi- conscientizer uyabo, ukuvuleka kwamehlo ayevuleka ngezindlela eziningi, impilo oyiphilayo, la uhamba khona nabantu ophila nabo nje.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=2584.0,2634.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/84","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Manje u-Radio Freedom naniyilalela nikuphi?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=2634.0,2638.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/85","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO:  Elokishini phela sasivula i-short wave 2[akasazwakali ugwinya amazwi] kwakuno-short wave 2 sengikhohliwe ukuthi iwubani kodwa siyifune, siyifune ihohoza. Kuthiwe hamba, hamba kahle wemkhonto, wemkhonto…kukhala isibhamu. Sithi uyabona ke la, hayi siyeza la uyabo. So, iyona eyayisenza sishise sesifuna manje isibhamu ukuthi uma ngingathola isibhamu manje ngihambe ngidubule amabhunu. So, enye into eyayisi- conscientizer, so i-Radio Freedom yayikwazi ukuthi inyuse i-level yethu ye-understanding. Ngoba okunye kwase South Africa kwakungakhulunywa ngakho sasikuzwa kwi-Radio Freedom ukuthi kwenzekani e-Angola, kwenzekani e-Mozambique sasikuzwa kwi-Radio Freedom even e-Zambia ukuthi i-Zambia ikhululekile sokhululeka nini thina.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=2638.0,2685.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/86","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So, yiyo into eyayisigqugquzela isi- conscientize nje ukuthi…uyabo. And ke kukhona abantu akade be-underground be-ANC besebenza bekhipha ama-pamphlet nama-leaflets eyi-material athi umuntu yeyi, kunento ethize la ayifundayo. Uma eqeda ukuyifunda sishintshane nathi siyifunde uyabo, ubone ukuthi hayi man kukhona into ekhulunywayo la. Yikho ngithi ama-underground operators aka-ANC ayenza umsebenzi omningi in terms of reading bayiphatha i-material uyabo, bayiphathe i-material and eyenza siyifunde siqale sibe conscientize nathi sithi oh, nansi into efuneka yenzeke. So, i-consciousness yethu yayikuma level amaningi ngoba at a religious level yayikhona, at an education level yayikhona, social ekuhlaleni uyabo yonke nje indawo la uhamba khona. So, you had no option, yours was to make a decision ukuthi u-decider ukwenzani kulesimo esinje.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=2685.0,2744.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/87","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: So, ke in that time njengoba uqala ukuba involved kanje…ehhh…ama-SB ake afika kuwena?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=2744.0,2754.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/88","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ya, phela ukuze ngihambe la ngishiye i-country angithi ngangiyi-student leader. Ama-SBs ayesesifuna thina bese silokhu singama wanted. Ngihamba ngizophuma kwi-country ngangifunda eLamont High School. Ehhh…kukhona u-Miss, u-Mam Makhathini waye-political u-Mam wawungeke umbone, wayeyibeka ngokufihla nje lento uyabo. Uzwe ukuthi ene eyi lo-mam ubeke lento esiyizwa la kwi-Radio Freedom nalento esi…uyabo, but eyifihla u-Mam Makhathini wakhona u-Mam Makhathini. Ngaze ngazi late ukuthi oh, owaka-Johny Makhathini lo kade ewunobhala we-ANC.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=2754.0,2794.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/89","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Ya, ya…","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=2794.0,2795.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/90","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: U-General secretary waka-ANC. Wayesifundisa u-Mam Makhathini eyibeka lento uyabo. Kufike ama-SB ayefika lapha, angithi eLamonti inesitezi ama-floors awu-2, sathola ukuthi kunama-SB lapha afuna thina ngoba sasingama...it was just three of us ebesingama-student leaders. Ehhh…kwathiwa ena bazofuna u-Timothy Nxumalo, kwakune-intercom esikoleni isanda kufakwa. Timothy Nxumalo, Timothy Nxumalo uyafuneka e-office lika-principal. Manje thina bewungayi kwi-office ka-principal ungazi ufunelwani, uqale ubuze la ku-Mam, ngifunelwani Mam? Athi u-Mam hayi kunama-SB. Ngathi hayi uyabona la, ngeke ke esangithola.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=2795.0,2836.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/91","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Kusho yena u-Mam Makhathini?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=2836.0,2837.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/92","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ehhhe…u-Mam Makhathini ethi kunama-SB ayakufuna lapha. Haaa…ngathi ngizoboshwa ke la. Kwakunepayipi leli lamanzi, ngaphuma ngewindi ngashiya ngisho everything nezincwadi ngazishiya nje ngehla ngepayipi lamanzi e-back ngehla ngaze ngafika ezansi ngashaya ikhona. Ngashaya ikhona ngaya elokishini kanti mangifika ekhaya kuthiwa bekufike ama-SB ezokufuna la, hawu! Kuthiwe usesikoleni. Ngithi abezongifuna esikoleni. Ngaya kuSabela ngoba uSabela wayese Seventeen, ngathi yeyi Sabela. Wathi hambani, hambani niyafunwa ama-SB manje hambani. Wathi asiye kubaba u-Bill, kukhona u-Bill Bhengu owayengummeli legenge eyayi-underground, wasinika imali yokugibela. Nigibela isitimela nehle eGolela sidlula eMkhuze, babesibiza i-10/ 10 sasihamba ngo- (10;10).","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=2837.0,2887.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/93","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ebusuku?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=2887.0,2888.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/94","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ebusuku, ya niyogibela i-10/10 but ningahambi nifake i-uniform azonibopha amaphoyisa hambani nishintshe. Hayi, saphuthuma ekhaya kanti vele khona asebengilindile esiteshini uyabo, e-Durban Station. Kwathiwa mawufika esteshini uzofica uThemba Hubusha u-Cosbert ukulindile noStheni wakaNxumalo. UStheni ke wayeyisihlobo sami udadewabo kaMzala Nxumalo, base bengilindile vele babefunwa nabo uStheni beno-Cosbert ngoba bathi uGayo Nxumalo usehambi, uGayo uhambe last week afikile ama-SB kubo uhambile akasekho. kushukuthi njengoba esehambile inina esenifunwa manje amaSB, uma ufika e-Durban Station uzobabona nje oStheni, kunoStheni noCosbert Hubusha. Kwathiwa hamba uthathe izimpahla noma ungathatha izimpahla ezingcolile nje ozothi uma usufika ngaseMkhuze nishintshe ngoba sahamba phela sigqoke izimpahla. Wathi you must not be...ningaba formal manisuka la e-Durban Station but ningayifaki i-uniform ngoba ama-Sb ayanifuna.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=2888.0,2943.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/95","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Futhi ayefuna ama-students kakhulu, angithi it was during ama-uprisings ango-1976 kufunwa ama-students. Eyi, ngabafica ngampela ngahamba e-Durban Station ngilokhu ngizula lapha, ngiyabafica bahleli lapha kwenye indawo ngase-toilet bahleli babheke le ababhekile la kuqhamuka khona isitimela babheke la sidlula khona isitimela uyabona ukuthi bacashile. Ngabathola, bathi heyi kade sikulindile la angithi abengakabikhona ngisho nama-cell phone umuntu ubumfuna nje physically uhambe umfuna kuthiwe ula ezihlahleni, kufuneka umfune uze umthole ezihlahleni lezo yabo.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=2943.0,2976.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/96","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ngabathola nami ngiphethe ujosaka wami la nezimpahla zokushintsha, kanti bona angithi bafike kuqala bona. Kwathiwa unazo izimpahla zokushintsha? Ngathi ya nginazo base bethi hayi ku-right ke. So, sahamba kanjalo ke salinda, sahlala kwaze kwashaya u-10 wasebusuku sagibela esitimeleni besibiza u-10/10 lesositimela ngoba besihamba ngo-10;10 ebusuku siya eGolela. Kodwa kwakuthiwe manifika eMkhuze nishintshe nifake izimpahla ezingcolile ngoba ama-SB azongena, nangempela ayegcwele isitimela ama-SB. Yathi mayifika eMkhuze esteshini aphethe ama-album anezithombe, ngenhlanhla thina ayengenazo izithombe zethu.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=2976.0,3012.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/97","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ya nasheshe naphakama.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=3012.0,3014.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/98","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: Ya, ayengenazo izithombe zethu uyabo. Eyi, ya niyaphi? Besinalama","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=3014.0,3023.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/99","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"(angimuzwa uthini) story uma nihamba nizothi, hayi siya kamalume la oPhongolo kushoniwe kabani bani uyabo, sine-story ebesinaso nje. Avule i-album abheke abuke i-album abuke thina, ayabheka kwi-album uyabona alokhu ebheka, ebheka. Athi niyeqa nina. Sithi siyeqa siyaphi, aseqi thina siya kamalume kushoniwe. Ayibheke i-album yakhona ayibheke abone ukuthi hayi asikho kulezithombe lezi adlule, hheyi! Sithi Hhhuuu! Nayi lendaba, lempahla la uyabo…[uhleko]…sithi Hhhhuuu![uyakhwehlela]. Kushukuthi ngenhlanhla ngoba babengenazo izithombe zethu asikwazanga ukuthi siboshwe, ngoba ukube babenazo...babelokhu bebheka la.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=3023.0,3068.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/100","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Baphinda bafika before sifike eGolela babuya futhi, sathi no thina size eGolela la kushoniwe sibachazela ukuthi no, kuthiwe sizokwehla silandwe imoto. Bathi uma nike neqa sizonibamba lapha kwi-border. Sase sitsheliwe ke ukuthi sizohamba kanjani ngoba wafike wasi-briefer uSabela. USabela Ngobese uyena owayephethe ukuhamba kwethu yonke leyonto. Uma nihamba nizofika endaweni ethize usibanibani uzoninika imali...ozokhuluma endleleni anikhulumi nonke uma benibuza bathi niyaphi anikhulumi nonke kukhuluma usibanibani kuphela uyabo. Into sasi-briefed ukuthi into yethu isihlangene uyabo, nokuthi sesiyazi siyaphi kwenzenjani uyabo. So, kunaleyonto ke ukuthi manifika lapha eGolela esteshini nizongena e-restaurant nithenge lapha, niyathenga ngeke niphume la e-border nibuyele emuva uyabo.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=3068.0,3119.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/101","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Nibuye ngojantshi.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=3119.0,3120.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/102","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: Ya nibuye ngojantshi nibuyele emuva nigudle ujantshi, uma nigudla ujantshi nihlale mhlawumbe bese nihambe indawo about a kilometer nihlale lapho kunendawo eyisikhotha nihlale lapho nilinde ngoba kune-patrol. I-patrol i-patroller after isitimela, uma kufika isitimela iya-patroller iyahamba kuze kufike esinye isitimela manje i-patroller once. So, babenayo yonke leyo information benza i-reconnaissance. Ngoba ngesikhathi sesihleli la sababona abantu behamba lapha sebeyosithela kushukuthi yile-patroller yakhona e-patroller  abantu abeqayo, then ukuthi noqala nifike ku-Normans Land, then ku-Normans Land nifike eSwazini kaLavumisa uyabo, saze safika kaLavumisa.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=3120.0,3157.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/103","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Kusemini ke manje?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=3157.0,3159.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/104","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: Ya sekuyisekuseni, ya angithi sisuke ebusuku...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=3159.0,3161.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/105","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Nisuke ebusuku la.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=3161.0,3162.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/106","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: Ya, sekusekuseni. Uma sifika ekuseni lapha vele kule-route esihamba kuyona kukhona umfana okuthiwa uMabheyana angazi wakuphi kushukuthi uyena o-cross (sisa) abantu. Sithi sifuna i-transport eya kaLavumisa…sifuna ibhasi eya kaManzini, siseLavumisa esteshini. Athi sizomnika malini? Hawu! Wathi ngeke phela nginiyise kaManzini uma ninganginiki imali. Eyi, sihlanganise amasenti la simnike asihambise, kushukuthi lomfana wayenza imali umfana omncane nje uhlakaniphile…","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=3162.0,3197.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/107","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Hayi wayehlakaniphe over.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=3197.0,3198.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/108","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: Eyi, wayelayithile nje, uwelisa abantu la. Uma nifika nizonginika malini.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=3198.0,3205.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/109","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Manje nimthola kanjani yena?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=3205.0,3206.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/110","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: Hayi sahlangana naye accidentally nje kushukuthi umsebenzi wakhe. Uma sihamba sixoxa naye.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=3206.0,3210.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/111","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Uyanibona nina?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=3210.0,3212.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/112","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: Ya, uyabona ukuthi siyawela uyabo. Sithi, manje wena uwelisa abantu? Uthi, ya uma ungakhokhi angikuwelisi. Hawu! Sathi hawu kanti injalo lento uma ungakhokhi akakuwelisi, kusho ukuthi ungaze uboshwe lapho uyabo. Thina si-worried ukuthi singaboshwa si-cross (se) sifike e-bus stop kaManzini, I mean eLavumisa, eLavumisa sizothatha ibhasi eya kaManzini mase silapho sesi-safe. Nalapho amaSwati ayehambe esimisa lapho uma esibona, Majaha!","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=3212.0,3241.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/113","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Kodwa i-instruction nilokhu niyiphethe ukuthi…","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=3241.0,3243.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/114","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: Siyiphethe.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=3243.0,3244.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/115","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Uyi-one okhulumayo.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=3244.0,3245.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/116","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: Uyi-1 okhulumayo, i-password esinikwe yona ne-reply ikumuntu oyedwa not sonke. Uma sesifike kaManzini sizothola u-Mrs. Nduli, umka Joseph Nduli, Comrade Nduli. U-Mrs. Nduli usebenza ka-Danhands Furniture, uma sifika kaManzini sizohamba siye ka-Danhands edolobheni sifike sicele u-Mrs. Nduli. Uma sifika kuyena asisho ukuthi sawubona, sifike sithi ayihlome! Uyabo, i-password. Uma sithi sebephakathi, useyazi ke ukuthi obani labo. Awufike nje uthi sawubona ubuze impilo…Hhheee…Uyabo ngoba safika lapha safike sehla kaManzini safuna i-Danhands Furniture sabheka indawo sayithola i-Danhands sacella u-Mrs. Nduli sihamba siwu-3...Uma simthola u-Mrs. Nduli, eze umama Nduli uyabona nje umama nje kanti u-underground uyabo, ANC. Sathi ayihlome sebephakathi, kwacaca wasisa kuma-relevant contacts. Sahamba ke sayiswa ku-safe house yaka-ANC.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=3245.0,3306.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/117","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Wayeniyisa kubani?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=3306.0,3308.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/118","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO:  Wayesiyisa ku-Comrade uPhungula, u-Pass Four.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=3308.0,3310.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/119","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Pass Four.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=3310.0,3311.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/120","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: Mmmm…the late Pass Four, esiyisa kuPhungula.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=3311.0,3312.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/121","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Eyi madoda!","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=3312.0,3314.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/122","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: Ngoba wa-arranger kwafika imoto yasithatha saya kaManzini endlini ka-ANC. U-Pass Four wathi uwu-Pass Four nje wangazisho wathi uwu-Pass Four uyabo. Hawu, lelikhehla umuntu onjani lo okuthiwa u-Pass Four uyabo, kuthiwa u-Pass Four...[uhleko]... Akhiphe isinemfu uyabo, ushaya isinemfu wabhema, wabhema wafinya ngathi heyi, lelikhehla lishaya ugwayi wamakhala kuthiwa u-Pass Four kanti inkunzi ye-underground uyabo…[uhleko]…indaba kaPass Four...lelikhehla okuthiwa u-Pass Four hayi kuthiwe u-comrade uyabo, u-Pass Four. So, sayibamba lapho ukuthi u-Pass Four, size samazi sesibuyile ukuthi oh, u-Comrade Phungula lo abambiza u-Pass Four uyabo, futhi after mhlawumbe 2 years sesibuye koMozambique, Zambia, Angola…","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=3314.0,3367.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/123","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: No, siyaya lapho bhuti. Nahlala ke nala no Pass Four?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=3367.0,3369.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/124","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: No-Pass Four.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=3369.0,3370.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/125","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: No-Pass Four.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=3370.0,3372.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/126","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO:  Basithatha basiyisa ke kwi-safe house.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=3372.0,3374.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/127","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Uyaxoxa yini nani?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=3374.0,3377.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/128","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: Ya, uyaxoxa, ninjani? Kunjani ekhaya uyabo. Kusiza ukuthi oh, umuntu waka-ANC lo. Angithi umama lo, umama uNduli uyi-contact yethu...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=3377.0,3388.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/129","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Ya.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=3388.0,3388.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/130","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO:  Okusho ukuhti usekwi contact yaka-ANC nathi siyibambe, siyi-catch ukuthi hawu vele umuntu waka-ANC lo. Kodwa thina vele into esi-excited ngayo yilento yokuthi uwu-Pass Four, hawu Pass Four hawu igama elinjani lelo...[uhleko]...Ngoba sathi sesibuya sambuza ukuthi why uwu-Pass Four sesihleli naye ke manje sesibuyile athi, uzoshayelwa u-Pass Four...kushukuthi yena mayethi lomuntu uzoshayelwa u-Pass Four kusho ukuthi uzoba senkingeni lowomuntu. So, that was the meaning yegama or i-context yegama ukuthi uyabo uzoshayelwa u-Pass Four, ukuthi yayisukelaphi sasingazi ke uyabo. Mase esithathile ke u-Pass Four siye kwi-ANC safe house kaManzini. Endaweni okungathi akukho muntu kuvaliwe nje endlini kuvaliwe, safike sahlala khona ke. Sahlala, sadla kwaxoxwa nje kwafika abanye hawu sanibonani…","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=3388.0,3441.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/131","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Obani? Kufika bani?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=3441.0,3443.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/132","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO:  Hawu banama-code name bonke.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=3443.0,3445.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/133","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Ehhhe…","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=3445.0,3445.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/134","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kukhona ekuthiwa uMakhasana, and uMakhasana kungathi kwakuwu-Comrade uChiliza uma sengimbuka yilo okade eyi-ambassador...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=3445.0,3452.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/135","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE:  Ya","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=3452.0,3453.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/136","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: Uyena uMakhasana lo, angithi banamagama abo u-Pass Four oMakhasana bonke banamagama nje ahlukene uyabo. No-Jase, u-Jase konje kwakuthiwa ubani igama lakhe ababembiza...babebiza ngamagama nje ama-code name bonke. Hayi ke basixoxele ke nabo uma sixoxa ukuthi hayi kanje...sesifike ka ANC la so, sine-choice whether siyofunda noma siya empini. Sathi, hayi asiyi eskoleni kungathi kushiswa izikole ekhaya size kofunda la into esingayifuni, lento yesikole sasingayifuni. Kuthiwa asi-choose (ze) kuthiwa sibancane. Kukhona owathi nje hayi usemncane kakhulu wena kufuneka uye esikoleni. Ngathi no, angiyi esikoleni, ngathi nje angiyi.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=3453.0,3491.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/137","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So, sixoxa leyonto yokuthi no, uya esikoleni noma uya empini. Empini manje kufuneka amadoda aqinile, ngithi nami ngiyindoda eqinile...Hayi ngizofike ngiqine khona uyabo. Basibekela ke i-history ka ANC ukuthi njengoba nilana…basibuza ne-contact sathi hayi sithunywe u... sithinte uSabela Ngobese. Kwathiwa nimthintile u-Bill? Ya u-Bill Bhengu imina engalanda imali kuyena ama-contacts, bayazi bona. Bathi bayasibuza nje sixoxe nje sizixoxele ukuthi hayi kuhamba kanje, kanje. Because sezwa late sesiseSwazini ukuthi waboshwa u-Bill Bhengu uyabo, eboshwa ama-SB. Ukuthi uboshwa kanjani asazi because thina safika wasinika imali sahamba, wayengummeli phela noma mhlawumbe i-office lakhe. And 2 kwase kuboshwe noMdluli waseLamonti.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=3491.0,3543.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/138","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: UMkhuthuzi?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=3543.0,3543.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/139","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: UMkhuthuzi wayedayisa, thina besingazi ukuthi uMkhuthuzi u-underground, uMkhuthuzi uyadayisa uhlale ephethe into okungathi iyi-suitcase avule la kuze abantu kuyena, axoxe nabo bathenge. Abantu ulokhu exoxa nabo kanti ubanikeza i-information ukuthi hambani niye la, nala uyabo. So, thina sazi ukuthi uMkhuthuzi uboshiwe, bambulala ke uMkhuthuzi.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=3543.0,3564.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/140","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Nina Nizwa niseSwazini nina.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=3564.0,3566.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/141","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: SiseSwazini ya, sesiyithola eSwazini. Angithi eSwazini vele i-RSA ibingena vele i-Radio South Africa, ibingena nama-news nje siwathola eSwazini ukuthi kwenzeka lokhu e-South Africa. Thina sibe worried ukuthi u-Bill uboshwa kanjani ngoba phela thina…ngize ngithi mina wafike wanginika imali kuphela ngahamba mina.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=3566.0,3584.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/142","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Mmmm...Nasendleleni anikaze nili-divulge igama lakhe?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=3584.0,3586.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/143","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: Hhheee…asi-divulge (janga). Phela le-information onikwa yona eyakho wedwa yiko kuthiwa anikhulumi nonke kukhona okhulumayo, nangu ozokhuluma. Mina mangiphethe imali ngifana no-treasurer, nangu ophethe imali. O-responsible for environment ukuthi uma senifika endaweni ukuthi kufanele nenze njani, nishintshe izimpahla nikhumule, nangu o-responsible uyabo. So, sasinalawo…sasinalawoma-duties sisuka nje uyabo, not noma ubani wenza noma yini wonke umuntu wenza umsebenzi wakhe.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=3586.0,3619.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/144","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ngoba ngiyakhumbula sathi sesizofika eMkhuze sekuthiwa sesizofika eMkhuze sekufuneka sishintshe izimpahla sikhumule sifake ama-overal sibe shabby nje nami ngizifakele enye ikotoyi nje uyabo nje engathi uyinyoni. Uyabo, ngigqoke njengenyoni nami kungabonakali ukuthi usuka elokishini uzigqokele nje uyabo. No-Cosbert ezigqokele izinto zakhe nje uyabo, efake izicathulo eziwu-size oyi-one but ezingafani uyabo. Ungabi suspicious uyabo ngoba amaphoyisa ayevutha. Kodwa wonke umuntu wayene-responsibility yakhe ukuthi lo wenza lokhu, lo wenza lokhu.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=3619.0,3658.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/145","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Niyalingana yini nalaba age wise?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=3658.0,3662.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/146","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: Sicishe silingane but angithi siyi-generation eyodwa, mhlawumbe sishiyana ngo-2 years.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=3662.0,3665.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/147","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Ohho.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=3665.0,3666.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/148","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: Umuntu owayemdala kithina kwakuwu-Cosbert. Ya, wayemdala kwakungu Cosbert Hubusha uThemba wakaHubushe mina ngiphakathi nendawo mina, uStheni Nxumalo abe mncane. Ngoba uStheni uma sesifika eSwazini kukhona umfowabo…wayeyi-twin ke uStheni.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=3666.0,3683.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/149","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Oh!","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=3683.0,3683.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/150","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: Uyabo wayeyi-twin. UJabulani kwakufuneka simbheke wayefunda eMansapho esikoleni, kufuna sihambe siye eMansapho siyo…Yathi i-ANC no, anikwazi ukuhamba niye eMansapho. Sathi siyofuna uJabulani. Kwathiwa kuzohamba uStheni kuphela akhulume naye. Sithi no, sizo-crosser naye uJabulani sesiplane leyonto, kwathiwa akusebenzi kanjalo uya-recruiter awumane nje u-cross (e)…[uhleko]…sesingabhala ne-biography. Thina besazi ukuthi mawu-crosser uvele uhambe nje uyabo. Kwathiwa no, uya-recruiter one, two uyaqala u-checkwe njengoba sasihleli nje kulendlu ngoba sahlala nje amaviki ambalwanyana angisakhumbuli ukuthi how many weeks but sasibhala nama-biography.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=3683.0,3726.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/151","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ubhale ukuthi uwubani, usukaphi uyabona ipolitiki uyaze kanjani sibhala ama-biography singazi siwabhalelani ama-biography kanti naseMozambique sizofike sibhale i-biography futhi. Nase-Zambia sifike sibhale enye i-biography futhi, nase-Angola. Angithi saze late ukuthi hawu, sabhala into eyodwa nje thina sesicikwa ukulokhu sibhalana nento eyodwa. Sibuze why sibhala lento ngoba siyibhalile endaweni ethize? Kuthiwe hayi i-ANC uyayifuna lena eyala bengafuni ukusitshela ukuthi kanti lena vele ifuna uku-checker ukuthi i-biography oyibhale eSwazini nase-Zambia iyefana yini.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=3726.0,3762.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/152","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ngoba uma ingafani sekuzoba nama-question amaningi kushukuthi uwumdlwembe uthunywe amaBhunu. Ngoba uzofike ubhele ngala uqambe amanga, uqambe amanga singazi ukuthi ama-biography bayawahambisa kune-machinery yakhona yama-biography uyabo. Thina sazi ukuthi sibhala into eyodwa, ulokhu ubhalana nento eyodwa ize ikucike leyonto uzobhala ukuthini manje? Ngibhalile lapha ngihambe ngibhala uyabo. So, sithole late ukuthi ama-biography...sesifike enkambini ngoba nasenkambini ufike ubhale i-biography futhi. Ku-transit camp ubhala i-biography yase-Ruanda lapha Engineering, i-Engineering beyinkulu ke inkambi enkulu ilingana ne-Morningside yonke nje.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=3762.0,3796.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/153","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Hayi sizobuya lapho. UStheni ke ahambe aye esikoleni ayofuna u-twin brother.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=3796.0,3800.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/154","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: Ahambe uStheni. Uma esebuya uSthe angasitsheli, sithi hawu manje zithini, angasitsheli athi no akukhulunywa kuthiwa...satshelwa ukuthi akukhulunywa, akubuzwa futhi Hawu…[uhleko]…Mmmm…sihambe sixoxa indlela yonke manje asibuzani. Kuthiwa...Hhheee…akubuzwa nje saphelela lapho nje. Akubuzwa, ngoba sasizojoyina uMkhonto Wesizwe kuthiwa akubuzwa eMkhontweni, kwakunaleyonto nje kuthiwa akubuzwa eMkhontweni. Awubuzi ukuthi la why kunje, ubheka lento othunywe yona kuphela awubuzi enye, eyomunye umuntu awuhlangene nayo, ngisho umuntu umazi, ngisho kungowakini niphambana kanje naye[ukhombisa ngezandla] Uthi hawu owasekhaya lo, ngeke uthi heyi sawubona sibanibani ngoba amagama siyawashintsha, angithi ninikwa amagama, ninikwa amagama amasha.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=3800.0,3851.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/155","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Nina…wena walithola nini igama? Nina nje?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=3851.0,3853.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/156","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO:  Hawu sawathola eSwazini amagama okuqala nje, but masifika eMozambique sathola amanye.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=3853.0,3858.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/157","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Nisahlezi la kwi-safe house.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=3858.0,3859.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/158","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: Ya sisahlezi nje la kwi-safe house sinamanye amagama.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=3859.0,3859.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/159","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Oh, waba ubani?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=3859.0,3861.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/160","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO:  Ngangiwu-Philipp Khuzwayo. Ngahamba uma ngifika eMozambique…","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=3861.0,3866.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/161","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Wanikezwa ubani, ubani owakunikeza igama?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=3866.0,3868.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/162","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: Ngalinikezwa uMakhasana, uyena owasinika uMakhasana wathi wena uwu-Phillip Khuzwayo. Angithi igama ubuye ulikhohlwe uphinde umbize umuntu ngegama lakhe...uthi hayi, hayi musa ukumbiza ngalelogama uyabo nje sikhumbuzane ngoba angithi asiwajwayele…igama ongalijwayele uyalikhohlwa uyabo. Ya, uyabo leyonto…[uhleko]…lifuna uze ulijwayele uyabo, futhi simbalwa siwu-3 nje kuphela uyabo. Uma kufika abanye niyahanjiswa ningahlangani, uma kufika abanye niyahanjiswa. But sesi...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=3868.0,3894.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/163","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Oh, ningahlangani nalaba abafikayo.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=3894.0,3896.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/164","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: Hhheee…aningahlanganiswa nalaba abafikayo uyabo, saqala ne-training, the inside training, the in-house training uphethe isibhamu. Eyi nasi isibhamu ne-pistol i-makarov le …","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=3896.0,3906.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/165","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Oh, ok.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=3906.0,3907.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/166","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: I-TT le eyi! Sijabule thina sithi sifuna isibhamu esizofike sihambe naso siyekhaya siyoshaya amabhunu…","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=3907.0,3912.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/167","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Ubani onifundisayo lapha?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=3912.0,3914.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/168","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: Kwakufika ama-instructor ahlukene, awutshelwa ke ukuthi ubani i-instructor awazi ukuthi ubani i-instructor. Ufika nje angene la…angithi nihleli lapha, njengoba nihleli nine-program eyaziwa ibona aniyazi nina i-program nihleli nje.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=3914.0,3926.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/169","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Nibona sekungena umuntu nje.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=3926.0,3927.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/170","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: Kungena umuntu and azisho umuntu amane asho igama eningalazi nje ubone ukuthi hayi la, ngoba sabona ukuthi lana kunamagama ama-legend, ama-false names uyabona or ama…","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=3927.0,3938.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/171","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"...names. Kungene umuntu…ehhh…sanibonani…ehhh…mina ngizokwenza 1, 2, 3, 4 afundise…sajabula mhla sibona i-AK47, uyabona i-AK.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=3938.0,3952.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/172","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Manje ke esokuqala isibhamu bafika ne- Makarova.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=3952.0,3955.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/173","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: Makarova ne-TT.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=3955.0,3959.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/174","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: I-TT isifika nomunye?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=3959.0,3960.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/175","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: Yebo isifika nomunye.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=3960.0,3962.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/176","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Ok. So, ke manje ngalesikhathi beninikeza le Makarova bathini ngayo?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=3962.0,3965.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/177","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: Bachaza phela i-Makarova le it’s a Russian made weapon …but I history ye-Makarova nje ino-1, 2, 3...isebenza kanje, kanje, kanje kuqalwa nge-theory yakhona. Uyabona like a creche course, nokuthi mawuyiqaqa uyiqaqa kanje uyi-dissemble (mblisha) uyikhipha kanje. Eyi nathi sifunde la uyabo...[akazwakali]...dissamble (mblishe)...izinhlamvu uzifaka kanje, udubula kanje uyabo eyi sijabule ke thina. Kanti kukhona omunye ofike anixoxele i-history ka-ANC nje. Eyi sibhoreke sithi hayi uzosibhora ke lona...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=3965.0,3999.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/178","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Nifuna i-action nina.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=3999.0,4001.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/179","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO:  Sifuna i-action thina sizolwa la asifune yonke lento, yonke lento ositshela yona siyayizwa nje asinayo inkinga yayo kodwa sizolwa thina la uyabo. And i-thinking yethu uma sesiqede la siya ekhaya nesibhamu siyoshaya amabhunu uyabo. Ya sifuna leyonto nje kuphela lokhu okunye nje siyakuzwa nje uyabo, kufika abantu abahlukene. Eyi uma sekuzofika...kushukuthi uma sekuthiwa asihambe...oh, kwafika u-Comrade Duma, kukhona okuthiwa u-Comrade Duma owashawa ibhomu, uyamkhumbula uDuma?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=4001.0,4028.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/180","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Ya ngiyamkhumbula.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=4028.0,4030.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/181","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: UDuma wafika esezosilanda kuphela, asitshelwa futhi ngoba kuthiwa akubuzwa la siyathathwa singena emotweni siyahamba ukuthi siyaphi, asazi kuhanjwe ke.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=4030.0,4041.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/182","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE:  Izimpahla zenu nisaziphethe?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=4041.0,4043.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/183","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: Ya, niyatshelwa ukuthi phathani izimpahla zenu, ya niyatshelwa ukuthi phathani izimpahla zenu kanti kukhona abafikayo uyabo. So, kwakunama-safe houses uma kufika enye i-group, ihambe enye i-group. Kufike enye i-group ihambe enye i-group.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=4043.0,4054.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/184","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE:  Niphekelwa ubani?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=4054.0,4056.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/185","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO:  Hayi siyaziphekela la.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=4056.0,4056.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/186","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Oh.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=4056.0,4058.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/187","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: Siyaziphekela nje, sasiziphekela. Angithi vele uma senifika ebusosheni niyaziphekela ngoba...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=4058.0,4065.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/188","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Cha phela nina angithi vele nina...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=4065.0,4066.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/189","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: Sisafika thina.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=4066.0,4067.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/190","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Ehhhe. So, bafika","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=4067.0,4068.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/191","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: Safika saba bathathu.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=4068.0,4070.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/192","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Laba abafikayo bafika at any time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=4070.0,4072.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/193","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: Ya, futhi abanifici. Nihlala isikhathi esithize nihambe kufike abanye.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=4072.0,4078.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/194","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Sengi...cha sengisho laba abazonihabulisa.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=4078.0,4082.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/195","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: Makufika abazosihabu....","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=4082.0,4083.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/196","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Bafika at any time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=4083.0,4084.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/197","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO:  Anytime anitshelwa ukuthi bazofika nini...mhlawumbe sekufike usibanibani azisho igama. Hayi sibone ukuthi hayo akulona igama lakhe lo. Sesiyibambile ngoba lento vele asisebenzisi amagama ethu, sesiyibambe lapho ukuthi vele nje lomuntu uyabo. Thina besibuye siwakhohlwe ke lawa awethu esinikwe wona sikhumbule lawa angempela uyabo. Heyi, kambe ngiwu-Phillip Khuzwayo angiyena uMuntu uyabo, naye...hayi angiyena uMuntu uyabo ngiwusibanibani uyabo. So, kwafika u-Comrade uDuma lo owashawa yi-bomb, i-letter bomb wasithatha sahamba anibuzi niyaphi nithatha izimpahla zenu niyahamba.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=4084.0,4126.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/198","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Uyena odrayivayo?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=4126.0,4127.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/199","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO:  Ya. Manje thina sithi ene...thina sicabanga ukuthi mhlawumbe sesiya ekhaya angithi sesifundiswe isibhamu ne-AK sesiya ekhaya.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=4127.0,4134.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/200","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: So, ke owafika ne-AK ubani?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=4134.0,4137.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/201","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: Hayi wazisho wayenelinye igama nje abanye amagama alapha...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=4137.0,4140.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/202","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Manje ngesikhathi efika nabona yini ukuthi i-AK le?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=4140.0,4143.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/203","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: Phela sasinaso isithombe se-AK","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=4143.0,4144.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/204","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Ya.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=4144.0,4145.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/205","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: Sinaso isithombe se-AK, uyasichaza ukuthi uyabona lesibhamu lesi i-Alexandra Karnerlikof. Wafika ne-AK47 ene-folding part wathi uyabona le-folding part uyayi-folder noma ufake ibhantshi ayibonakali uyigaxe la[ukhombisa ngesandla]. Kufanele uyigaxe ka i-folding part ayibonakali kungathi uzogqokele uyabo. Hayi thina sijahe lezibhamu vele ilezibhamu esizifunayo lezi ezinkulu. So, uma sesihamba sithi hayi mhlawumbe sesiya ekhaya sebeyosinika izibhamu zethu endleleni uyabo, kanti asibuzanga elangeni sisaya eMozambique uyabo. Sabona sidlula e-Namaacha border gate uyabo, sangena e-Namaacha manje...ngoba kuthiwa akubuzwa phela. Sayibona 442 kilometers to Mozambique Haaa! I mean to Maputo.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=4145.0,4192.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/206","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: To Maputo ya.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=4192.0,4193.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/207","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: Heyi, heyi sadlula Boane kwenye inkambi ye-Frelimo 3 bani, bani, uyabo...320 kilometers to Maputo. Oh, sesiya eMaputo siyibambe lapho nje sibuka ama-signs awutshelwa lutho la uyabo. Eyi, ubone ukuthi uyabona la siphila enye impilo la saze safika ke eMaputo safika ku-transit camp, sezwa ngomsindo ukuthi ama-South Africans kunomsindo wala! Wala! walaaa...umsindo nje uyabo, mhlawumbe kwakuyi-break uyabo.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=4193.0,4225.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/208","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ngiyaxakeka hawu, abanye bakhuluma isiSotho abanye isiZulu uyabo manje into eyayi-striker sesifika eMozambique sibona amasosha e-Frelimo akhuluma isiPutukezi awasazi isiZulu. Thina sithi umuntu omnyama onjani ongakwazi ukukhuluma isiZulu, thina asikucabangi lokho ukuthi hawu kukhona umuntu omnyama ongasazi isiZulu. Hawu, lomuntu akasazi isiZulu kodwa uwu-darkie, sithi u-darkie wangempela lo ongasazi isiZulu uyabo, siyabuza. U-darkie lo akasazi isiZulu, u-darkie onjani loyo...[uhleko]...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=4225.0,4255.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/209","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Naniseyizintwana kodwa.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=4255.0,4257.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/210","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: Thina angithi i-thinking yethu...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=4257.0,4258.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/211","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Nisayizintwana bhuti","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=4258.0,4259.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/212","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: Thina siphuma esikoleni sibancane sifuna ukuzolwa thina la uyabo, manje lokukhuluma...[ukhuluma olunye ulimi]...Sithi heyi mfowethu kunjani, avele akubuke nje umuntu wakhona. Wena outie uwubani uyabo. Ewu, akezwa. Athi no Comrade Nde...Hawu, uyabo akezwa. Hawu lona umuntu omnyama lo, sithi uyabona ukuthi u-darkie lo akasazi isiZulu uyabo, singayi-understand leyonto...[uhleko]...ukuthi kukhona muntu omnyama ongasazi isiZulu uyabona. Thina sihlala la eNatali, i- confinement yethu ise-Natali, mawuya eGoli uyavakasha nesiSotho akasazi ukhuluma olunye ulimi nje and u-darkie uyabo, sekunaleyonto leyo. Umuntu onjani omnyama ongasazi isiZulu akazi ngisho isiSotho umuntu omnyama kodwa uyabo. So, enye i-experience yethu esihambe siyithola endleleni sithi hayi la kukhulunywa isiPutukezi la nesiShangane manje nathi asisazi ke isiShangane sesiyashayeka uyabo.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=4259.0,4315.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/213","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Manje wena awusamkhumbuli noSoshangane ninoStheni.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=4315.0,4318.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/214","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO:  No, phela angithi i-history...ngingathini...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=4318.0,4320.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/215","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Kodwa phela lento nina seniyithola after nani.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=4320.0,4322.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/216","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: Siyithola after nathi sesibona ukuthi Hhheee...lana i-language ekhulunywayo isiPutukezi neSpanish kukhona ababekhuluma iSpanish. Wonke nje ama-Cuban akhuluma iSpanish, iSpanish nesiPutukezi sisondelene sifana nesiZulu nesiXhosa nesiSwati amagama akhona lapho nje uyabo.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=4322.0,4339.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/217","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Nifike ke la e-transit camp.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=4339.0,4342.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/218","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: Ya.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=4342.0,4343.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/219","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Kunalomsindo.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=4343.0,4344.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/220","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO:  Eyi, kunalomsindo uyabona nathi sithi ya, kunamagenge asekhaya la. Sifike nakhona anifike nje ningene elokhuzaneni. Nifike nihlaliswe somewhere kukhulunywe ukuthi kukhona ozofika azon...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=4344.0,4356.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/221","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Manje ngalesikhathi nihamba la bayanibona yini laba abanye ngesikhathi nehla emotweni?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=4356.0,4363.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/222","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: Hhheee...imoto ingena ngaphakathi kwi-transit camp.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=4363.0,4367.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/223","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Ohho.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=4367.0,4367.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/224","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ya, ingena ngaphakathi kwi-transit camp kukhona la ifike ipake khona nehle. Kuplaniwe nendlela enehla ngayo. Thina sizwe ngomsindo ukuthi ama-South Africans...anomsindo ke ama-South Africans ngoba la ekhona kunomsimdo helelele! Uthi uyabo la igenge yasekhaya lena, thina sicabanga ukuthi sesiya ekhaya uma sisuka la emqondweni wethu sinaleyonto.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=4367.0,4388.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/225","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Banifaka endlini?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=4388.0,4389.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/226","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: Basifaka endlini kwafika ozosibingelela.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=4389.0,4393.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/227","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: U-Comrade uDuma.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=4393.0,4395.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/228","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: Hayi akasekho uDuma ufike wasishiya nje wahamba. Angithi la kuthiwa akubuzwa, sitsheliwe ukuthi akubuzwa la ubheka into onikwe yona kuphela noDuma asimbuzanga uyabo. Wazisho nje wathi uwu...kodwa kukhona igama alisho nje kodwa igama elingezwakali uyabo. Manje sesiyibambile ukuthi vele lana kunamagama vele uyabo embombayi. Ufike unikwe igama nje elithile, nathi sinamagama embombayi ethu wonke umuntu unegama lembombayi akekho umuntu esizomazi ukuthi uwubani.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=4395.0,4424.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/229","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Nokuthi lento yayenziwelani sasingayi-understand, sayi-understander late ukuthi oh kwenzelwa ukuthi amabhunu uma ekubamba uthi ubone Pass Four, ubuno Pass Four bona ngeke baze...bona bazi uPhungula wena wazi u-Pass Four. Ehhhe...ubunoMakhasana kanti uChiliza uyabo. So, kunaleyonto ukuthi oh, for underground purposes sayi-understander late lento ukuthi no, it’s for underground purposes akushiwo ama-real names but nathi sayibamba kanjalo nje ukuthi hayi sesiyayi-understander. But manje those are getting experiences, thina sifuna ukuya ekhaya siyolwa ekhaya sijahe lokho thina.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=4424.0,4461.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/230","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Nafike nahlala ke la erumini?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=4461.0,4463.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/231","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: Sahlala lana ke sabhaliswa amagama ethu, sabhalisa kwase kuthiwa sizoba ne interview sizobhala i-biography. Sithi no, siyibhalile eSwazini kwathiwa...Hhheee...eyaseSwazini nizobhala eyala. Oh! Hayi ke basithatha basi-integrator I think sasi...kwase kuzoba i-lunch ngalesosikhathi sanikwa amagama ke futhi nalapho...manje unikwe elinye igama nala kufanele uthole elinye igama eish, amagama owajwayele. Sanikwa amagama hayi, satshelwa ukuthi kuyafundwa la kunama-class.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=4463.0,4502.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/232","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Waba ubani wena?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=4502.0,4505.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/233","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: Ngaba uKatusha lapha.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=4505.0,4508.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/234","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Ngoba usuyiPutukezi impela manje.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=4508.0,4510.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/235","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: Ehhhe...sengiyiPutukezi futhi vele ngangifuna igama lesiPutukezi uyabo, ngangithi ngizoba uSamora Machel kwathiwa no, uyabo sengiyiPutukezi manje. But not amagama esiPutukezi sonke amagama nje uyanikwa igama. Uma sebenilokhuzile la...banibiza nga- one by one for interview beni- integrator niyiswe nje kwi-class kuthiwe hayi kukhona ama-comrade afikile akushiwo ukuthi ubani nobani mase kuyenziwa ke kuyangenwa kuyafundwa ke.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=4510.0,4539.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/236","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Ni-interviewer ubani? Wa-interviewer ubani? Ukhumbule bhuti ukuthi njengamanje kufanele sikuthathe nje step by step, we are taking you back to the memory lane.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=4539.0,4550.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/237","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: Eyi!","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=4550.0,4551.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/238","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Ubani owayeku-interviewer?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=4551.0,4552.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/239","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: No, angithi awu-interviewer umuntu oyedwa abantu abahlukile, kufika lo...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=4552.0,4556.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/240","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Oh.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=4556.0,4557.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/241","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: Uyabo, abhale lapha angithi thina asiyi-understand i-purpose ye-interview ngoba kufike kuthiwe bhala i-biography uyibhale, uyibhale, uyibhale wena uyabo bese uyayilokhuza ke...bese kufika abantu abazoni-interviewer. Bese uyibhalile i-biography yakho, lo oyi-interviewer abuke i-biography yakho le ukuthi lento oyikhulumayo kwi-biography...ahambe kufike omunye uyabo. Since thina sasingayi-understand i-purpose yakhona...thina sasicikeka nje ukuthi ubhala into eyodwa futhi ubuzwa into eyodwa uyabo, sicikwa yileyonto ukuthi hawu lento engiyishilo eSwazini...singazi ukuthi kanti kukhona abantu abasho enye into eSwazini asho enye into la.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=4557.0,4595.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/242","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ya, hayi yayilapho ke lento yakhona uyabo. Abanye babengama-commander ethu lapha enkambini, kukhona okwakuthiwa u-Dan, u-Dan wayewu-camp commander angithi i-transit camp. Kwi-transit camp i-advantage ke nithatha i-break nihambe nishawe umoya nibuye niziyele edolobheni nje kodwa aniyi kude uyabo, niya-mover. Akufani nalapha ko-safe house lapha ebenihleli khona endlini ningayi ndawo. Kufike umuntu, ahambe kufike umuntu...aniphumi nina. Hawu saphuma sesihamba, uStheni kuphela owahamba eyofuna uDumisani naye i-twin lakhe waphinde wabuya futhi wangasitshela ukuthi kuthiweni. But ke la e-transit camp seniyahlukaniswa ke futhi anihleli njengoba nifike nobathathu...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=4595.0,4636.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/243","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Ya, ya.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=4636.0,4637.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/244","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: Ya, niyahlukaniswa amatende enu ahlukene niya-mixer (kswa) nje. Hayi ngoba ufike nalo senizohlala nolokhuzana uyabo. Because I remember if nisaseyo-trainer after some few months asi-train (nanga) endaweni eyodwa sahlukaniswa sonke nje sobathathu futhi sasi-mixed nje naba...Oh, safica uGayo lapha ke...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=4637.0,4658.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/245","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Oh, lapha...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=4658.0,4659.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/246","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: Ya uGayo eMatola.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=4659.0,4663.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/247","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: La kwi-transit camp yayiseMatola?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=4663.0,4664.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/248","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: Ya, yayiseMatola safica uGayo lapha eMatola, safica uGayo.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=4664.0,4669.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/249","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Uyi-Commissar?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=4669.0,4671.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/250","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: Hayi usafika naye.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=4671.0,4672.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/251","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Naye usafika oh, ok.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=4672.0,4673.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/252","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: Kukhona amaKomisayi akhona asebuya ku-training. Omunye esamfica uSihle...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=4673.0,4680.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/253","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Mbongwa.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=4680.0,4681.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/254","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: Mmmm...ya, uSihle. Konje bambiza ngobani uSihle, kukhona igama abambiza ngalo. USihle besimazi ke vele kaMashu uyabo, kodwa ubengesayena uSihle ukuthi sengikhohliwe ukuthi babembiza bani uyabo. Bona sebebuya kwi-training oSihle namanye ama-comrade nobuso obunye esasibufanisa nje sabona ukuthi oh. So, laba abasifundisayo igenge esibuya kwi-training and ama-commander ahlukene kukhona ofundisa ipolitiki, kukhona ofundisa i-fire arm, kukhona ofundisa i-urban guerrilla warfare, kukhona ofundisa i-tactic izinto ezihlukene nje eziningi, i-MCW-Transit Combart Work uyabo.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=4681.0,4720.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/255","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE:  Ok.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=4720.0,4721.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/256","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: Esafika...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=4721.0,4722.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/257","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Ne-topography ikhona lapho?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=4722.0,4723.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/258","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO:  Konke lapha...ama-commander ahlukene but anilona i-class elilodwa ningama-class ahlukene i-class lalo...niyatshelwa ukuthi nansi i-material mhlawumbe lana niwu-12, nansi i-unit yenu. But ku-transit kuya-mixer (kswa) futhi, kukhona la sifunda khona so...kwipolitiki bekuyipolitiki kuwo wonke umuntu...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=4723.0,4742.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/259","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Nigqokeni, senigqokeni sebeninikezile yini izimpahla?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=4742.0,4745.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/260","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: Hhheee...sisagqoke lezimpahla lezi ezethu esazigqoka amalokhuzane...sengine-tracksuit yami nezinye izimpahla ezilokhuzane. Izimpahla sazishintsha sesizohamba. Uma senizohamba ke banithengela izimpahla ezintsha nihambe, two baninike nama-passports asebhalwe amanye amagama futhi hayi lamagama ebesiqanjwe wona sekunelinye igama kunesithombe sakho kuphela. Into kukhona othatha izithombe uyabo, kune-process eningi eyenzakalayo lapha kwi-transit camp.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=4745.0,4777.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/261","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Nifike nithathe izithombe nithathe angithi nani angeke nibuze ukuthi nizithathelani izithombe, kuthiwa woza for i-photography uhlale la nishuthe uyabo, kukhona into eniyisayinayo uyabo. So... but awubuzi ngoba phela kuthiwe asingabuzi uyabo. Uma senizohamba ke banithengela izimpahla, banithengele izimpahla ezintsha eniyofika la niyakhona nizofike nizikhumule nithole ezinye. Senifaka manje eze-army ama- combat nithathe ama-size enu ezicathulo uyabo. Umahluko uma ku...uma nisayo-trainer nifaka ama-boots, normal boots akufani noma senibuya...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=4777.0,4823.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/262","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Ok, before that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=4823.0,4824.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/263","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO:  Sure.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=4824.0,4825.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/264","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Nasuka ke la ku-transit.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=4825.0,4826.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/265","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: Sengihamba nabanye nami engingabazi sesihlukene uGayo ngihlukene naye noStheni ngahlukana naye, no-Cosbert sihlukanisiwe nje futhi...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=4826.0,4836.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/266","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Usuphethe le-passport ke manje.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=4836.0,4838.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/267","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: Ya, abahamba kuqala futhi kungathi oStheni, i-group yoStheni nabanye bahamba awubuzi why bengekho...Ubona umuntu engasekho awutshelwa ukuthi abantu bayahamba ubona umuntu engasekho ukuthi hawu sebevayile, kufike abanye futhi. Kuhamba abanye kufike abanye, kuhambe abanye kufike abanye into enjalo nje kwi-transit. Ne-class lenu ebenikade nibekwe kulona akuselona leli-class senibewe kuleli class uyabo.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=4838.0,4858.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/268","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: So, ke nahamba ke.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=4858.0,4860.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/269","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: Ya sahamba...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=4860.0,4862.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/270","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Niyaphi? Ngalesikhathi nihamba angithi anazi nisemotweni...ok","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=4862.0,4866.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/271","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: Ya, but sesiya e-airport sesiyabona ke ukuthi siyogibela ibhanoyi uyabo....","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=4866.0,4869.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/272","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Nibona ngama-passports.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=4869.0,4871.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/273","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO:  Ya sibona ngama-passports namathikithi. Manje amathikithi akhona ke...kukhona ophethe amathikithi, thina sibona ama-passport.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=4871.0,4880.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/274","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE:  Ya. Nina anazi lutho nje","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=4880.0,4882.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/275","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: Hhheee...awutshelwa futhi ukuthi uyaphi. Ya, sangena sibaningi ebhanoyini sangena sadlula eMalawi...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=4882.0,4890.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/276","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Uvalo? Ngoba phela uyaqala ukugibela ibhanoyi.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=4890.0,4893.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/277","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: Eyi, liyathusa uma ungakaze ugibele ibhanoyi, sasijabula kodwa thina ukuthi sizogibela ibhanoyi sijabulela leyonto thina. Sicula, siyogibel’ibhanoyi kukhona iculo elaliculwa iMambazo leli ekhuluma ngebhanoyi.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=4893.0,4903.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/278","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Ehhhe...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=4903.0,4904.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/279","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO:  Sizogibel’ibhanoyi, uyabo, sijabulela ukuthi sizogibela ibhanoyi ngoba e-South Africa besingawagibeli amabhanoyi. Eyi, sihambe ke...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=4904.0,4915.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/280","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Yini nodwa yini enila ebhanoyini?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=4915.0,4918.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/281","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: Ya ithina sodwa ebhanoyini. Kwakuyini interfleet...or...but it’s a Russian flight. Ya, mayifika eZambia sehla. Oh, nino-commander wenu, angithi uma nihamba nino-commander wenu?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=4918.0,4935.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/282","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Oh, ya.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=4935.0,4936.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/283","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: Ya, sehle hayi basale abanye uyabo, into enjalo nje ukuthi ok, bayehla abanye, abanye bayasala. Kanti thina sikwi-transit kufanele sigibele elinye ibhanoyi eliya e-Angola laba abadlulayo baya e-Tanzania uyabo, kuhluke ama-route, kwenzekani manje...thina asibuzi. Sehle laphana sihlale e-airport lapha about few hours nje lifike ibhanoyi athi u-commander wethu njalo nje ushaya ama-sign mase kuhanjwa nje. Singene ebhanoyini sesiya e-Angola ke manje.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=4936.0,4976.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/284","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Seniphethe amanye ama-passports?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=4976.0,4977.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/285","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: Hhheee...passport, same passport. Kushukuthi amathikithi angithi amathikithi awaphethwe ithina aphethwe yilo ophethe amathikithi ethu. Wena awazi uyaphi uyahamba nje njengembuzi yasemadeleni uyabona mayihamba...[uhleko]...ingazi iyaphi. Masiyifunda sithi oh, kushukuthi le izodlula e-Tanzania mhlawumbe nase-Uganda iya e-Russia uyabo, le iya e-Angola iya e-West siyibambe kanjalo nje ukuthi eziya e-East, eziya e-West. Ngoba i-Zambia i-central wonke la udlula khona. Mawusuka nje e-Mozambique noma asuka eBotswana adlula lapha e-Zambia ashintshe ke.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=4977.0,5016.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/286","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Thina sibona mase sifika kuthiwa WELCOME TO RWANDA babhale ngesiPutukezi ke nangesiNgisi oh, sesise-Rwanda...(angimuzwa )","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=5016.0,5028.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/287","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"...yase-Angola siyibambe lapho ke ukuthi sesise-Angola. Sifike lapho e-Angola ke sehle lapho nakhona kune-instruction njengoba nihamba, lo ohamba nani uninika ama-instruction who does what, who says what anikhulumi nonke abanye bayathula nje. Sifika lapha, safika enkambini ke manje the real camp e-Angola.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=5028.0,5052.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/288","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ya, e-Angola ke bekusaliwa lapha ngo-1976 bekuliwa nango-1977 bekuliwa lapha. Uze ufike e-airport laphana uma ubona ama-building e town anemigodi emikhulu lapha yama-shell imbobo engangalomnyango i-building. Uyayibona lento oyibona eGaza amanye ama-building awile ne-smell kunuka igazi uyabo, ubone ukuthi ya ziyaduma ke la. Thina vele yiyo into esiyifunayo sizele impi sizolwa la, sithi hayi vele manje ziyamporoma ke manje vele into esiyizele impi ke la uyabo.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=5052.0,5088.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/289","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hayi sihambe e-Angola...e-Rwanda sithathwe ke siyiswe ku-transit camp. Oh, kufike i-transport yethu e-airport izosilanda sesiya kwi-transit camp enkulu engenayo i-MK yodwa kukhona ne-Zapo la ne-Joshua Nkomo i-Zipra ama-commander e-Zipra sizwa nge-language sebekhuluma isiNdebele angithi siyafana nesiZulu. Heyi mjibha! Uyawuzwa umjibha uyabo, eyi ninjani? Uyabo. Manje bona bazi ukuthi bangamaShindra kaMdala, samaShindra kaMdala thina. UMqabuko kaJoshua Nkomo uyezwa owase-Zimbabwe lo. Kukhona nama Cuban lana, kukhona ezazisuka e-Zahira, e-Zahira kwakune...lapha...(akazwakali)...1977 ka-General Lubumba zikhuluma i-language yazo la ku-mixed nje nezase-Palestine uyabo. Inkambi njengoba ngithi inkambi nje, inkambi elingana ne-Morningside yonke nje uyabo.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=5088.0,5147.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/290","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Ne-SWAPO ikhona?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=5147.0,5148.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/291","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: Ne-SWAPO ikhona futhi uyabo. So, sihlukaniswe ngama-units ethu ke nihambe niyohlala lapho nishintshe nempahla ke ekade niyigqokile nifake ama-combat manje. Angithi uphethe zonke izinto lo ophethe ezempi ama-boots yonke into anibuzi nina, ezosibanibani, sibanibani into zakho combat gqoka. Hayi, uzwe ukuthi uyabona manje sengifikile ebusosheni. Singene ke lapho si-trainer uyabo. But umahluko la ku-transit camp anigqoki i-uniform entsha ugqoka u-size olingana nawe kuphela, ukuthi kanjani ngeke ngakuchazela ke khona. Ya, because kunalento ethi uma nihamba nigqoka ezinye izinto, manibuya nigqoka ezinye izinto yabo. Uma senibuya kukhona ekuthiwa i-solidarity izimpahla zakhona, mhlawumbe uyawukhumbula umphando...[uhleko]...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=5148.0,5206.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/292","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Uyabona indaba yomphando ibuye ingihlekise kanjani, umphando uyabo. Umphando uma uwu-size 6, uwu-size 6...And e-Angola bekuliwa ke i-route ibihamba i-boat i-route eyodwa ngoba beyinama-mine, beyi-mined ngoba beyinamaPutukezi namaBhunu SANDF. So, ihamba i-route eyodwa iya emkhumbini iyolanda izimpahla ibuye same route. Manje ugqoka leyonto ekulinganayo kuphela, kube yinhlanhla mawuthole izicathulo zaka-left no right. Mhlawumbe uthole o-left abawu-2 sikuthole uhamba ubhampa sithi hayi, ishawe umphando ke le. Angithi sesiyazi ukuthi vele mawushaye umphando vele sewubuya ko-trainer vele uyabo. Masikuthola ubhampa siyazi umphando uyabo. Ya, kodwa sobuye siyixoxe le yomphando...[uhleko]...Ya","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=5206.0,5256.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/293","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Ya","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=5256.0,5258.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/294","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO:  Manje mawuthole ibhantshi nje hawu, malikulingana la emahlombe hawu...mhlawumbe lifika la lelibhantshi lakhona[ukhombisa ngezandla] Sithi hayi uyabona le outie le, i-outie yomphando, i-solidarity ya ishaya ngomphando. Sahlala ke e-Engineering sahlala eside isikhathi mhlawumbe about 3 months si-trainer lapha.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=5258.0,5274.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/295","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Nenzani la kwi-training?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=5274.0,5275.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/296","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: Full training, i-full training nje le kwenziwa yonke into lapha. Ipolitiki, fire arms niyavuka ekuseni kuyabuywa ebusuku. Niyavuka ekuseni, kuyagijinywa ekuseni physic, kuno-physical...kuno-instructor we physic la u-fit ini. Igenge yaseZimbabwe le kade isi-trainer laphaya. Athi ya soldiers from South Africa ashaye ama-press up athi, I am going to do the start ashaye 20 times. Athi I will do 20 times, you are going to give me 20 times uyaxoxa la ushaya ama-press ups. Eyi ubone ukuthi hayi ngeke la ziyaduma la hayi...kunjani...Ubone ukuthi hayi, siyajima nathi lana ngoba nathi vele sifuna ukufana naye lo.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=5275.0,5320.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/297","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Athi you are going to do these press ups for 50 times uyabo, eyi ubone ukuthi heyi, sizame abanye bahluleke, angithi sisafika vele thina. Abanye mhlawumbe abadlulanga ngisho naseMatola naseZambia basuke nje from ekhaya mhlawumbe badlula e-Lesotho base beza straight la Angola beza la ngoba phela siphuma ezindaweni ezihlukene. Kukhona abanye okushunqa intuthu la kuphuma i-smirnoff la emzimbeni, ubone ukuthi yashunqa intuthu la ubone ukuthi yeyi sekuphuma notshwala uyabo, zibuya. Ziyabuya ke lapho senza yonke i-training. Noma senihamba futhi anitshelwa ukuthi niyahamba.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=5320.0,5363.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/298","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Manje ke bhuti sithathe ke nje kahle ukuthi ke, typical day senikhona la niyayiqala, ukuthi manisuka nje ekuseni or nivuka nini...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=5363.0,5375.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/299","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: Oh, i-routine?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=5375.0,5376.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/300","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE:  I-routine yonke.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=5376.0,5377.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/301","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: Eish, i-routine sivuka...i-exercise kuvukwa ngo-5, 5 to 6 physical exercise kuyagijinywa, inkulu lenkambi ingange-Morningside kunama-route la kugijinywa khona. Niyabuya lapho nishaya ama-exercise, niyagijima nishaya ama-exercise manisuka lapho niyogeza ngoba inkambi enkulu nje lapha inama-facilities aphelele nje i-transit camp. Ne-NPLA ibilapha NPLA, SWAPO namanye ama-countries, nama-Cuban alapha nje inkambi ephelele nje lapha. Uma nibuya kogeza niya kwi-breakfast niyodla i-breakfast. I-breakfast yakhona ke iyashintshashintsha ngoba la enkambini bekuyinkambi eseyi-established ibinokudla okungafani nokwethu kwasehlathini engizobuye ngixoxe ngakho uma sesifike ehlathini okwamanje sisasedolobheni kwi-capital e-Rwanda. Sishaya i-breakfast siye kuma-class.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=5377.0,5437.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/302","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Nidlani kwi-breakfast?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=5437.0,5439.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/303","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: Eyi kuyashiyana ngelinye ilanga mhlawumbe...kunama-biscuit angaka[ukhombisa ngesandla] netiye. Ngelinye ilanga nidla into ekungathi i- maltabella nidla izinto eningazazi nje, nisekuhambeni...[uhleko]...akukho bacon and egg nisekuhambeni nidla izinto eningajwayele ukuzidla nje but niyajwayela ukuthi ebusosheni umzimba uyajwayela.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=5439.0,5461.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/304","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ya, uqala ungayilokhuzi...uthi eyi ngeke lento engiyidli noma angiyazi kodwa ugcina usuyidla uyabo. Ya, angithi niphethe izinto zenu lama-tray enu lawa kufakwe ukudla okuncane, okuncane nje uyabo, kodwa kuyasuthisa ukudla kwakhona. Niyaphaka lapha nidle niyaziphakela. Okunye kunezinto ongazi noma inyama noma inyoka noma inyama yenyoka noma yini, kufakwa nje lokho okufakiwe lapho nidle zidume. Ngoba uma seniqede ukudla...kunesikhathi eniqeda ngaso ukudla kufuneka niye kuma-class kuyofundwa ke manje. Ya, makufundwa niya kulama class and i-timetable aniyazi nitshelwa senikwi-class niyanikwa nama-exercise niyabhala la, niyafunda.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=5461.0,5509.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/305","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Manje ke okade engayile...ongakwazi ukubhala angithi ninaye manje la kwi-class?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=5509.0,5516.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/306","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: Phela o...sizo-discover sesihamba sesiya e...phela angithi kwi-transit camp nisuke ningakazi ukuthi niyaphi.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=5516.0,5520.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/307","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Ohho.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=5520.0,5521.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/308","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: Angithi kwi-transit camp nisuke ningakazi ukuthi niyaphi.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=5521.0,5522.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/309","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Ohho, so nonke nje nihlezi la.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=5522.0,5523.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/310","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: Mmmm...Hayi inqwaba lapha.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=5523.0,5524.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/311","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Oh, ok.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=5524.0,5525.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/312","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: Angithi i-Angola khona abazoya e-Novacatata...[not sure about spelling] ...which is 800 kilometers from Rwanda. Kukhona abazoya e Benguela, kukhona abazoya e- Lobido, kukhona abazoya eFunda, kukhona abazoya e-North, kukhona abazoya e-Karshie maningi ama-camp. Ya, lana nje niyafunda nje kungena le subjects kuphume le subjects, kungene le subject futhi nihlukene ngama-section enu. Sino-section Commander no- Commissar wethu omunye nifike naye, omunye nibashiyile uma nifike naye senithola omunye u-section commander omusha uyabo.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=5525.0,5554.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/313","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Angithi i-section inabantu abawu-12 ino, ino-commander no-commissar kwi-section yonke into niyenza as a section. Uma niyodla niphaka as a section, noma niyojima...uma kunama section mhlawumbe awu-3 noma awu-4. Uma ewu-3 ama-section sekuyi-platoon...ya i-platoon kushukuthi kujima i-platoon. Uma ewu...angithi bathi una 35, uma niwu-120 niyi-company. Uma senibaningi bathi niyi-company uyabo i-company gym or whatever enikwenzayo. So, seniyakwazi ukuzikala nithi oh, lana kule-section se...but ayanitshela ama-commander ukuthi kwenzeka lokhu manje, nina nithola i-instruction ku-commander aniyitholi kwenye indawo i-instruction. Isuka from etulu ize ku-commander ize kinina njalo nje, it’s a routine lokhuzane uyabo, ihamba kanjalo. So, sihlale ke la izinyanga la...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=5554.0,5614.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/314","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Maseniqedile...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=5614.0,5615.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/315","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: Kunama-breaks la...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=5615.0,5616.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/316","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Oh, ya.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=5616.0,5617.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/317","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: Kuma-breaks niya-mixer nabanye abantu uyabo, nize nazi ukuthi kukhona abase-Katanga, abase-Congo, nabase...ama-Katangese, kukhona abase-Palestine. Abanye besibabona ngokuguqa bethandaza oh, ezase-Palestine lezi ezama-Arab lezi ngo-12 nje bayathandaza siyaguqa uyabo. So, si...nalokho nama-behaviour athile but siya-mixer nje lapha kodwa ba-mixer ngesikhathi ukuthi ngesikhathi esithize...La nikhona nihamba no-commander wenu no-commissar wenu noma kungabe nikuphi ngisho nithi niphuma nishawe umoya anihambi nodwa.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=5617.0,5649.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/318","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: So, akufanele ke manje laba abathandaza ngo-12...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=5649.0,5652.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/319","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: Ningabaphazamisi","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=5652.0,5653.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/320","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Ningabaphazamisi.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=5653.0,5654.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/321","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO:  Hhheee... Sibona sebeguqile, kukhona asebedunusile uyabo, uyabona ukuthi oh, seziyabuya la and ke niyatshelwa ukuthi vele la kukhona abantu aba...angithi njengoba i-transit camp inabantu abaqhamuka emazweni amaningi ahlukene, a-behaver ngezindlela ezihlukene. Ne-training ayifani ni-trainer ngezindlela ezihlukene futhi, thina sa-trainer ngale-training yethu uyabo. But kuhlale...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=5654.0,5678.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/322","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: So, ke nalu usuku luyaqhubeka ke. Mase niqeda ke kuma-class ke","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=5678.0,5684.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/323","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: Kuma-class ke ntambama...angithi sidla i-breakfast, sidle i-lunch, sidle i-supper. Kwi-supper ke uma sekudliwa i-supper sekuphunyiwe at times sishaye itoyitoyi i-Jazz hour.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=5684.0,5699.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/324","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Jazz hour leyo.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=5699.0,5700.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/325","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: Ya, i-jazz hour, i-Jazz hour is not necessarily an hour but ibizwa i-jazz hour nje.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=5700.0,5704.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/326","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE:  Nifundiswa ubani itoyitoyi?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=5704.0,5707.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/327","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: Phela kukhona...ama-instructors ethu la akhona ase-trained amanye abuya ezinkambini, thina sikwi-transit sisafika bayasifundisa itoyitoyi. But itoyitoyi sathi uma silandela umlando wakhona...i-history yetoyitoyi isuka e-Egypt ngo-1963. Laba aba-trainer ngo-1961, 62, 63 bafike netoyitoyi or kuma Arab States abanye basuka lapha ko-Palestine abanye...But lapha nje ku-Arab Peninsula ngoba kukhona aba-trainer kwamanye amazwe ase-Arab bafike netoyitoyi la e-South Africa or ama-South Africans angisho njalo ngoba kuthiwa yaqala e-Zambia itoyitoyi.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=5707.0,5753.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/328","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"E-Zambia besiyishaya nakhona itoyitoyi siyishaya negenge yakaMdala igenge le yase-Zimbabwe bayayishaya ke itoyitoyi bona. Angithi bona bebese-Regular Army, phela bona bese bezothatha over thina sisaqala uyabo. Besishaya i-regular army siphinde sibe mixed futhi nabo so, itoyitoyi sesine-idea nje yetoyitoyi. Kanti eMatola iyashawa futhi itoyitoyi, iseSwazini la nihlala khona nibe confined into a house niyafunda nje kuphela anigxumi, aniculi.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=5753.0,5784.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/329","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And indlu yakhona ivaliwe kungathi akukho muntu mawudlula nje kungathi akukho muntu kanti ziyaduma siya-trainer ngaphakathi uyabo. So, kufana nase-Europe, e-Europe kwezinye izindawo...sobuye siyixoxe kodwa ngelinye ilanga. Nifike nihlale endlini kwi-building. Uma nifika, nifika nge-truck ihlehle ifike emnyango kanje[ukhombisa ngezandla] umnyango wakhona uvuleka kanje[ukhombisa ngezandla] ihlehle, nehle ningene ngaphakathi uvalwe umnyango akekho owaziyo ukuthi nihlala la. Mhlawumbe inama-floors awu-8 or 7 floor yokuqala eye-gym, i-floor yesibili eyokudla uyabo i-floor yesithathu inama-residents uyabo...It was a former GDR[akasazwakali] ya sobuye singene kuyona ke ngelinye ilanga siyixoxe leyo.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=5784.0,5838.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/330","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: So, after i-Jazz hour?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=5838.0,5840.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/331","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: Sesiyolala ke lapho kuma-bungler wethu. But i-training yakhona ayibi yinde kakhulu ayithathi more than 3 months kwi-transit, abanye one month, abanye one and half months, abanye five months, abanye some weeks nithathwe ke seniyiswa ezinkambini ezihlukene. Thina sathathwa ke sesiyiswa eFunda.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=5840.0,5859.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/332","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: E-Funda oh, ok. Banithatha ngani?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=5859.0,5863.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/333","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: Sithathwa ngama-truck.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=5863.0,5864.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/334","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Oh, nithathwa ama-truck.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=5864.0,5864.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/335","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: Sithathwa ama-truck ya.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=5864.0,5865.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/336","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Nigibele la ngemuva.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=5865.0,5866.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/337","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO:  Ya, sesingamasosha phela manje asisenayo inkinga, we are fully trained soldiers.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=5866.0,5871.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/338","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Manje i- weaponry seniyiphethe yini njengoba niphuma niya ezinkambini?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=5871.0,5876.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/339","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: Ya siyiphethe phela i-weaponry angithi phela kuyaliwa kunama-ambush endleleni.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=5876.0,5880.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/340","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Ehhhe...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=5880.0,5880.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/341","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: Ya.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=5880.0,5881.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/342","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Ya, ngibuzela lokho. Manje niphetheni?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=5881.0,5884.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/343","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: Sasiphethe ama-AK.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=5884.0,5884.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/344","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Ok.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=5884.0,5886.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/345","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: Uyabo. Phela isibhamu salapha...isibhamu sempi i-AK it’s a basic firearm wonke umuntu nje AK. Hayi mase sifika lapha sifika eFunda asitshelwa futhi ukuthi siyaphi nibona senifike lapho nje. Basi-introducer ke nakhona u-camp commander wakhona asitshele ukuthi hayi lana sisenkambini sizokwenza 1, 2, 3, 4...Sizo-specializer ngo 1, 2, 3, 4. Nakhona sesiyayazi i-life yasenkambini kwaba lula uku-mixer ya, kwenzeka kwaba lula uku-mixer. But ke uma nifika nakhona ninikwa i-uniform yakhona nakhona niyayikhumula le enifike nayo ninikwe i-uniform yakhona nigqoke yonke into nje, you are in a new environment and ke anisazodla ukudla ekade nikudla lapha e-Engineering, ukudla okuhloliwe kona senisenkambini ke.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=5886.0,5936.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/346","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Senisehlathini la.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=5936.0,5937.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/347","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: Sisehlathini ke manje la uyabo. Ya, nitshelwe kodwa ukuthi...2 ngendlela...nihlale kuma- Bangla enu lapha and kuma-Bangla indlela enilokhuza ngayo...Lana niyatshelwa ke ukuthi lana kunama-possible ambush inkambi nenkambi can ambush anytime there’s a possible ambush. Two, kunezinyoka ezi-dangerous ama-python but i-python ngoba iyadliwa ningayibulala niyidle. Three, kunama-wild animals so, kunemdlwembe ke...kune-FNLA, ama-stray people uyabona belokhu be-mover uyabona uyaphithizela kanti kuzohlolwa. Kune-UNITA, uyabona nje you are in a dangerous stream niyatshelwa nje yonke into nithi before nje ni-climatize into yasenkambini you aware ukuthi anything can happen.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=5937.0,5993.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/348","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Uyabo, utshelwe kunje, kunje, kunje la. So, Niyazi-adjuster ukuthi la, njengoba nizo-trainer la...empini ke, isosha liyafa empini ya ngeke uthi hayi ngizosinda. Ukusinda, uyobe unenhlanhla mawusindile ngoba isosha nje liyafa empini into ohlale uyilindele leyo. Uma kukhona ofayo, omunye ufa kwi-training, omunye ufa empini kuliwa, omunye ufa kwi-ambush uma niba-ambushed uyabona nje e-South e-Novakite... eish bekunama-ambush behamba ngama-convoy ama-Cuban. Ama-Cuban e-front amanye ase-back, imigwaqo yakhona mincane imigwaqo yakhona iya...ihamba kanje[ukhombisa ngesandla] mincane, mincane ama-main road akhona ase-Angola inezintaba nama-valleys.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=5993.0,6039.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/349","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I-UNITA iyanikala maniqhamuka phezulu inalemigqomo ene-oil ama-drum bawadubule afike kinina esevutha nje i-ambush esuka phezulu bayakala i-distance njengoba esuke e-roller angithi I-Terrin bayayazi eyabo vele balwela lapha for years nina niyafika kwi Terrin. So, bekwenzeka nifike seningasaphelele la niyakhona it was normal nje ayinithusi futhi leyonto so, yikho kuthiwa there’s a possible ambush nihamba ni-ready nje. Kukhona lento abathi i-combat ready, ni-combat ready uyisosha phela, you must be combat ready uyabo kungenzeka ungafiki la uyakhona. Uma nisuka la kuthiwa niya eGoli mhlawumbe sihamba sonke ngeke sifike sonke eGoli khona abazosala endleleni uyabo.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=6039.0,6084.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/350","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Out of leyonto niyatshelwa nje ukuthi ku-possible, and manihamba nje niyatshelwa ukuthi there’s a possible ambush nihlale ni-ready nani ninga-relax seniyaxoxa la sekumnandi uyabo. One anikho ekhaya, two nisehlathini nizolwa lento ebesiyifuna sizolwela abantu base-South Africa bathole impilo engcono uyabo, thina sizolwela i-South Africa la uyabo. Uma nicula nje nishaya ingoma yomzabalazo, South Africa ikhaya lam’engilithandayo ngizowulwel’umhlaba wami uze ukhululeke. Ninaleyonto ke nje amaculo eniwaculayo. Sizobashiya abazal’ekhaya, saphuma sangena kwamany’amazwe lapho kungazi khon’ubaba nomama silandel’inkululeko, uyabo.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=6084.0,6131.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/351","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sicula lawomaculo lawo sinaleyo-moral nje makuculwa. Maniyi-group mhlawumbe nihamba nge-truck niyacula nishaya ingoma uyabo. And ke uma kunama-operation akhona kwi-country enzakalayo niphila ngalawoma-operation njengo- Sasolburg ...Nans’iSasolburg ivuth’umlilo, siyaya...uyabo. Nabafana bomkhonto bayishay’izolo, siyaya, siyaya...So, nilayonto ke. So, manihamba you know ukuthi ngeke nifike nonke la niyakhona, uma nifikile ninenhlanhla manifike nonke niphelele, but manihamba nje manisuka la niyakhona nje niyatshelwa there’s a possible ambush nihlale ni-vigilant. Umuntu uma ezoni-ambusher uyanicashela, uvuka la niyahamba nina emgwaqeni...Mhlawumbe bayiyeke i-scout car ehamba phambili bayidedele bafuna uku-ambusher nina la.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=6131.0,6185.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/352","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Lezo zimoto ezihamba ngasemuva isuke kuyaliwa basale ke abanye kuyaliwa nje, into yakhona. Njengoba ngichaza ukuthi kudedelwa ama-drum e-oil bawagingqe, bawadubule ehle evutha afike la kithina evutha sibe wubusaphasapha nje uyabo. So, that was the life ebesilokhuzana...So, manifika enkambini bese siyazi i-routine I mean, siqale e-transit si trainer e-Mozambique, sathi...e-Zambia sidlulile nje kodwa kukhona abasala e-Zambia beyo trainer khona ke. But e-Angola nje i-Engineering bese isimo sempi sesingenile ukuthi uyabona manje we are in a warzone one, siku-combat readiness so anything can happen uyabo. Uma senifika la ehlathini ke, hayi ehlathini ke...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=6185.0,6237.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/353","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Bayanitshela kwinkambi la eFunda ukuthi it’s a warzone.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=6237.0,6242.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/354","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: Ya siyatshelwa ukuthi...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=6242.0,6244.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/355","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Possible ambush.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=6244.0,6245.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/356","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: Possible ambush and a possible attacking yenkambi. Angithi mawufika kwi-military uyafundiswa ukuthi mawugqoka ugqoka kanje, noma ukhumula, ukhumula kanje awubeki noma ikanjani akufani nasekhaya ujikijela nje. Ama-boots akho, amasokisi akho, ibhulukwe lakho, i-jacket yakho, i-vest lakho ne-under yakho mawugqoka nje. So, makune-ambush nje 2 minutes ugqokile kuthiwe phuma, phuma ne armor nithatha izibhamu lapha ni-repeal i-ambush ngendlela...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=6245.0,6276.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/357","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Manje ngalesikhathi nilele nizibekephi izibhamu...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=6276.0,6279.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/358","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: Zihlala e-armor...Hhheee...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=6279.0,6280.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/359","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Ikakhulukazi la eFunda","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=6280.0,6281.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/360","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: No, zihlala e-armor izibhamu azihlali nani, kodwa iyagadwa phela inkambi kukhona aba-patrol (layo) bethi phela inkambi iyagadwa. Nenza kanje, uma nigada namhlanje niyapheka ngakusasa ngama-section nangama-platoon. Laba abagadayo ibona abazopheka...Mhlawumbe asithi niyi-section niwu-12 nigadile niyi-section egade inkambi maniyi-platoon niwu-35, inina enizopheka ngakusasa. Njalo laba abagadayo bayapheka ngakusasa niyashintshwa abanye ke abakwazi ke ukupheka, eyi...ewu...[uhleko]...eyi, uke udle into ubone ukuthi hayi uyabona ke la ngihambile ayikho into engizoyenza nje la.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=6281.0,6324.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/361","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Uyabona apheke ipapa eliqinile elibuhlaza ubone ukuthi libuhlaza lelipapa. Kuthiwe hayi elamasosha kufanele lihlale esiswini uyabona nje...[uhleko]...ubone ukuthi lana hayi, ngihambile la ayikho into ongayenza. Abakade mhlawumbe beyozingela kushawe inyamazane, ngelinye ilanga mhlawumbe kunenyoka sidla i-python inamathambo ke i-python ishawa ngembazo it’s roasted. Abanye bathi hayi asiyidli thina inyoka. Sithi uzolamba isekuhambeni la siyayidla thina inyoka sizoyidla uyabo. Kwenye indawo mhlawumbe banenyamazane mhlawumbe kade ilandiwe kubulawe inyamazane...kubangcono makubulawe ingulube yehlathi, hayi ingulube yamafutha nje yonke.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=6324.0,6364.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/362","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Uma kuyinyamazane ishawa, ishawe bayi-chopper, bayi-chopper...omunye akuphakele ithambo ubone ukuthi ithambo akukho lutho uyabona nje ...[uhleko]...mhlawumbe omunye anishayisani naye grand uyabo, anibale bese ethi 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 ubeka amaqatha la akanibuki nasebusweni. Niyadlula niyaphaka afake leli lesi-5 elakho linethambo. Eyi, kuzothiwa yo! Yo! Yo! ...[uhleko]...uthela phansi amathambo. Hawu, le-outie mfethu ngizoyithola nami uyabona. Uma kudliwa inyama yenkukhu mhlawumbe besinike izinkukhu, akunike le-part le ye-helicopter kuthiwa hawu ushaya nge-helicopter uyabo le-part le, ihwayekile yomile ithe kanje[ukhombisa ngesandla] and yomile kanje.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=6364.0,6405.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/363","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kuthiwe hayi ukushaye nge-helicopter mshana...[uhleko]...Hayi ubone ukuthi hayi ku-blindnyana la uyabo. So, ke ilezozinto...[akazwakali] ziyabuya enkambini uyabo, bakushaye nge-helicopter. Hayi mayekushaye ngensimbi hayi insimbi le akushaye ngayo, akushaue ngethambo elomile, uzolidla ayikho into ozoyenza. Uyabona uma kudliwa enkambini ke kunesikhathi, 2 minutes mawudla, kuthiwe dish down 2 minutes, awukho phela ekhaya ngeke udle ulokhu unensa. Hayi kukhona ezinye ezingashayi no-2 minutes seziliqedile ipuleti engaliqedile ipuleti. Hawu awupheli u-2 minutes nezinyoka niyatshelwa ke ukuthi izinyoka ziningi.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=6405.0,6445.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/364","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Eyi, e-Angola kunama-millions ezinyoka niyatshelwa kuthiwe bukani izinyoka ziningi la. Makuqhamuka inyoka kufanelwe u-behave kanje, umngani wami u-Degle...uyayisaba inyoka, uyayisaba inyoka. Sihleli kanje i-lunch uyabo, siqeda ukudla sihleli silindele i-combat phela ukuthi ayishaye insimbi sibuyele kwi-class. Yaqhamuka inyoka yaqonda ngqo kuyena, bathi uyabo namhlanje uma uke wanyakaza uzofa sizokungcwaba la namhlanje hlala unganyakazi, yadlula phezu kwe-boots uyayisaba inyoka uyabo. Yadlula kanje[ukhombisa ngesandla] engakanani inyoka, inyoka ayinandaba imane idlule phakathi kwenu ayinamsebenzi tshuuuu...yadlula. Heyi, mangiyibheka i-outie yami imanzi i-combat kusho uzichamele unkabi uyabo...[uhleko]...Ngathi kungcono uchamile kungabe ufile...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=6445.0,6490.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/365","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Kodwa uyibambile i-instruction ukuthi uma...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=6490.0,6491.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/366","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: Ehhhe...uyibambile...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=6491.0,6492.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/367","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: uma uke wanyakaza ufile...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=6492.0,6493.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/368","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO:  Phela inyoka mawunyakaza yazi ukuthi uyalwa ayicabangi inyoka, uma uke wanyakaza uyalwa, iyakushaya and u-poison wakhona ke uyafa sikuphi isibhedlela isehlathini la. Isibhedlela si-about mhlawumbe 200 kilometers away...[uhleko]...u-poison wenyoka uwu-3 minutes. IMamba 3 minutes, we-cobra 2 ½ kwezinye izinyoka i-puffada mhlawumbe iwu-8 minutes sisehlathini ushawe inyoka ehlathini uyofika nini esibhedlela uyafa. So, niyatshelwa nje ukuthi bafwethu isimo sinje la, sinje la isimo, isimo sinje la.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=6493.0,6531.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/369","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE:  Manje laba abayozingela angithi niyafika la...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=6531.0,6534.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/370","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: Ya.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=6534.0,6535.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/371","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Nivele niphume nihambe niyozingela, niphathani?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=6535.0,6538.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/372","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: Siphatha, phela siphatha yonke inhlobo yesibhamu kukhona i-G3 la, kukhona i- papasha, kukhona i-German mouse umkhokha...le enezinhlamvu ezingaka[ukhombisa ngesandla] ishaya i-buffalo kuphela, ngoba i-AK i-buffalo ayiyizwa i-AK. Hawu, i-AK moss u-76.5 millimeters mhlawumbe ilingana ne-R 5 ayiyizwa i-buffalo ngoba isikhumba sakhona siqinile. Futhi mawuyishaye la ekhanda ungathi ushaye insimbi uzwe kuthi mpiiii...And iyalwa i-buffalo ifa nani uyabo. So, i-German mouse ke inenhlamvu engaka[ukhombisa ngesandla] kulomkhokha, kukhona abaphatha umkhokha. Uma nizingela, izingela kanje ngesikhathi nina nigadile angithi mhlawumbe niyi-platoon 35 nigadile.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=6538.0,6584.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/373","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Abagadile mhlawumbe bawu 12 or 20 bayozingela abanye, nihamba niyozingela futhi nihamba as a unity, nihamba as schemish ngoba makunenhlwathi, uyayazi ukuthi injani inhlwathi. Inhlwathi awuyiboni inhlwathi iba ama-colours amahle ehlathini, ubona ama-colour nje amahle futhi iyawashintsha ama-colours ucabange ukuthi umhlobiso uthi yeyi le engathi izimbali ezinhle kanti iyona. Mawuhamba wedwa uyazi ke, imane iku-twist (te) ikuthi, iku-squeezer ufe ikugwinye, so anihambi nje. Manihamba yiko nihamba ni...uma niwu-3 ningaboni kahle nihamba kanje[uyakhombisa] kukhona obheka ngapha, kukhona bheka ngapha, kukhona obheka ngapha nile nihamba kanje nishintsha nithi[ukhombisa nangomzimba]. Uma senifika ehlathini ngaphakathi nihlangana kanje ngemihlane nobathathu ukuthi mayiphakama niyayishaya uyabo, because i-tricky inhlwathi uyabo.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=6584.0,6642.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/374","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Uyabo ma kuthiwa kukhona inyoka e-tricky, inhlwathi i-tricky ingcono iMamba, iMamba inolaka iza kuwena ngqo but inhlwathi i-tricky iyaku-twister nje. Futhi ke lento iyakukulutha umane udideke ungazi ukuthi kwenzekani ngoba ngesikhathi ubona ama-colours ehlathini, awukho aware wena ukuthi ubona inhlwathi wena ubona ama-colours ucabange ukuthi izimbali zehlathi uyabo. Kanti Hhheena akuzona izimbali ufeleba uyanilutha la, njengoba enizungeza kanje ushintsha imibala acwebezele abe muhle uyabo. Manje the more ulokhu usondela uba close, hawu ziyaduma kuwena. So, into ebesesiyenza ke thina i-section yethu sase sihlakanipha sithi bukani la, ngoba kukhona abaphekayo uma siyozingela...uma siyi-few sithi ok...kukhona abagadile bagade ama-post.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=6642.0,6701.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/375","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"O-Centry, uyabona kuma-dark house bakuma-positions ahlukene, thina banye siyozingela. Uma siyozingela ke thina besihlakanipha besihamba ngabo-11 ebusuku ehlathini, siye emfuleni. Emfuleni sigibele ezihlahleni izilwane zihamba la zizophuza amanzi ngo-12 izinyamazane si-ambusher zona thina sigibele phezulu ezihlahleni sizibophe ngamabhande sizilinde ziyafika zizophuza. Ngesikhathi zizophuza sizishaye Gaaa...ga...zibaleke zonke, sehle sizithathe sizitshathe.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=6701.0,6739.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/376","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Uma sihambe early sohlephula izingodo ukuthi sizozibopha ngezingodo siyibambe kanje ogodweni[ukhombisa ngesandla] zinamazenze moss izinyamazane zasehlathini. But awukwazi ukuyishiya ngoba uthi inamazenze, ehlathini yonke into uphila nayo uyabo. Uma ninganalo ugodo lokuyibopha, niyibophele mhlawumbe angithi mhlawumbe ugodo lungaka, niyibophe ilenge niyibophe, niyibophe. Ukhumbule aninazo izintambo zokuyibopha niyibopha ngotshani, nibopha utshani nibuluke, nibuluke utshani buqine bese niyayibopha uyabo. Uma ninganako ukuthi niyibophe ilenge niyayithwala, nithwale namazenze and amazenze akhona I am telling you azokwenza umathanda kuwena niyoze nifike la niyakhona ayikho into enizoyenza. Ngiyonixoxela i-story samaze...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=6739.0,6789.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/377","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: No...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=6789.0,6790.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/378","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: Samazenze sase-Ireland.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=6790.0,6794.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/379","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Hayi sofika lapho.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=6794.0,6795.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/380","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: Kuma-newspaper ngiyonixoxela ngaso ngelinye...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=6795.0,6796.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/381","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Ya.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=6796.0,6797.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/382","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: So, thina besithi ebusuku maziqeda ukuphuza sizishaye zibaleke. Niba nenkinga umangabe kune-buffalo, inenkani i-buffalo ayihambi noma ungadubula ayihambi i-buffalo iyahlala nje inilinde. Manje inkinga isuke ingaboni ukuthi lomuntu odubulayo, udubula kuphi. Ezinye izilwane ziyasisaba isibhamu, angithi intuthu yesibhamu, umsizi mawunuka uyazithusa ziba scared zibaleke. Sizishaye uma zibaleka ke sizishaye sizithwale sihambe nazo siye enkambini ke. So, umangabe sizingele kahle inkambi idla kamnandi ke lapho.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=6797.0,6834.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/383","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Nifika lana mhlawumbe ngabo 12.30/ 1...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=6834.0,6838.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/384","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: No, usho enkambini?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=6838.0,6840.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/385","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Ngisho mina ngalesikhathi manibuya ukuyozingela.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=6840.0,6843.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/386","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: Oh, ya nifika ebusuku angithi phela anihambi ngendlela efanayo two, anizi ngendlela enize ngayo angithi kunama-ambush la niyayishintsha i-route mhlawumbe nangabo 1 mhlawumbe nangabo 2. But mhlawumbe senibuye nezinyamazane, uma niphethe noma eziwu-2 noma eziwu-3 yeyi...yikho ngithi iwumsebenzi inyamazane iyasinda, iyesinda inyamazane niyithwale. Kumnandi uma nishaye inyoka uyabona i-python, python uma nishaye yona ke niyithwala nibaningi niyithwale nje, nihamba nibaningi nihambe ulayini owodwa nifike nayo niyijikijele lapha enkambini ke isizophekwa ngakusasa.\n\n Inyama eye-lunch not breakfast...ehhhe...eye-lunch ubona ngokushunqa ukuthi hayi namhlanje ziyaduma kushukuthi izinkalakatha zizingelile. Kuba buhlungu uma inyamazane iyodwa nje athole u-piece omncane umuntu, omncane uyabo...[uhleko]...Nethambo leli sikunike ithambo elincane nawe othi uzothola ithambo uyabo, ikona kudla ozolala ukudlile lokho.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=6843.0,6909.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/387","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Nifike niyihlinze ke manifika la.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=6909.0,6911.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/388","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: Masifika enkambini angithi phela vele nikwi-duty, angithi vele uma nikade nigadile ebusuku...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=6911.0,6915.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/389","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Ya inina eniphekayo.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=6915.0,6916.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/390","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: The whole day niyapheka ngakusasa, niyagada ebusuku...kuqala besigada ngezikhathi mhlawumbe sigade ngo-8 to 10 ngama-2 hours kungene enye unit, kungene enye i-unit, kungene enye i-unit. Ngalesosikhathi nigada the whole night, uma nigada the whole night umsebenzi loyo because, njengoba nigada, laba abagadile kufanele bashintshane nabo. Awukwazi ukugada kusukela ntambama noma kusukela ebusuku kuze kuse ugadile niyashintshwa.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=6916.0,6948.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/391","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Uma ukade ukwi post ethize uya kwenye i-post, i-post ethize uya kwenye i-post, kukhona onigadile la olokhu ezungeza enigadile ukuthi anilele yini ku-guard because izoba attacked inkambi nilele uyabo. So, kukhona o-checker ukuthi nisekuma-post enu yini. U-Centry usendaweni yakhe, ose-guard house use-guard house, ose...sekhishini uyabo. Okuma entrance enkambi nakuma-exit enkambi bayani-checker mhlawumbe bawu-2 or 3 bayani-checker.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=6948.0,6979.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/392","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Inkinga ebesinayo e-Angola ama-mosquito yooooo...ama-mosquito alapha kungathi izinyosi zikuluma...uma ugqoke i-tracksuits aziyizwa i-tracksuits ama-mosquito zishaya phezu kwe-tracksuits zikushaye nje. That’s why every Monday besithola amaphilisi i-anti malaria siphuza 7 tablets every Monday. Uma ungawaphuzi...angithi manje i-anti-malaria amanye ama-comrade abengafuni ukuyiphuza. Angithi i-malaria bethi i-aunty Mulera, uMulera igama lesiPutukezi lisho a girl bethi i-aunty Mulera, bathi ngeke siphuze lamaphilisi u-aunty -Mulera uyabo...[uhleko]...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=6979.0,7022.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/393","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ya, kuthiwe u-aunty Mulera lo bafuna impahla ingavuki uyabo banaleyo thinking nje ongazi bayithathaphi, abanye bangawaphuzi. And uyagula uma ungawaphuzi ufe futhi, u-forced ukuthi kufuneka uwaphuze ngoba ama-mosquitos lapha angama-millions bawa-sprayer ngama-helicopter ahlale, ahlale azo-sprayer ama-helicopter. Kunama-swamp amaningi lapha e-Angola uyabo, ama-swamp nje alapha nje, indawo yama-swamp nje leya one way. Kukhona one day senza i-tactic sasiyi-section siphume no-commander wethu no-commissar. I-tactic ke mhlawumbe ukusuka la niya eMlazi ngezinyawo ebusuku nigijime phansi ngezinyawo.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=7022.0,7075.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/394","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Uma nifika nithatha i-cover indawo enomlilo niya-jumper kunama-obstacles endleleni nize nibuye but la niyakhona umuntu owaziyo u-commander kuphela anazi nonke ukuthi niyaphi, i-tactic. And 2, niphatha izibhamu ezisindayo aniphathi ama-AK niphatha izibhamu ezisindayo, mhlawumbe niphathe ama-German mouse iyasinda ke i-mouse besiyibiza umkhokha uyifaka uyithi[ukhombisa ngesandla] siyibiza imkhokha yemkhokha. Siyahamba ke...kunama-instruction uma nikwi-tactic. Mhlawumbe kuthiwe run, jump uyabo, cover uyabo, uma kuthiwa nje cover kufuna uthathe i-cover sametime.  Ngoba uma kuthiwa cover uyazi u-commander ukuthi why ethi thatha i-cover, mhlawumbe kuyadutshulwa uyabo.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=7075.0,7123.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/395","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ngathi ngelinye ilanga ngithi ngithatha i-cover ngalala phezu kwento engthi iyi-tube kanti inyoka uyabo, mina ngithi ishubhu lemoto mangilele. Ngithi uma ngilokhu ngithi[ukhombisa ngomzimba] ilokhu inyakaza nami, ngithi hayi man, akulona ishubhu inyoka le uyabo. Ufeleba wayezigoqile uyabo, njengoba ezigoqile ufeleba ngijuluke ngimanzi la. I-worry yami ukuthi ikhanda lakhe likuphi ikhanda njengoba ezigoqile nje ngifuna ikhanda kumnyama la, awuboni ngisho umunwe wakho lo awukwazi ukuwubona...[uhleko]...ngendlela ekumnyama ngayo. Manje mangilele kanje ulokhu ethi[ukhombisa ngomzimba] ufeleba...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=7123.0,7165.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/396","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Manje ukuphi njengoba elele nje u...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=7165.0,7168.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/397","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: La...[ukhombisa ngesandla] yonke indawo...[uhleko] ...ufeleba ngizwa ngamathambo ukuthi hawu ufeleba alikho ishubhu elinamathambo uyabo.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=7168.0,7176.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/398","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Ngalesikhathi inyakaza nawe uyanyakaza.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=7176.0,7178.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/399","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: Ngiyanyakaza uyabo manje kushukuthi siku-trouble sobabili. I-trouble yakhe ukuthi yini le elele phezu kwami, mina ngiyabona ukuthi yini engilele phezu kwayo kodwa manje liphi ikhanda ngoba ngangizombamba ikhanda. Hayi ngiyakutshela, uyabona lapho ngoba umuntu akafanga, ngangithi yeyi...kukhona into abathi inhlanhla nje uyazi. Uma bevuka i-unit ihamba ngasala la angikwazi ukuvuka, angithi angiliboni ikhanda kumnyama ikhanda angiliboni and ngifuna aziqaqe ngimbone uyabo.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=7178.0,7212.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/400","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ayikho into engizoyenza i- bayonet ikude i-bayonet ngila, kufuna uma ngithi bayonet ngivuke ngiyidonse ngimgwaze. Ngesikhathi ngivuka ngizoyinika i-chance kanti mhlawumbe ikhanda lila la ngilele khona. Hayi, ingishiye i-team ihambe ngisale lapha. Uma ngisele ke ngi-mover kancane away from yena ufeleba ngilokhu ngi-mover nje, ngilokhu ngi-mover kanti naye unkabi uxakekile uyabo soyi-two sixakekile. Mina ngixakwe ukuthi ngifuna ukusuka la kuyena, naye ufuna ukusuka kimina.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=7212.0,7249.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/401","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ngezwa ngomsindo ususuka yangishiya i-unit ghhhhoooo...ufeleba lo umsindo wotshani ghhhooooo...ebusuku. Eyi, ngasho ngathi heyi okuwufeleba, wahamba wabaleka nami ngahamba. Inkinga enginayo ke one, angiyazi ukuthi ishonephi i-unit u-commander owazi i-route, two kunama...indawo ngihamba ngingene phakathi kwi-swamp gxu! Ngibhukude ngibuyele emuva ngihambe ngiyahlofa la, ngiyahlofa angazi ngishonaphi kusebusuku. Bese ngibuka inyanga ngithi oh, uma sisenkambini inyanga iba ngapha kushukuthi inkambi ingapha iyabo, ngisebenzisa nje ilokhuzana.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=7249.0,7293.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/402","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Ufuna i-direction.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=7293.0,7294.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/403","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: Ya ngithi uyabo kushukuthi...ngoba vele mangabe sisenkambini inyanga iba lapha kushukuthi inkambi ingala. Hayi, bese ngithi ok, kushukuthi inkambi i-somewhere ngala, ngikude nakhona but manje kunama-swamp angikwazi ukuya ngala kufuna ngihambe endaweni engathi yomile manje ngi-worried ukuthi kufuna ngithole umgwaqo ebusuku. Uma ngihamba ngidavuze, ngiyadavuza ehlathini ngibone ukukhanya kuthi...i-light uyabo, i-light ihamba ishona le ithi shwiii...ihambe ngibone ukuthi oh, kunomgwaqo lapha nanku umgwaqo. Hayi ngijabule ngithi hayi, uma sengithole umgwaqo sekumnandi ngihambe ngidavuze ngize ngifike emgwaqeni ngihambe eceleni komgwaqo ke manje.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=7294.0,7341.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/404","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Uma kuqhamuka imoto ikhanyisa ngithathe i-cover ukuthi ingangikhanyisi, awazi noma imoto yemidlwembe yini isizokubulala uyabo, idlule. Uma isikude ngivuke hayi ngincenge, ngincenge manje sengibheke inyanga ukuthi inkambi ingakuphi ngize ngibone enye i-camp yama-Cuban, kukhona i-camp yama-Cuban ebikade ingaphesheya. Ngiyibone i-camp yama-Cuban naya laphaya ngithi oh, kusho ukuthi ingapha inkambi yethu ngidavuza ebusuku. Ngidavuze, ngidavuze, ngidavuze ngingayi ngakhona ngoba bazongidubula nakhona ngoba abazi ukuthi ubani lo ohamba ebusuku ngekekele ngomgwaqo ngihambe ngehlathi eyi, ngize ngifike.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=7341.0,7382.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/405","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Nginjani, ngikhathele ngiyini. Uma ngingena enkabini ngizwa bekhokha izibhamu khaxa! Khaxa! Identify yourself! Heyi, sibanibani, sibanibani kanjani, section uwu-section bani...ubani o-commander wenu? Usibanibani. Commissar! Ngimusho...Camp Commander ubani? Eyi, beze kanje[ukhombisa ngezandla] ngiphakamise izandla njalo. Yinindaba kwenzenjani? Hayi man ngisalile lapha bengilele phezu kwenyoka ngithathe i-cover phezu kwenyoka, abanye bathi iyamushaya inyoka umuntu simthole esebuhlaza umuntu uyabo. Hawu, aka-report (thanga) moss u-commander wethu bamvuse. Yeyi ndoda why unga-report (thanga) lento uyapanishwa ke umuntu wakhona iviki lonke nje uya-sweater.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=7382.0,7428.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/406","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Manisenkambini umba umgodi olingana nawe ushone phansi 4/4, uma uwu-2.9 meters uzomba umgodi owu-2.9 meters kuyale, nokuya le, nokuya ke, nokuya le uyezwa. Uwumba nge-spade esincane lesi se-military lesi esifakwa kubhaka hayi i-spade lesi sikhulu, lesi esincane esingaka[ukhombisa ngesandla] uwumbe uwuqede. Uma usuwumbe wawuqede i-punishment yakho kuthiwe wugqibe futhi umgodi wakhona uyabo, impilo yasenkambini leyo. So, nakhona kune-routine ke njengase...bese sizihambile ke ezinye izinkambi, nivuka ekuseni niyagijima. I-challenge yasehlathini, maningi ama-challenge alapha. Amanzi akhona awomfula ayabanda kungathi amanzi e-fridge ekuseni...abandayo that is one, two anama-crocodile ungaze uthi uyageza uzwe ngento ithi hlwi! Ingena emanzini i-crocodile kuphelile.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=7428.0,7486.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/407","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So, sase senza ama-obstacle ezinsimbi uyabo, senza ama-obstacle...mawugeza kuba wu-2 minutes ungagezi engathi ugeza kini. Ezinye izimambane azigezi ziwathi nje amanzi[ukhombisa ngesandla] ziwadlulise, seziphumile uyabona phela kukhona igenge engazwani namanzi uyazi ke...[uhleko]...phela kukhona izinkalakatha ezingezwani namanzi uyabona ya, 2 minutes uyabo. And ngesikhathi nigeza kukhona abagadile abagade...i-crocodile inokuthula nje emanzini ingaphefumuli, nokuthi nishaye nidubule da, da, da niyibone isithi bhaxa, bhaxa isibaleka angithi ibizo-ambusher nayo.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=7486.0,7517.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/408","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Uma niyi-few, aniyi niyi-few emfuleni ngoba iyanibheka, ihlakaniphile ingwenya...i-clever ingwenya ayizi kinina direct. Njengoba umfula ushona le, iyahamba ize iqhamuke emva kwenu, ingene ngomuntu ingene naye emanzini shwwiiii ingene nawe sekuphelile njalo. Enye yama-challenge asehlathini ukuthi ehlathini kunalawo ma-challenge ehlathini anything i-dangerous, abantu ba-dangerous, izilwane zi-dangerous, o-mosquito uyabo, kufuna nilokhu nidla amaphilisi, niyajima anidli nokudla oku-right nje nidla lokudla okukhona. Nanokuthi besesi-trained ke, angithi kukhona lento yoku-trainer kwi-commander training nihlale for three days ningadli ni-trainer kodwa ujwayele umzimba uku-adjuster.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=7517.0,7569.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/409","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Nihlale nje anidli kushone ilanga, ngakusasa futhi anidli ngelanga elilandelayo futhi anidli, survival. You must survive...mawuyisosha nje you must survive any condition uyabo, mawuthanda ukudla sithi uyabona ke lo uzosidayisa lo emabhunwini uzolamba lo alambele emabhunwini ayofuna ukudla uzosithengisa, so it’s survival you must survive. So, amanye ama-challenge akhona ke nje enkambini ehlathini nje, ehlathini kukhona ama-challenge akhona nje awehlathi kuphela awekho kwenye indawo.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=7569.0,7600.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/410","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kodwa nigcina senijwayele kugcine seku-normal lento abathi yini, i-new normal nigcina senijwayele ukuthi hayi lento yintsha but igcine isi-normal uyabo nijwayele. Niyadla futhi uma kungekho ukudla akunankinga futhi kumele ni-understand uma ukudla kungekho ngoba phela lana nizolwa ukhulula abantu...to liberate abantu base-South Africa anizanga ukuzojabula la, nizolwa ukuthi nikhulule abantu base-South Africa. So, manilayento emqondweni whatever ama-challenges enihlangana awukhali uthi hayi, siyalamba la kwenzekani, uyabo. Kuke kungene imidlwembe ezonidayisa izonibulala la. Kwenye inkambi bafaka u-poison silapha I think kwakungu-1977, bavele bafaka u-poison kwenye inkambi kanti imidlwembe.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=7600.0,7646.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/411","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Oh, bawufaka ekudleni ekhishini.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=7646.0,7647.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/412","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: Ehhhe...ekhishini kushukuthi lo owayegadile...kukhona owayethunyiwe umdlwembe wafaka u-poison yaghuda yonke inkambi uyabo. Kodwa babanjwa ke wa-confessor lomuntu ukuthi ubenobani enza lento yemidlwembe bayiswa e-32...but okunye ke lokho...[uhleko]...Phela imidlwembe ithunywe amabhunu...I mean you get used, ya you get used...niyajwayela nje ukuthi hayi well, kusuke sekujwayelekile.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=7647.0,7681.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/413","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: I-entertainment?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=7681.0,7684.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/414","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO:  Itoyitoyi one, ebusuku sishaye i-slogan just an hour. Two, ngama-weekend Sunday asijimi i-washing nidlale ibhola, ngama-weekend ibhola sometimes ningadlali nodwa enkambini nidlale nezinye izinkambi. Njengalenkambi yama-Cuban besike siye khona uma or ama-Cuban eze kithina niyazakhela ama-ground enu ehlathini nidlale uyabo, iyona entertainment yenu leyo.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=7684.0,7715.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/415","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Kukhona abanigadile...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=7715.0,7716.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/416","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: Kuyagadwa enkambini kugadwa 24/7, ihlale igadiwe inkambi. Uma nizoya kodlala, before niye kodlala kufanele ku-check (khwe) Terrin i-right yini ukuthi niyodlala. Bekumnandi uma sisenkambini yama-Cuban, inkambi yama-Cuban ibinkulu inama-obstacles iphakeme inkulu futhi la ngaphakathi bekuyi-Regular, thina ama-guerrilla inama-camera nezinto eziningi kade inazo uyabo. Ikwazi ukubona umdlwembe u- a kilometer away bawubone uyabo, two baya- patroller ngezimoto zabo. Thina imoto yethu ifika uma nihamba niya e-Rwanda noma kukhona la niyakhona kuphela aninayo imoto ezo-patroller nihamba ngezinyawo, izimoto zenu izinyawo.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=7716.0,7758.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/417","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Nitshelwa kahle ukuthi uTambo akanayo imoto manje uzolokhu ufuna imoto, uTambo akanamoto uTambo. Sase sineculo esasilicula, akanakoloyi Tambo ...akanamoto uTambo uhamba ngezinyawo ama-guerilla nihamba ngezinyawo ke nani ngoba maningama-guerrilla nje nihamba ngezinyawo yonke indawo niyihamba ngezinyawo. Ngaphandle uma niya e-Rwanda which is about 500 kilometers niya kude ke lapho. Mhlawumbe kukhona oya esibhedlela noma ohambayo enkambini uya kwenye indawo kodwa nje, yonke into nje...yonke into niyenza ngezinyawo","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=7758.0,7790.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/418","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: So, ke i-briefing about what is happening in the country nikutholaphi kanjani, njengoba nisendaweni ekanjini.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=7790.0,7797.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/419","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO:  Kune-unit ye-propaganda sinama-radio, angithi kune-radio communication, sinama-radio besivula i-RSA izinyosi, sithola izinyosi hayi zase-South Africa kuphela umhlaba wonke igenge ye-radio nje, communication besiyibiza ama-propagandist. Igenge ye-propaganda umsebenzi wabo ukulokhuza...ama-news, sinalama-news one, two, the news analysis. Uma seniqedile nishaye ama-news analysis uyabona nje uma sibuka ama-news lento esiyenza manje siyenza kuma-units ethu oMkhonto. Thina kuma-news sinalento okuthiwa i-news analysis niyawa- analyzer ama-news, aniwalaleli nje ama-news niwagwinye njengoba enjalo, ni-analyzer ama-news.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=7797.0,7838.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/420","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Niqale kwelase-Palestine, ok e-Palestine kwenzekani. Niqale nilalele ukuthi kufe abantu abangaka, i-IDF Israel Defence Force ibulale abantu abangaka ama-civilian nomama nobanibani, nezingane. Ya-bomber izikole, ya-bomber izibhedlela seniyilalele bese niyayi-analyzer ukuthi isho ukuthini leyonto. Why benza leyonto? Uthole ukuthi oh, labantu laba sebedubela kuma...sebeshawa ama-guerrilla, ama-guerrilla awafeli khona la enswempu, bashawa ama-guerrilla laba ama-Palestine sebedubela kuma-civilians instead of balwe nama-guerrilla uyabo.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=7838.0,7873.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/421","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So, kunaleyonto...so, anything eyenzekalayo nje enkambini ukuthi uba-updated kune-unit ye-propaganda esiyibiza i-Propaganda Unit. ODumisani Makhaye babeyi-part yaleyo-unit that’s why babeku-Radio Freedom, ne-Radio Freedom ke uyabo. Kune-Radio Freedom, kune-Propaganda Unit isenkambini. Inkambi nenkambi ine-unit yayo ye-propaganda uyabo, and ke uma nikuleyo-unit ye-propaganda kune-library yasenkambini enezincwadi zasenkambini zakhona nje. Izincwadi zase-Cuba, zase-Russia, zase-Hungary ayikho into eningayazi about emhlabeni niyazi kwenzekani. Kukhona i-Propaganda Unit uma nine-topic ethize kufuneka bani-briefer ngayo bazoya e-library bayofunda...elokhuzane.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=7873.0,7924.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/422","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Nani niyayenza i-research ngoba niyafunda nani, angithi njengoba nenza ama-class besides ipolitiki kune-Urban Guerrilla Warfare enifunda ngo- Che Guevara abantu abaqala i-Guerrilla Warefare nifunde ukuthi kwenzekani e-Cuba, nifunde ipolitiki. Kufike kube yiPolitiki, kube yi-Firearms, kube yi-Urban Guerrilla Warfare, Military and Combat work, Topography namanye ama-course niyafundiswa njenge-class niya-researcher kwenye indawo. Nizo-researcher bese nibhala i-test kwi-class uyabo, kukhona u-instructor wenu ofanele abone ukuthi niyayi understander yini lento uku-checker niya-understander. Laba abangakwazi ukubhala siye sibasize ke, phela kukhona abahambe bengazi lutho o-standard 2 uyabo, but uphuma enkambini ese-right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=7924.0,7969.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/423","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ipolitiki, i-advantage ngepolitiki ikufundisa udlule umuntu obuya e-university ngoba ufunda yonke into...Mina I debate no-professor engingeke ngibasho amagama abo. Ngiye ngihlale nabo athi umuntu ngoba wena awufundile nje wena yin indaba usitshele...uyazelaphi lento engaka. Ubhala nezincwadi wena thina singo-professor asikabhali lutho. ngithi mina niyathanda ukungabhali lutho. So, ipolitiki inaleyonto iyaku-brightened i-scope sakho. So, nasenkambini ke sifunda into yakhona. Mina ngahamba naleyo-culture yasenkambini yokufunda, sifundiswa. Uyafunda, uyafundiswa ngaze ngafika e-Robben Island ke, e-Robben Island ke into yakhona daily ngoba izibhamu azikho kuyafundwa every day.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=7969.0,8014.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/424","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: No, sobuya lapho.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=8014.0,8015.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/425","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO:  Sure.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=8015.0,8017.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/426","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: So, i...i...izinsuku ke...ok, asiqale ngelokhu...nge-Radio Freedom. Seniyilalele i-Radio Freedom, nenzenjani? Nibuye ni-debate ngalento ekade niyizwa ku-Radio Freedom?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=8017.0,8030.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/427","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO:  Ya phela siyayixoxa phela izi-news. Angithi every week sine-news analysis, every week. I-Propaganda Unit iyasi-leader nge-topic ileyo every week. But uma nilalele i-Radio Freedom niyilalele ntambama...ehhh...niyilalele nje as individuals, namanye ama-unit ayilalele. So, niyixoxe ke ebusuku niyixoxe mhlawumbe after i-Jazz Hour niyayixoxa, even before i-Jazz Hour ni-debater ngayo ukuthi lento isho ukuthi angithi vele nani each unit ino-commander wakhona no-commissar wakhona. Ama-commissar umsebenzi wabo uku-debater, njengoba mina ngiwu-commissar manje, ngiwu-Provincial Commissar.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=8030.0,8069.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/428","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Umsebenzi wami ukuthi ipolitiki yamasosha must be aware of what is happening politically not only eThekwini or e-KZN or South Africa in the whole world. That’s why sinokushaya i-topic sithi Russia/Ukraine War kwenzekani lapha sithathe siyibeke, siyibeke, siyibeke siyixoxe uyabo. So, i-unit ne-unit ekhona or i-section ne-section enkambini nje umsebenzi wabo ukuthi nje niyahlala as a section niyixoxe i-news analysis, nixoxe indaba. Izindaba bezithi namhlanje kushukuthi inkululeko sizoyithola kanje uyabo, siyaxoxa nje but everything that’s brings us close to freedom. Ama-operations esiwatholayo ekhaya kushawa i-Sasolburg.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=8069.0,8110.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/429","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE:  Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=8110.0,8111.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/430","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: Kushawa i-Kuberg, kushawa i-Voortrekker lama-operation amakhulu i-Voortrekker World le yamasosha ePitoli la ashawa khona kwafa amabhunu, nala kwashawa khona i...ya, kwakuyibhomu lapha angithi?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=8111.0,8125.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/431","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Mmmm...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=8125.0,8126.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/432","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: Ya i-car bomb le eyabulala amabhunu afa nama-civilian. Isho ukuthini leyonto? Because uma sibeka ibhomu asifuni kufe ama-civilians, akufe abantu be-defense or amaphoyisa. That’s why ama-machinate abe-selected yila besihluka khona negenge yase-Palestine abantu be-hijacker ama-flights/ibhanoyi lama-civilians lihamba bali-hijacker bathi ene ama-demand abo akube released ama-prisoners makungenjalo bazoli-bomber lelibhilidi linamaJuda wodwa.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=8126.0,8154.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/433","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ngeke bangaba-release labobantu uyabo, so, yikho impi yakhona ingcolile, it’s a dirty war. Impi ke ayikho clean impi but thina we are trying by all means ukuthi sibe-focused kuma-operations ethu, yikho abanye bethi hayi beningalwi nina nibulawa ama-civilians engabe nibulala izingane ema-creche zamabhunu. Sithi hayibo sizibulalelani izingane zenzeni, kodwa amabhunu azongena ema-university abulale izingane zethu uyayizwa leyonto. So, we are making sure that siba nalento abathi i-just on, that’s why we had support internationally, umhlaba wonke usi-supporter. Bethi lempi yenu le siyayi-supporter[angimuzwa kahle uthini la].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=8154.0,8188.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/434","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: So, zikhona izinsuku zala e-South Africa ekade nizi-celebrator laphaya?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=8188.0,8192.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/435","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: Ya, kunento abayibiza i-Freedom Calendar, i-Freedom Calendar ine-information of the ANC, u-March 21 yi-Human Rights Day siyi-celebrator. Kuhambe kwahamba sa-celebrator usuku luka-Solomon Mahlangu, April 6 wahengwa ngalo u-Solomon Mahlangu. U-May i-Africa Day, May 25, June 16...ehhh...besingawu-celebrate, oh, sesiwu-celebrator manje. I-Mandela Day...Oh, u-July 28 ilanga le Communist Party kwa-former (nywa) ngalo i-Communist Party. August 9 ilanga lomama, iMashi yomama, September 24 i-Heritage Day...ehhh...nelanga okwatholakalayo ngayo inkululeko yase Russia, first Liberation yase-Russia November 7 oh, no-December 16 uku-former (nywa)tholakala koMkhonto Wesizwe izona izinsuku ebesizi-celebrator kuculwa sinama kunama...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=8192.0,8256.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/436","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE:  Ok.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=8256.0,8257.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/437","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO:  I-poetry, arts but kunezinto esizenzayo si-celebrator nje ukuthi...Besinama- commemorations nama-celebration.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=8257.0,8267.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/438","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: So, le yase-Russia beniyi-celebrator as October/November...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=8267.0,8270.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/439","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO:  Besiyibizia October Revolution u-November 7 besiyibiza ngokuthi i-October Revolution ila kwaqala khona umzabalazo belwisa i-Tsa, i-Tsarism...Tsa Alexandra nabo-Trost, nabo-Stalin. Yila inkululeko yaqala khona inkululeko yokuqala nje, njengoba amazwe esekhululekile isuka lapho inkululeko. Kwakwenzekani khona, siyi-narrate by politically isho ukuthini, why thina kufuneka silwe, silwelani. Why kufuneka sazi ipolitiki, kwipolitiki kufuneka sazi ukuthi ubani i-enemy yethu not all umuntu omhlophe is our enemy.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=8270.0,8307.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/440","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ngeke usukele uhobo lapha ebhishi uthi i-enemy yakho ezokucela ugwayi noma ezibhemela iwhoonga uthi i-enemy uyabo. So, it is not a color war but silwa ne-apartheid, silwa namasosha, silwa namaphoyisa silwa ne-Broder border uyabona abantu abazi ama-policy ukuthi abantu abamnyama baphila kabuhlungu. Besinazo izinsuku ebesizi-celebrator and we were celebrating all the time zonke izinkambi futhi noma ufika kuyiphi inkambi ufika kune-celebration. Uthole ukuthi i-program ishintshile instead of le-formal program ye-class i-celebration namhlanje niyacula...mina bengidlala ne-guitar ke uyabo. Niya-composer nezingoma niyadansa, i-gumboots dance uyabo, nidlala ibhola.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=8307.0,8354.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/441","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Hayi i-guitar uzoyiphatha next time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=8354.0,8356.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/442","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: (uhleko) Ya.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=8356.0,8357.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/443","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Ok. So, ke nahlala isikhathi esingakanani lapha enkanjini le eFunda?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=8357.0,8364.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/444","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: Sahlala almost a year, ya almost a year angithi besihlala kwezinye izinkambi. Almost a year because kwezinye izindawo besihanjiswa siphinde sibuyiswe because inkambi yakhona iya-specializer, sasi-specializer nge-Engineering ngama-explosive e-Engineering kusengama-Engineers, sase si-specializer ngama-Firearm mina ngibuye ngenza nepolitiki. Ubuhamba ubuye, uhambe ubuye yingakho ngithi akubuzwa awubuzi ukuthi uhanjiselwani ubuyiselwani, uyathathwa nje. But into eyayi-funny siphuma enkambini sesihamba manje for permanent...ehhh...saya ehotela e-Rwanda.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=8364.0,8406.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/445","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kukhona ihotela ababethi...sengikhohliwe igama lalo...i- Pall-mall...hayi lise-Mozambique. Sangena ehotela for the first time angithi abanye abantu abamnyama kade bengangeni ehotela la e-South Africa ningaziboni senihamba aamahotela beningangeni ehotela, bekungabelungu kuphela abangena emahotela. Sangena ehotela for the first time sibuya enkambini sesihlale almost two years ezinkambini. So, kufika isobho lamaPutukezi nesinkwa samaPutukezi simnandini isinkwa sakhona nesobho.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=8406.0,8435.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/446","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sasithela siwu-12, bathi ehotela uma nifuna elinye isobho nizolithola, sathi siyalifuna elinye angithi besidla ukudla esingakujwayele enkambini besidla ingxavungxavu nje enkambini kanti i-starter uyabo...[uhleko]...Saze sasutha uyabo silokhu sidlile nje. Sebethi ene hayi sesi-grand manje. Sekuthiwa sekuza ukudla manje, sesithi kanti lena? Kuthiwa hayi bekuyi-starter. Sithi yini leyo i-starter asiyazi leyonto thina, sisuthini lapho sesidle isobho izisu zingaka izisu[ukhombisa ngezandla]. So, limnandi lelisobho enkambini asilazi lelisobho for two years ngihambe ekhaya ngo-1976, ngo-78 for the first time udla nje ukudla okumnandi after two years.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=8435.0,8475.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/447","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Nigqokeni? Nigqoke kanjani?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=8475.0,8478.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/448","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: No, phela sishaye eze...[uhleko]...eyi wangikhumbuza i-solidarity. Sishaye...sigqoke izimpahla ze-solidarity uyabo, i-solidarity ke uyazi nawe umphando sigqoke umphando. Phela uma niphuma enkambini niyashintsha same time maniphuma nje enkambini niyazishintsha izimpahla nigqoke i-uniform niyayishintsha i-uniform yenkambi mase...Uma senigqoka lezi zama-civilians seniya ekhaya vele seniyolwa uyabo. So, kuye kuthiwe kufanele u- adjust i-civilian life yiko niya nasedolobheni nifunda idolobha uyabo, nokukhuluma i-language uyabo ningajampisi ukuthi anibona abala uyabo.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=8478.0,8515.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/449","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Manje la basifake ehotela nje sishaye umphando, sigqoke umphando amabhantshi afika la[uyakhombisa] awoqophs uyabo, nizoshaya izicathulo zaka-left eziwu-2 uyahamba uyabhampa uyabo engathi uyazibhampela nje kanti uyabo...Ugqoke lento...ufaka into ekulinganayo kuyaliwa la akukho shopper aniyi ko-shopper, ayikho i-window shopping la. And izimpahla lezi ezi-donated ama-country zivela ko-Poland, Hungary, Yugoslavia...i-Russia ibisinika yonke into ngoba nezimpahla ibisinika i-Russia izimpahla. I-Cuba uyabo. Uthatha nje okukulinganayo ukugqoke awusho ukuthi hayi lokhu kuyangimpintsha, uma ikulingana kahle sewu-sharp ukuthi ifika la[ukhombisa ngesandla] akusho lutho lokho.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=8515.0,8561.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/450","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Thina sizokubona edolobheni ukuthi hayi, lo ubuya enkambini ke ugqoke umphando uyabo. That’s why sangena ehotela lapha sashaya i-starter heyi, kwathiwa hayi sizoninika isobho sathi lethani, kukhona abashaya 3 izindishi obhayela laba abangaka[uyakhombisa ngezandla], sekufika ukudla sesisuthi...[uhleko]...Kuthiwa hayi bekuyi-starter leso, sithi i-starter yini leyo asisazi i-starter besiqala ukungena ehotela empilweni yethu.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=8561.0,8589.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/451","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Eyi, sabona ukuthi heyi oh, kune-starter sase sithi ok, sesizoyigada ke lempahla le ye-starter uma sesifika kwenye indawo kuthiwe ok, i-starter sobuza ukuthi i-starter yini le. Ngoba phela akubuzwa, anibuzi kuthiwe akubuzwa angithi?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=8589.0,8603.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/452","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Ya.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=8603.0,8604.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/453","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: Akubuzwa, awutshelwa lutho nje awazi kwa-starter kwasani wena uzwa impahla imnandi. Sathi masesifika e-Mozambique kwelinye ihotela sabuza, yini le i-starter? Kwathiwa ya i-starter. Sathi hayi asishayeni kancane madoda singajahile asincengeni bafowethu ingasiphindi leyampahla...[uhleko]...ingasiphindi uyabo. Sathi hayi, sizoyincenga lempahla sizoyincenga ngampela sayincenga.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=8604.0,8626.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/454","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Manje manisuka e-Rwanda ke nasuka straight neza eMaputo?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=8626.0,8630.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/455","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: Ya...Hhheee...sadlula e-Zambia futhi.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=8630.0,8633.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/456","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Ok, oh!","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=8633.0,8634.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/457","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO:  Angithi phela anibuzi ukuthi kudlulelwani la.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=8634.0,8636.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/458","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Ok. Alright nisuka e-Rwanda niya e-Zambia nihamba nonke.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=8636.0,8639.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/459","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: Ya sihamba sonke siyi-unit.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=8639.0,8641.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/460","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Seniyakwazi yini ukucula ngoba phela kufanele senijabule manje seningamasosha angempela.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=8641.0,8645.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/461","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: Sesingama-civilians phela manje and two, masifika endaweni asijampisi ukuthi thina si-trained.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=8645.0,8648.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/462","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Ukuthi amasosha lawa...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=8648.0,8649.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/463","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: Akufuneki banibone abantu ukuthi ni-trained anijampisi.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=8649.0,8651.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/464","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Kufuneka nibe yizakhamuzi.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=8651.0,8652.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/465","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: Ninga-walker nani kufanele nibe yizakhamuzi uyabo, nithathe i-walk ye-civilian uyabo...ungahambi nje engathi uyamasha uyabo, yonke leyonto sesizama ukuthi ena...kwakuthiwa i-civilian life kufuneka...Siyatshelwa ukuthi fundani i-civilian life ngoba niya ekhaya manje, uyoboshwa ekusekhaya ufika nje kuthiwa lo usebuyile kufuneka ube ne-civilian life.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=8652.0,8674.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/466","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So, siyayizama impilo yama-civil sesiphuza no-beer uyabo usa-revenger umuntu kuthiwa sisa-revenger, uphuza no-beer umuntu kuthiwe hayi lomuntu owala edolobheni ngoba akukho beer enkambini uyabo. So, nje ababhemayo bathenga ugwayi babheme, mawufika kukhulunywa isiNgisi ke uyabo, kushawa o-because no-I want uyabone nje nisho zonke lezizinto. But uzama ukuba i-cvilian life nje uzama leyonto leyo.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=8674.0,8704.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/467","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Kungabi khona umuntu ozoba-suspicious la.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=8704.0,8706.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/468","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: Ya, abantu bangabi suspicious. Phela into eyayisishaya ke iyi-one, phela into yobusosha ayiphumi nje engqondweni, ayiphumi nje engqondweni into yobusosha. Uyabona uma siphiswe ukuchama, kuchama oyedwa siphiswa sonke ya masihamba nje ebusuku, sihamba nje esigangeni mhlawumbe ebusuku sonke sesiyachama hawu. Sagcina sesi...sesilokhuzana...uyabo ke sesirobha ke ngithi uyazi ukuthini, ngoba lento yobusosha sibone ukuthi ngampela ayiphumile yini sifuna ukuyibona ukuthi ayiphumile yini ngoba sifuna iphume.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=8706.0,8736.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/469","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Mhlawumbe uma sihamba, sihamba ulayini sihambe schemish. Ngithi bafwethu asingawuhambi ulayini bafwethu asisekho enkambini sigqagqane nje uyabo. Kwenye indawo ngihambe ngi-jumper, ba-jumper bonke emva kwami uyabo, abazi ba-jumper ini ngizigangela nami ngi-jumper ubala uyabo. Bazo-jumper bonke hayi ngiphele insini ngithi ya nganithola abukaphumi ubusosha kinina, abuphumanga ubusosha. Kuthiwe asibe ama-civilian sikhumbuzane uyabo, ukuthi abuphume ubusosha abuphume nje ubusosha. Kodwa abuphumi kalula futhi ngeke ubukhiphe ngezinsuku ezimbili noma ezintathu noma isonto, even inyanga ngeke ibukhiphe buyahlala ubusosha.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=8736.0,8776.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/470","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Ngoba phela bekuyimpilo yakho le daily, iyi-routine lento.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=8776.0,8779.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/471","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: Exactly. Kwenye indawo uzwe kukhala i-combat ubone ukuthi ikhala engqondweni uyabo, usuya-jumper kanti hayi akukho lutho ikhala engqondweni uyabo. Kwenye indawo uzwe kukhala isibhamu kanti sikhala engqondweni uyabo ga! Ga! Ga! Uthi ubani lo odubulayo kanti akukho muntu odubulayo sikhala engqondweni uyabo. So, into yakhona iba kuwena, awuyifaki kuwena iphila kuwena, so ukuthi uyikhiphe eyi, kunzima ukuyikhipha.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=8779.0,8808.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/472","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: E-Zambia nahlala isikhathi esingakanani?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=8808.0,8810.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/473","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: Mhlawumbe sahlala...e-Zambia sahlala iviki. E-Zambia babeyosi-introducer kwamanye amajitha ase-Zimbabwe angithi kukhona abanye bethu ababeye eZimbabwe. Two, nokwazi amagenge e-Zipra, i-Zipra sasiyigcine e-Engineering igenge ka-Joshua Nkomo sabona no-Joshua Nkomo umuzi wakhe, saya e-Lilanda thina besihlala elokishini e-Zambia hayi edolobheni. Sasuka e-Zambia...sasuka e-Lusaka sayohlala elokishini bekunendlu ka-ANC lapha, kunendlu ka-ANC kunendlu ye-Zapu kuneye-SWAPO.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=8810.0,8837.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/474","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So, uma siya e-Zapu House sixoxe namajitha ase-Zimbabwe nje uyabo, vele sesiphila i-civilian life nabo sebe-trained laba esihlangana nabo hayi. Anihlanganiswa nabantu abayo-trainer uma seni-trained ngaphandle uma nizoba-instructor nizobafundisa enkambini. Uma seni-trained nihlangana namajitha aseku-mission vele uyabo, sesiyazixoxela nje ngama-combat experience ethu. Abanye sebebuya ngaphakathi eZimbabwe kuma-operations, nabethu sebebuya ngaphakathi kuma-operations uyabona nje sekuyileyo mpilo nje combat experience. Angithi thina sisala ngaphakathi so, siyayifuna u-combat experience, how to survive e-South Africa ungaboshwa, ungafi. So, what should you do izinto ezinjalo nje nisuke nizixoxela ni-relaxed.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=8837.0,8883.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/475","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: So, one of emphasis uma nifundiswa nina njengamasosha i-security.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=8883.0,8890.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/476","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO:  Ya.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=8890.0,8892.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/477","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Manje ngoba nihlezi la ezinkanjini nizobuye neqe niyofuna into. Ayizoba compromised yini i-security yakho?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=8892.0,8903.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/478","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: Angithi one, enkambini kugadiwe one, two akweqiwa. Uma neqa mhlawumbe abathathu out of hundred akweqi wonke umuntu. Futhi akweqeki nje enkambini kuba yilabantu aba-ill-discipline nje. Njengoba kugadiwe, uma uke weqa it’s your responsibility ngoba uzotholakala ukuthi weqile ngeke ungatholakali. Enkambini kuke kushawe i-combat nibizwe nonke kubonakale ukuthi niphelele yini anytime, baphi abanye uyathola, uzotholakala ukuthi weqile.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=8903.0,8936.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/479","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So, uma weqa uzi-compromiser wena, two uzopanishwa ngaphandle nje kokuthi ene kanjani uzopanishwa a heavy punishment ngokweqa nje. Abanye kade beqa uma siyodlala ibhola, mhlawumbe siyodlala ibhola nama-Cuban, inkambi yama-Cubani ibiyi-distance nje sihamba ngezinyawo abanye bashaye i-corner ke uyabo. Abeqi sisejimini, mhlawumbe noma kwi-class uyabo akweqeki nje lapho. Abanye ke, abanye uma sizwa lapha ko-Tanzania ke, e-Tanzania kwakukhona amabhuda ababedayisa...babeyothenga uyabo.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=8936.0,8975.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/480","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ihhheee...abanayo imali uzothenga kanjani ungenayo imali. Sekufuneka azokhokha akanayo imali, lifike i-Tanzanian selizofuna imali yalo la, limbonile umuntu kade ezothenga. Lizoya ko-reporter enkambini ukuthi kufike umuntu kanje akakhokhanga, kushawe i-combat nibizwe nonke la nifoliswe kuthiwe alikhombe ukuthi ubani okade ela...nangama-unit enu, uma kukhona abangekho, baphi laba abangekho uyayizwa leyonto. So, ileyonto but into yakhona beyingeyona into ebeyi-prevelent uyabo, ama-cases ayi-few lapha nalapha nje.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=8975.0,9008.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/481","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Kodwa manje la e-Zambia, niyaphuma eLusaka kuma-suburbs nihlala elokishini.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=9008.0,9012.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/482","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: Ya.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=9012.0,9013.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/483","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Angithi kufuneka nijwayele i-civil life","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=9013.0,9016.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/484","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: Ya iyi-civilian life.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=9016.0,9017.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/485","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Yes...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=9017.0,9017.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/486","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: Ya.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=9017.0,9018.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/487","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Angithi yilapho esenizokwenza khona lento.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=9018.0,9019.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/488","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: Ya kuzo...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=9019.0,9020.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/489","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Awu-compromise yini manje i-security yakho, i-safety?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=9020.0,9023.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/490","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: Ya, angithi phela manje uyayi-compromiser kuwena ngoba it’s your own security. Uyatshelwa kahle uma uyi-Guerrilla ukuthi your life depender kuwena akekho ozophila i-life yakho two, akekho ozoba responsible for your life. If u-careless uzofa...uyabona nje asithi ku-Engineering kune-rule masenza ama-explosives kuthiwa i-sabotee...angithi senza i-Sabotage i-course, kuthiwa a sabotee ya-committer one mistake in life. Wenza iphutha nje ku-Engineering ama-explosive izoku-blower out ufe so, i-sabotee committee, only one mistake in life. So, i-slogan sakhona manenza ama-explosive ku-sabotage ukuthi any mistake eyodwa nje wayi-committer kanye in life awuyi-commit enye uzofa.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=9023.0,9088.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/491","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Same applies ke uma seniqede uku-trainer seniziphilela, any mistake in life eyakho leyo-mistake, any mistake wa-committer one mistake usufile. So, lento isemqondweni wakho ukuthi whatever mistake you commit because your life i-responsible...uwena you are responsible for your life akekho ozokugada awusekho enkambini awusagadiwe la. Enkambini ugadiwe, yes nizigadile but ugadiwe kune-extra security ne-protection, enkambini kukhona izibhamu. Laba be-civilian life akukho sibhamu, kunama-agent amabhunu ayazula la athatha izithombe amanye athunyiwe, mhlawumbe amanye ubone izintombi.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=9088.0,9110.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/492","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ubone intombi enhle kanti ithunyiwe uyashela wena angithi uthanda ukushela, ubuya enkambini for two akazi umuntu wesifazane ushele la ikuqome intombazane, kanti izokusebenza. Ihambe nawe angithi awusahleli nathi, nithi nishaya ikhona la, iyafona itshela amabhunu, nangu lomuntu ula kanje, kanje. Ubanjwe uboshwe, kidnapped. Usibanibani? Unyamalele. Hayibo! Kidnapped. Kanjani? Asazi. Kanti uwena i-mistake yakho so, into ezifana nalezo nje ngoba mase seniqede uku-trainer, in as much kufuna niphile i-civilian life inale risk ukuthi you will commit mistakes kuleyo-process.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=9110.0,9155.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/493","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Ya.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=9155.0,9156.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/494","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: Umuntu adakwa ahlale phansi uma esedakiwe akasakwazi nokuhamba. Amabhunu ayazi ukuthi nihlala etshwaleni, ama-South Africans athanda utshwala, bathanda izintombi, bathanda imali. Ama-Cuban asitshela kahle bathi you South Africans...nama-Russians bathi you give guerrilla imali, walinika utshwala, walinika izintombi kuphelile alisekho isosha lapho, nama-German asitshela you give guerrilla lezinto zowu-3 abantu besifazane, utshwala, imali akusekho sosha lapho sekuwumuntu nje akusekho sosha nje lapho. Imali, lidakiwe, linentombi akusekho sosha lapho.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=9156.0,9195.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/495","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So, izinto ekufuna uzigade lapha uyatshelwa ukuthi zigade lezinto niyatshelwa uma nifundiswa guard these things. Bayanitshela abantu ababuya ku-combat experience ukuthi bafwethu, sibuya empini thina imali isidayisile, utshwala busidayisile ufe udakiwe udutshulwe nje udakiwe. Uhleli ejoyintini sekuhambe konke ejoyintini, amabhunu ayesebenzisa leyonto ukuthi balalela into oyikhulumayo ukuthi uthini. Angithi usudakiwe usukhuluma noma yini, aningazi ukuthi ngiwubani mina uyayizwa leyonto, usudakwe utshwala. Nginganibulala nonke la uyayizwa, usuyazi-exposer iphelile ke indaba yakho. So, that’s why kuthiwa we must be careful lezozinto lezo zowu-3.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=9195.0,9236.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/496","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Mmmm...so, nasuka lapha e-Zambia?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=9236.0,9238.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/497","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO:  Saya e-Mozambique.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=9238.0,9240.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/498","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Ok.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=9240.0,9241.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/499","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: E-Mozambique asibange sisaya eMatola kwi-transit camp bese sihlala e-Jardino sihlala nakwezinye izindlu nje siphila le-civilian life, sifundiswa nje sithola nama-updates ne-briefing sizwe nama-mission. Ya, suke sebeni-observer ukuthi niziphethe kanjani uyabo. Are you fit ukuya e-front noma awukho fit bayakubheka phela, njengoba benidedela nibe lose benza ngamabomu bazoni-checker, are you fit ungaya e-front uyolwa noma you can’t, uyisosha.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=9241.0,9270.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/500","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Anitshelwa ukuthi uhamba uyephi ubuye nini uwena ozigada wena kodwa bayaku-observer, abakutsheli ukuthi bayaku-observer nina nibona ukuthi hayi kumnandi la e-Mozambique ziyaduma, siyazula, siya noma ikuphi siya ko- Liberdade uyabo but akufuneki niye eMatola ngoba kunama-comrades asaya ezinkambini asayo-trainer.  Futhi kunama-agent amabhunu. Niyakhona uma nizohlala ngaphakathi aniyi ku-mission, uma niya ku-mission nje kunezindawo eningayi kuzona kuthiwe you can’t go to this place, you can’t go to this place. Ungaya la, ungayi la, ungaya la, ungayi la so, kunama dos nama-dons kuze kuyofika la niya khona kwi-mission ke.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=9270.0,9310.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/501","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But iyafika i-leadership izoni-briefer uyabo, kufike u-JZ, kade ekwi unit yethu ke u-JZ angithi ubekade ekwi Machinery there was i-Durban Machinery, Natal Machinery no-Transvaal Machinery ayashiyana. Bazosi-briefer ngokuthi sithini isimo, umumo unjani bayasi-briefer no-Pass Four. Njengoba[angimuzwa ubuye agwinye amazwi]...ubekhona naye la azosi-briefer naye from abantu ababuya ngaphakathi. U-JZ ubebuye angene nathi ngaphakathi ke futhi, ya angene ngaphakathi kwi-unit angene nje, a-cross (sa) nayi i-fence aphinde abuye futhi uyabo. That’s why amasosha emthanda, ubona ethandwa kanje engathi...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=9310.0,9348.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/502","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Mmmm...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=9348.0,9349.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/503","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: Beside ukuthi owala, amasosha ubenawo kanje[ukhombisa indlela abexhumene ngayo namasosha] very close kumasosha, not yena kuphela nabanye ke...nabo Chris Hani nobani, kodwa sengisho ukuthi u-JZ amongst abantu nje uthola ukuthi amasosha...ula enhliziyweni yamasosha. And 2, uma uwu-commander ke uhlale uwu-commander akushintshi ukuthi awuseyena u-commander, you are always a commander. Njengoba wayewu-Commander in Chief, ewu-President you always remain, once a commander always a commander, once a Buccaneer always a Buccaneer uyabo, so usewu-Commander in Chief nakithina usawu-Commander in Chief.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=9349.0,9398.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/504","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Siye sizwe nithi hayi u-former president, ayikho indaba ka-former, u-President, u-Commander in Chief wamasosha akanayo enye i-rank phandle kuka-Commander in Chief. Njengoba ngiwu-Commissar mina, I am a Commissar permanent. So, noma kungathiwa angiseyena u-Commissar yimina engiyobe ngingaseyena u-Commissar ngizisho mina, kodwa amasosha azongibiza u-Commissar. Namanje basangi-saluter, ayangi-saluter amasosha besides ukuthi ena sa-intergrate (thwa) sahamba saya koZimbabwe nobani, bani, bani sobuye siyixoxe leyo ngelinye ilanga.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=9398.0,9417.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/505","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Ya.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=9417.0,9418.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/506","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: But bayangi-saluter because of i-rank yami engangiyi-holder eZimbabwe bayangi-saluter nje. And uma ngingayifakanga i-uniform baya-freezer bayifake kwi-civilian...Uma ngifake i-uniform basangi-saluter namanje basangi-saluter awusho ukuthi hayi i-former...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=9418.0,9431.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/507","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Ungamyeki...ungamshiyi e-Freeze (zile)...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=9431.0,9435.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/508","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: Phela ngiyamtshela ngithi volna at ease, u-volna at ease. Ya u-volna at ease a mission lokhuza...volna at ease...mayeseduze nje volna uyabo...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=9435.0,9446.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/509","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: So, uma ungakushongo lokho uzomshiya e-freeze (zile).","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=9446.0,9448.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/510","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: Ya phela.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=9448.0,9449.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/511","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Uzolokhu e-freeze (zile)...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=9449.0,9450.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/512","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: Uya-saluter phela ulokhu ethe[ukhombisa ngesandla] ngimtshele ukuthi at ease, bese eyasehlisa ke isandla, mangingashongo ukuthi at ease uyabo kodwa nje mostly nje...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=9450.0,9461.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/513","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Ok. Wasuka ke, senila e-Mozambique, take us through what was happening around.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=9461.0,9467.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/514","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: E-Mozambique one, kwakunezingane ezazifunda i-English, ngangine-class le-English. USihle Mbongwa walishiya leli-class kwafuneka ngiqhubeke nalo ngifundisa i-English, unikwa ama-duties ahlukene e-Mozambique. Nanokuthi ene akusebona abantu ekade niphume nabo, seninabanye abantu so that is one. So, abanye abantu babenza ezinye izinto awubuzi ukuthi ubani wenzani ke, ngafundisa.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=9467.0,9494.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/515","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Angithi mhlawumbe usuphase u-matric, igenge ebeyisi-post matric nabama-varsity niye nisize in terms of literacy nani, nani ku-ANC, izingane zaka-ANC lezi ebezilapha. Bengifundisa lapha i-class a small class ngibafundise isiNgisi, ngifunda isiPutukezi. When you teach English, you then learn to speak English, kukhona nabafundisa nesiPutukezi, ufunde nesiNgisi kunaleyonto yokufundisa thina size sinikwe i-mission ke. I-mission yethu sinikwe...engahlanganiswa naye kwi-mission kwakuwu-Santana the late...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=9494.0,9530.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/516","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Ngiyambona u-Santana.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=9530.0,9531.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/517","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: Ya. Waye-under i-mission yethu nenye i-outie yase- Maritzburg naye is late also.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=9531.0,9535.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/518","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE:  Ubani?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=9535.0,9537.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/519","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: USenzeni. USantana, noSenzeni, noGayo. UGayo sahlanganiswa naye futhi but sahlukaniswa sesihamba bese sihlala ndawonye e-Jarden, ya e-Mozambique besihlala e-Jarden. Yonke into siyenza e-Jarden sizula, so uma senihleli ndawonye i-assumption yokuthi vele nizonikwa i-mission eyodwa ngoba nisendaweni eyodwa, kwakuba naleyonto uyabo. So, la ilokhuza ke...mina ngafundisa leli-class isikhathi esincane kodwa emva kwalokho sanikwa ukuthi singene ngaphakathi...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=9537.0,9575.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/520","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Asikhulume ngalokho.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=9575.0,9577.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/521","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: Ukungena ngaphakathi...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=9577.0,9578.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/522","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Before ningene ngaphakathi nihlanganiswa kanjani la senizonikwa le-mission, nihlanganiswa ubani?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=9578.0,9584.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/523","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: Phela kwakufika i-briefing njalo, angithi lalihlala khona...lalihleli e-Jarden...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=9584.0,9588.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/524","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Ya...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=9588.0,9589.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/525","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: Kufika u-Pass Four, kufike u-JZ, kufike u-Keith maningi ama-comrade akade efika nje, ya ama-commander oMkhonto Wesizwe. Kufike u-Dan bayasi-briefer bayafika nje zonke izinsuku, bayafika nje on daily basis siyabuya phela ntambama asihlali...nihleli khona kuze kuse. Siyazi kufuneka sibuye noma makuthi nje 5/6 sesishayile siyabuya noma ngabe sikuphi, bayasi-briefer futhi from time-to-time ukuthi senizoya ngaphakathi. Omunye owayekhona futhi uMabhida, uMabhida intshebe...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=9589.0,9625.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/526","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: USitimela.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=9625.0,9626.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/527","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: Yayilokhuze amadevu, iphotha amadevu isibize ihlale nathi phansi. Lapho ke mayeku-briefer uMabhida akabi direct, his always indirect. Uxoxa i-story nje, axoxe i-story uwena ekufuneka u-catch up ukuthi le-story asixoxayo sisho ukuthi uyabo. I remember nje i-briefing yakhe yokuqala asinikeza yona. Wafike sahlala naye phansi wayesethi heyi, kunomuntu owayehamba endaweni ethize, ezweni elithize sekufudumele sekumnandi uyabo, kanti usezungezwa inyoka.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=9626.0,9665.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/528","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Akasho ke inyoka usho ukuthi uzungezwa i-enemy, esho ukuthi uma sekumnandi sekufudumele, sekumnandi ingesikhathi sewenza noma yini uyabo. UMabhida ubu-analyzer into akade eyisho eseqedile ukukhuluma, ngoba uma esayisho ubungayitholi same time wayewumuntu onjalo nje, umuntu wama-parables uyabo, ya wayenjalo and e-serious very serious mayekuxoxela i-story. Manje unqene ukubuza ukuthi le-story sisho ukuthi, angithi kuthiwe akubuzwa, kuthiwa akubuzwa phela eMkhontweni. So, whatever these people are telling you uyayithatha njengoba injalo, wena kufanele u-understand ukuthi you are being told ukuthi one, caution be watchful ubuya kwi-country kungabe sekuba mnandi sekwenzeka noma yini.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=9665.0,9712.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/529","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yena wayengasho ukuthi mase kumnandi, wayethi uma sekufudumele uyabo, so wena analyze lokufudumala ukuthi kusho ukuthini ngoba it may mean a lot of things kanti usezungezwa inyoka. I-enemy le ekuzungezayo yambulala...kusho uthi you will die. Futhi ukuthi uyaboshwa...possible, and I remember u-JZ wayekhuluma ngejele abanye babengakhulumi ngejele. Ethi u-JZ we are parting esasiku-brief (file), athi comrades we are parting now, we part to meet somewhere. Athi we must meet in the new land i-South Africa e-liberated...athi possible in prison. Sithi hayibo manje u-JZ wakhuluma nge-prison usho ukuthini, athi when we part, we part to meet, but we will meet somewhere.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=9712.0,9762.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/530","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kwakuyi-theme yakhe mayeseni-briefer ningamasosha seniqedile. Athi no, sizohlukana madoda but we part to meet somewhere kukhona la sizohlangana khona uyabo, abeke, abeke athi possibly in prison. Ngelinye ilanga waze wathi uSenzeni kusho ukuthi siyoboshwa ke niyamuzwa ukuthi uthini u-JZ sesixoxa sodwa, sathi hayi uya-analyzer izinto ezi-possible uyabo. So...But we were getting ama-briefings almost every daily basis, mase niqede uku-trainer nje nithola ama-briefing bani-briefer, bani- briefer. Ilanga ekwakufanele sisuke ngalo e-Mozambique siye eSwazini sasizohamba ngo-6 ntambama i-contact yethu yayi-late, imoto eyayizosilanda was late.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=9762.0,9812.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/531","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ku-training mayi-late i-contact ngo-2 minutes anisayi lapho, angithi anazi ukuthi ubani nitshelwa nje ukuthi nasi i-spot, 2 minutes niya-mover niya kwenye indawo. Yasi-miser i-contact yethu sangakwazi ukuhamba ngayo. Leyo-contact sezwa ngakusasa ukuthi...ehhh...sasizolandwa i-Land Rover yaka-ANC, i-ANC Land Rover emhlophe sezwa ngakusasa ukuthi i-ANC Land Rover was found in the bush igcwele izinhlamvu ngaphakathi idutshuliwe, igcwele negazi. Ama-occupants awaziwa ukuthi akuphi even today asiwazi ama-occupants akhona esasizohamba nabo ukuthi baphelelaphi. Sayi- miser kanjalo i-contact yethu, that’s how we survived.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=9812.0,9855.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/532","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sezwa ku-Radio Maputo nje ntambama, ANC Land Rover was found in the bush late...was found in the bush and that’s was the following day...Was found in the bush riddles hundreds of bullets holes and blood so kwakugcwele igazi nje yonke imoto and ama-occupants akhona awaziwa ukuthi aphi uyabo. Na-today asiwazi ama-occupants akhona ukuthi kwakungobani asibazi baphelelaphi asibazi, imoto esasizohamba ngayo singene eSwazini ngayo. Wasethi u-Pass Four plan B sihamba ngezinyawo, imagine ukusuka e-Mozambique uya eSwazini ngezinyawo...[uhleko]...wathi izohamba ngezinyawo. Hawu! Ndoda, salungisa ama-snack sack ethu safaka ama-tin stuff nezinkwa kuphela.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=9855.0,9906.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/533","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Izinkwa zomile?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=9906.0,9907.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/534","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: Izinkwa amapawu zomile lezi ezase-Mozambique...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=9907.0,9910.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/535","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Oh, lezi amapawu Mmmm...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=9910.0,9911.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/536","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: Amapawu ya sagudla, heyi sagudla sahamba isonto lonke.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=9911.0,9916.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/537","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Nibangaki?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=9916.0,9918.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/538","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: Yimi, u-Pass Four nomunye akamshongo ukuthi uwubani nathi siwu-2 kahle siwu-5 sihambe sigudla...ebusuku sihamba emgwaqeni emini sigudla emfuleni.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=9918.0,9929.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/539","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Usemdala ke ubaba u-Pass Four ngalesosikhathi.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=9929.0,9932.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/540","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: Usemdala ya. Hayi i- pirsent e-strong lensimbi heyi, kwakuyinsimbi leya. Masihlala emfuleni i-tin...ngafunda lapho ke ukuthi i-tin la-fish ulishikisha etsheni lize lishise livuleke awulivuli ngommese ulishaye, ulishaye, ulishaye once lashisa lithi qhu livuleke, selivulekile sidle nezinkwa.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=9932.0,9955.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/541","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Ufane...ufane...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=9955.0,9957.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/542","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: Siphuza amanzi awuphethe drink siphuza amanzi, amanzi omfula siphuze amanzi siyakhahlela siyahamba saze safika eSwazini. Safika eSwazini sahlangana ne-contact yethu.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=9957.0,9972.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/543","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE:  Angithi...angithi bhuti nafika eSwazini usholo ukuthi kwi-border?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=9972.0,9976.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/544","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: Kwi-border yes, safika eSwazini border...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=9976.0,9978.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/545","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE:  Ahhh...nangena kwi-contact.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=9978.0,9980.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/546","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: Sangena kwi-contact ukuthi kanjani, angazi...[uhleko]...angithi awubuzi uyathathwa nje, sathola i-contact sabuyela kaManzini.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=9980.0,9989.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/547","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Senizothathwa imoto ke manje.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=9989.0,9990.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/548","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: Sathathwa imoto ya, but besihamba ngezinyawo, silale. Siyahamba ebusuku, siyalala emini sidle, sidle siphumule.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=9990.0,10003.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/549","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE:  Nigadwe ubani manilele emini?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=10003.0,10006.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/550","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: Hayi akekho umuntu osigadile siphethe izibhamu la, siphethe ama-pistol phela sonke. Ya, wonke umuntu unesibhamu lapha wonke umuntu, unesibhamu nama-magazine awu-3, okuthi uma kusuka impi la kuyofuneka siyibambe 3 magazine. Siphethe ama Tokarev la, siphethe ama-TT nama-Makarov izibhamu eziphambili zase-Russia ke lezo uyabo, u-sure ngazo. So, emini siyalala ebusuku siyahamba, siya-walker ebusuku makuqhamuka imoto nithatha i-cover angithi seni-trained ukuthi nenzanjani ebusuku.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=10006.0,10043.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/551","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sihambe, sihambe, sihambe makuqhamuka imoto sithathe i-cover. Uma sekuqala ukukhanya sekuyasa, sithi tshwe ehlathini singene ehlathini sihambe sigudle sithole indawo enomfula sihlale phansi, sihlale nje emfuleni sivule umphako wethu. Sipheka amatshe la sishisa amathini, silishise ithini lithi qhu livuleke sidle, sidle siphuze amanzi. Impilo yasehlathini leyo uyayijwayela, i-normal...i-abnormal manje ukuthi hawu, ungadla isinkwa ne-tin namanzi. Ya, ukudla lokho kuyadleka and kumnandi futhi.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=10043.0,10090.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/552","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: And endleleni uma nisuka la kule-spot aniphethe manzi?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=10090.0,10095.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/553","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: Hhheee...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=10095.0,10096.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/554","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Mmmm...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=10096.0,10097.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/555","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: Asiphethe manzi. Asiphethe manzi, ithi lento sisuka la sisuka khona...inkinga ukuthi u-Pass Four wayenendlela a-operator ngayo nje, uyena lo owayesifaka kulento nje. Manje inkinga sasingakwazi ukubuza ngoba one, anitshelwa ukuthi niyaphi noma ningahamba for how long anitshelwa ukuthi niyaphi noma ningahamba for how long anitshelwa nje niphethe izinto zenu. Thina sesibonile ukuthi ok, imoto yethu is ambushed so kunokuthi sithole i-ambush soshaya ngonyawo futhi sashaya ngonyawo sancenga nje, sancenga sihambe silala sivuka, silale sivuke.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=10097.0,10138.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/556","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Saze safika elokhuzane...sathathwa i-transport ukuthi nakhona kanjani ngeke sikuchazele. Yasithatha saya kaManzini...bsafikela eNomahhashi e-border yasithatha yasishiya kaManzini. Thina into esasiyicabanga nje later ukuthi oh, kushukuthi u-Pass Four uma kunenkinga uye ashaye ngezinyawo ngama-units uyazi la efikela khona eNomahhashi. Sifika eNomahhashi ke uyabo, ngoba manje thina asikwazi ukubuza siyaphi, sobuya nini asikwazi ukubuza.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=10138.0,10174.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/557","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Manje njengoba nihamba, nihamba kanjani? Njengoba niwu-4 niyalandelana, nihamba kanjani nje?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=10174.0,10181.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/558","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: No, emgaqweni sihamba scampish like...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=10181.0,10185.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/559","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Ubani ophambili?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=10185.0,10186.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/560","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: Uyena u-Pass Four, uyena owaziyo angithi ukuthi kuyiwaphi. Ehamba ngonyawo, u-Pass Four ubehamba ngonyawo yeyi liyahamba leliyakhehla. Hayi belihamba ngonyawo, belihamba ubone nje ukuthi lomuntu angafika ngisho e-South Africa ngezinyawo uyabona indlela ahamba ngayo akakhathali.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=10186.0,10201.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/561","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Manje uyanitshela yini nina ukuthi nina ubani okufanele abe sekugcineni?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=10201.0,10205.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/562","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: Hhhee...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=10205.0,10206.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/563","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Oh, niyazibonela nina?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=10206.0,10207.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/564","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: Sesi-trained thina.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=10207.0,10208.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/565","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Oh, seni-trained nina.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=10208.0,10209.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/566","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: Sesi-trained thina sesiyazi ukuthi uma nihamba kufuna nihambe kanje. And two, kufuna niqalaze ningahambi nibheke phambili kufuneka abanye baqalaze ngala, abanye baqalaze ngapha seni-trained nje uyabo. Uma nimile nibheka la niqhamuka ngakhona uyabo, nokubheka nje...sihamba njenge-radar wonke ama-side senza sure ukuthi i-front siyayibona mhlawumbe ize iphelele la i-front[ukhombisa ngezandla].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=10209.0,10242.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/567","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I-rear, ne-side lokhuzane...emasayidini anything engavuka uyabona lana ukuthi hayi kukhona umgwaqo uyabo. Uma nihamba emgwaqeni ke, emgaqweni besihamba...asikwazi ukuhamba ngenye indlela but ehlathini nje niyabheka ehlathini. Khona nihambe niqalaza nasemva kwenu ukuthi akekho yini umuntu onilandelayo. Khona la nihamba nime uyabo, nithi nje hayi ake sime la mhlawumbe kunomthuzi ukushisa nelanga.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=10242.0,10269.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/568","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Uma nihleli emthunzini anibuki isayidi elilodwa nonke, nihleli niyafulathelana ukuze nibuke yonke indawo uyabo, khona nizoyibona into eqhamukayo e... oh, kukhona into eqhamukayo lapha. But uma seni-trained kuba lula iba instinctive into yakhona anitshelwa ukuthi omunye mayebuka ngala, wena buka ngala Hhheee...ubone ukuthi oh, lendoda ibheke ngapha, mayibheke ngapha kusho ukuthi mina angibheke ngapha. Uma kukhona obheke ngapha, omunye akabheke ngapha omunye abheke ngapha niphumule ke lapho nihleli ningahlala i-hour lonke noma u-2 hours.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=10269.0,10308.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/569","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Niyaxoxa?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=10308.0,10309.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/570","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: Ya, siyaxoxa, siyaxoxa, uyabo siyaxoxa nje but sixoxa kakhulu ukuthi uma sifika ekhaya kufuna kwenzekeni ekhaya uyabo, nixoxa la niyakhona.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=10309.0,10319.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/571","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE:  Oh, ok.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=10319.0,10320.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/572","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: Mmmm...Ya, ilapho nje, niyakuxoxa nje okunye but akusekho joke la, akusa-joker (khwa) la angithi seniya kwi-mission manje uyabo. Uma niya kwi-mission kungenzeka ningabuyi nonke, noma abanye babuye abanye bangabuyi.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=10320.0,10337.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/573","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Unitshelile u-JZ ushilo kodwa ukuthi vele ku-possible to meet in prison.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=10337.0,10341.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/574","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: Yebo wayeshilo vele. Ya, sohlangana lapho uyabo, kanti unkabi usebuya khona ejele yena uyabo, usebuya ejele eboshwe ngo-1963 to 1973. Njengoba ethi sohlangana ejele usebuya khona vele uyazi ukuthi uthini yena, and uyayi-understander lento uyabo, so kwakuyisimo esinjengaleso nje.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=10341.0,10361.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/575","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Yanithatha ke imoto yanibeka ke la, nabuyela kaManzini?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=10361.0,10365.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/576","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: Sabuyela kaManzini ya sahlala endlini khona futhi but kwenye indlu ke manje.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=10365.0,10368.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/577","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: But not in the same house, ya.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=10368.0,10369.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/578","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: Ya the same house, kwenye indlu.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=10369.0,10370.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/579","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Oh, kodwa still in the safe house.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=10370.0,10371.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/580","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: Ya, bekunama...angazi ayemangaki ama-safe house ayekaManzini sahlala khona ke kaManzini.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=10371.0,10377.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/581","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Nijima kanjani ke manje uma nihlezi la kwi-safe house?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=10377.0,10380.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/582","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: Hayi anijimi, anisajimi phela manje siphila i-civil life...[uhleko]...ayajima ama-civil? Anijimi namasosha futhi siyizwile indlela, lendlela esisuke ngayo sisuka eMatola la sihamba ngezinyawo yooo...siyizwile indlela ukuthi hayi ngeke...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=10380.0,10395.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/583","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Senijimile nina.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=10395.0,10396.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/584","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: Too much sesi-right, siyizwile indlela laphaya ukuthi hayi la akubhediwe uyabo, kuyahanjwa la futhi nihamba nomuntu othola ukuthi uyijwayele lento, kushukuthi uyijwayele lento. Wayezikhululekele nje yena ezixoxela nje ukhululekile ugaxe i-snack sack sakhe nani niphethe ezenu nishaya indlela niyahamba...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=10396.0,10420.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/585","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Ok. Manje ke take us through ngoba senikwi-mission manje...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=10420.0,10432.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/586","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: Ya.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=10432.0,10433.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/587","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Nise-front manje.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=10433.0,10434.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/588","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: Sure.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=10434.0,10434.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/589","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ehhhe...and niku-operation...[uhleko]...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=10434.0,10437.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/590","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: Ya. Ngoba kwi-operation ke eyi.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=10437.0,10442.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/591","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Lana ke njengoba nihlezi, uma seniphuma senibuya nizongena kwenye i-country.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=10442.0,10447.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/592","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO:  Sahlukaniswa ke lapho sesiyohlangana nabantu ngaphakathi, abantu belukhuza...Sahlukaniswa i-mission ngezindlu eziwu-3 ezihlukene. Angithi njengoba ningatshelwa anibuzi futhi, niyatshelwa ukuthi niya endaweni ethize nizohlangana nelokhuzane...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=10447.0,10463.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/593","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Futhi anitshelwa ukuthi nihamba kanye, kanye yini.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=10463.0,10466.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/594","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: Hayi, Hhheee...asitshelwa. Sahlukaniswa sahamba, ukuthi omunye washonaphi, omunye washonaphi akekho owaziyo. Mina bezwa mina mhlawumbe after inyanga or two months sengiboshiwe ukuthi ngiboshiwe, nokuthi ngiboshwe kanjani nami angizange ngi-understand (e).","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=10466.0,10484.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/595","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: No, before that, suka ke la...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=10484.0,10488.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/596","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: ya...kaManzini","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=10488.0,10489.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/597","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Ngesikhathi usuka.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=10489.0,10490.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/598","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: No, sasihamba nabo phela o-Pass Four.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=10490.0,10491.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/599","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Ya.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=10491.0,10492.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/600","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: Baze basishiya e-border...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=10492.0,10494.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/601","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: No, Oh, nisahamba nje...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=10494.0,10495.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/602","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: Ya, from e-safe house...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=10495.0,10497.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/603","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Nithi niyini. Niyi-unit?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=10497.0,10499.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/604","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: Siyi-unit, ya.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=10499.0,10500.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/605","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Ya. 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But umuntu uma ungalizwanga igama lakhe awumbuzi ngoba akufuneki uze umazi, baze basishiya e-border ke yakhona...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=10518.0,10528.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/615","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE:  Konje ubani u-Jerome...uSibeko...Ok.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=10528.0,10529.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/616","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: Ya kulapho nje basishiya nje khona, uyabo.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=10529.0,10533.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/617","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE:  Ebusuku?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=10533.0,10534.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/618","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: Ya, basishiya nje lapha ebusuku. Basishiya lapho ebusuku silale siyavuka ekuseni, wonke umuntu use-briefed ukuthi uyaphi sesinikwe ama-briefing ahlukene.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=10534.0,10542.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/619","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE:  Nilelephi?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=10542.0,10543.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/620","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO:  Ehlathini.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=10543.0,10544.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/621","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Ok.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=10544.0,10544.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/622","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: Phela sesilala ehlathini manje sama...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=10544.0,10546.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/623","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Niyizinyamazane nje.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=10546.0,10548.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/624","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO:  Silele ehlathini...[uhleko]...silele ehlathini. Mina ngizophuma nge- Conondale, kukhona ozophuma nge-Piet Retief, kukhona ngeMahamba Border sesihlukana nje la ukuthi uyaphi, unomsebenzi wakhe nami nginomsebenzi wami.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=10548.0,10562.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/625","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Ubheke okwakho nawe la.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=10562.0,10563.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/626","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: Ngibheke okwami awusabhekanga komunye umuntu two, une-pistol 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Hayi.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=10575.0,10576.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/631","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Ovukayo uyahamba.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=10576.0,10577.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/632","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: No, Sitshelwa phela ukuthi uyahamba, sitshelwa 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manihamba....","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=10586.0,10587.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/637","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Oh, nilele nonke la?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=10587.0,10589.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/638","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: Silele sonke la 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Phela u-Pass Four uyena okade ewu-overall commander, uyena owayesinika wonke ama-instruction. Mawufika eMahamba ufike wenze kanje, kanje uyakutshela nje ukuthi mawufika eMahamba wenze kanje. Ufike e-Conondale wenze so, so. Mhlawumbe athi uma ufika lapha ugibela ibhasi, kunebhasi ozoyigibela kushukuthi lomuntu ozohlangana nawe utsheliwe ukuthi uzohlangana nawe kuphi. Ufike wehle endaweni ethize uyabo.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=10602.0,10630.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/643","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But into eyaba strange ke sesihlukene ke manje, eyi uma ngifika kuleya-border elapha eyi kugcwele amabhunu, ngithi hayi kahleni madoda. Manje ke uma u-trained ke ufundisiwe ukuthi masinje isimo wenzanjani, hayi ushintshe, ushintshe. Angisaphumi ke la, uyabona njengoba ngizophuma la njengoba kugcwele amabhunu nje la i-SANDF, ngabona ke i-ambush yodwa le sisinde kwenye i-ambush sekuza enye i-ambush. Sishintshe i-route but iphuma the same kodwa ushintsha i-route uphume. Sadukelana lapho ke ne-contact yami. Manje ngangazi noma leyo-contact yayisiboshiwe iza namabhunu noma iyathengisa...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=10630.0,10676.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/644","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Mhhhmm...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=10676.0,10677.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/645","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: Uyathola. Sadukelana lapho ke but ngiyazi i-mission yami ukuthi phuma la, ngangena ngaphakathi, ngangena ngaziyela la...ngoba ngangiphethe nemali futhi sasinikwe nemali. Unikwa nemali phela uphethe imali, kuthiwa uma sewufika kwi-country...uma usufika la uyakhona ufike uthenge izimpahla zokugqoka ushintshe izimpahla. Angithi lezi ekade sizigqokile sezingcolile, zingcolile akekho umuntu oziwashayo besihambe silala, sivuka ngalezimpahla lezi. Ya. So, uma ngifika lapha kuphithizela ngathi hayi man! Ku-training uyafundiswa ukuthi makwenzeka nje, wenza nje uyashintsha.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=10677.0,10716.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/646","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Lento abathi ukunqamula umsila, you cut the tail ukunqamula umsila. Uhamba njenge-rectangle njengoba uya le shintsha, shintsha ithi, mawusufika uthi, uphinde uthi usushona le ungabe usahamba ngalendlela le shintsha. Thatha...ngangihambe nginqamula imisila, nginqamula imisila ngaze ngaphuma ngangena ngaphakathi. Nangaphakathi futhi, ngoba angiyazi i-mission yabo. Indaba yaba la ukuthi...ngaboshwa after two months ngifikile, ayenga-survive ama-guerrilla hayi sasidayiseka asazi ukuthi sasidayiswa ubani kanjani.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=10716.0,10753.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/647","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Amabhunu ayengibuza ukuthi wena ngesikhathi esithize wawusendaweni ethize...ngesikhathi esithize...engitshela...Baze baveza izithombe zami bathi uyabona la? Ubani lo? Angithi uyashawa uya-interogate (thwa) awusaboni nakahle la uvaleke amehlo. Ne-interrogation ke i-tough enye into awukwazi noku...ngoba umqondo futhi awusebenzi kahle. Angithi mawu-interrogated kade ngihengwe phezulu ngalezinsimbi...uyabona lama-handcuffs ngangihengiwe la phezulu. Uma sebekwehlisa sebezokubonisa izinto la, ngesikhathi ukhokha umoya kade ulenga ngama-handcuffs bengishisa phansi kwezinyawo ngama- cigarette light uyabo.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=10753.0,10795.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/648","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kusashisa izinyawo lana akunyatheleki bangidonsa...uma sengibona izinzipho zami azifani la babengidonsa...hayibo azifani izinzipho zami uyabo. Interrogation uyayazi ke ukuthi interrogation injani. Kwenye indawo bake bakufake kwi-drawer bavule i-drawer bafake ama-private parts kwi-drawer uyabo, bafuna i-information ongayazi uyabo. Bakufake amapayipi ke la uyabo, ama-tube...manje...but angifuni ukuchaza nge-interrogation okwamanje.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=10795.0,10826.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/649","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Ya.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=10826.0,10827.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/650","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: Uma bekubonisa into la kulesithombe sakho awusaziboni kahle ukuthi uwena lapha uyabo, bathi ubani lo. Bathi ngesikhathi esithize bewusendaweni ethize wena, kuthiwa bewusendaweni ethize. Kokunye ungaphiki uthi hayi ngangingekho khona, but into yakhona yazi ngize ngayi-confirmer nini? Manje. Nga-interrogate (thwa) ngo-1978. Masifika ejele ke siboshwe, sentenced nabanye baboshwa ngezindlela ezehlukene but iyefana...[angimuzwa].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=10827.0,10858.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/651","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sidayisiwe kukhona umuntu owahamba wayosidayisa lapha. Athi amabhunu awu sinabantu bethu lapha ka-ANC anikwazi lokho? Hayi ngingawa-believer ngithi hayi anamanga amabhunu ngithi, mnx i-propaganda ngingayikholwa leyonto. So, abantu bethu esisebenza nabo but singayithathi nje serious. But imagine from 1978, manje u-2023 ngi-discover (ve) sengihlangana no-Cosbert lo esasi-cross (se) naye asibuyanga naye ubeseyi-ambassador angazi kwamanye ama...Saudi Arabia, Arab States. Siyaxoxa ke naye, besizixoxela ke naye ngoba sa-crosser naye vele saxoxa ke.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=10858.0,10895.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/652","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ngithi mina heyi, amabhunu angitshela ukuthi ene...eveza izithombe zethu...angazi ubani obethatha izithombe zethu ngoba besingenawo ama-camera enkambini. Athi hayi, angithi i-NPLA ibiwu-government, so mayiwu-government ibinama-camera kade benishutha khona bekukhona abantu abangamabhunu phela kwi-NPLA bebenishutha. So, thina sizocabanga ukuthi sidayiswe abantu baka-ANC kanti Hhheee...labantu basebenzela amabhunu abanika imali amabhunu bafuna izithombe zethu. Kwayima ngihlanganisa ukuthi oh, lezithombe amabhunu ayengibonisa zona, wawula ngalesikhathi ngazishutha e-Rwanda naseLusaka...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=10895.0,10932.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/653","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Ezinye ngampela wena awuzazi ngampela.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=10932.0,10934.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/654","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: Angizazi ngampela naseMaputo but manje inkinga ukuthi bazithathephi lezithombe angikhumbuli umuntu engishutha. Nami sengizihlanganisela sengiya-analyzer nje ukuthi ngampela. Uthi ya, phela bawu-government futhi naseMatola...angithi niyakhumbula eMatola bebulawa ama-comrades.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=10934.0,10947.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/655","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Ya.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=10947.0,10948.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/656","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: Babe...Kwakukhona ne-Frelimo but not Frelimo yonke but some commanders.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=10948.0,10951.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/657","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Ya.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=10951.0,10953.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/658","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: But no-Samora Machel maye-discover ukuthi bahlangana ne-Frelimo ukuthi sibulawe. Ama-commander wawalanda wonke lawa asidayisile, kwakuse-City Hall emini kabha wafaka i-firing squad badutshulwa uyabo, so i-possibility kulama-government thina sesi-relaxed besihamba sishuthwa kwezinye izindawo. Nizihlalele niyazixoxela noma mhlawumbe niyaziphuzela la kumandi ubona umuntu heyi, so and so khona okushuthayo la, uyathola. So, amabhunu aseveza izithombe enza engathi i-intelligence yawo uyabo.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=10953.0,10987.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/659","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Eku-ANC.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=10987.0,10988.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/660","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO:  Eku-ANC ya, uthole ukuthi i-operation phela injalo i-propaganda, ANC must be bad, must be painted bad njengoba benza manje kucishwa ugesi u-ANC. Hawu u-ANC uwu-Eskom yini usezocisha ugesi, kuphele amanzi u-ANC usincisha amanzi uyayizwa leyonto. So, kunaleyonto vele it was their propaganda ekade vele bayiqala. So, wathi u-Cosbert no, kulama country vele phela kulama-country ba-independent sebekhululekile banama-camera kade benishutha. Bakushutha use-Bar wena uyaphuza la bakushuthe.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=10988.0,11018.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/661","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Udla lelisobho nje uyashuthwa.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=11018.0,11020.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/662","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: Uyashuthwa uyabona udla isobho nje wena ujabulela ukuthi isobho, wena awazi na-starter uyadla nje uyashuthwa uyabo. Usendaweni ethize uyashuthwa kwayima sesiyihlanganisa lapho ke.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=11020.0,11028.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/663","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Manje bhuti let’s go back a little bit.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=11028.0,11031.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/664","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO:  Ya.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=11031.0,11034.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/665","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Senilahlekelene ne-contact.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=11034.0,11035.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/666","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: Sure.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=11035.0,11036.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/667","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Usungaphakathi kwi-country, njengesosha ufanele u-survive (e) la.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=11036.0,11040.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/668","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: Of course.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=11040.0,11042.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/669","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Kufanele ukhohlwe manje indaba ye-contact.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=11042.0,11044.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/670","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: Hayi phela i-contact uyakhohlwa, phela uma ilahlekile, ilahlekile ngeke usayithola, ngeke usabuyela emuva.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=11044.0,11048.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/671","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Uboshwa kanjani? Kwenzekani?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=11048.0,11051.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/672","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: Eyi!","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=11051.0,11052.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/673","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE:  Ukuphi?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=11052.0,11053.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/674","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: Ukuboshwa ke, ngafike ngasebenza ngaphakathi...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=11053.0,11056.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/675","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Usebenza kuphi?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=11056.0,11057.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/676","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO:  La eThekwini eMlazi.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=11057.0,11059.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/677","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Ok. No, no, no before that, asisuke kwi-border.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=11059.0,11062.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/678","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO:  Kwi-border ngahamba ngayongena kwi-border. Ngahamba ngoba nganginemali ngagibela ibhasi, ebhasini akulula abantu baku-dictate (the). Ibhasi yayisuka oPhongolo iya eMkhuze.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=11062.0,11078.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/679","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Iphulumende?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=11078.0,11079.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/680","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: Ya, ophulumende ngigibele enye eya eMpangeni. Empangeni kukhona abanye abantu engibaziyo ngafike nga...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=11079.0,11084.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/681","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Usu-clean yini?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=11084.0,11084.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/682","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO:  Hhheee...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=11084.0,11085.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/683","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Usuzithengile yini izimpahla, ngisho ukuthi...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=11085.0,11087.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/684","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO:  Hhheee...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=11087.0,11088.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/685","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Usu-grand wena?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=11088.0,11088.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/686","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: Hhheee...angithi vele phela mawuya koMkhuze abantu bakhona vele aba...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=11088.0,11091.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/687","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Ya, ya.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=11091.0,11092.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/688","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: Idolobha elisemafamu uyabo, awusheshi ukujampisa ukuthi hayi lo. Bakhona vele nabanye bawongcola nje bendawo...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=11092.0,11097.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/689","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Bendawo nje...Mmmm...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=11097.0,11099.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/690","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: Manje abazi noma uyiphara lendawo elidala uyabo...[uhleko]...So, sengisho ukuthi ke...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=11099.0,11105.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/691","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Ya, lapho uyagibela nje uyahamba?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=11105.0,11108.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/692","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: Vele ngiyahamba nje ngibuye ngithenge...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=11108.0,11109.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/693","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Wehla eMkhuze waya eMpangeni?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=11109.0,11110.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/694","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: Ya ngaya eMpangeni.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=11110.0,11111.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/695","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE:  Empangeni, mawusuka eMkhuze uhlaba enye ibhasi?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=11111.0,11115.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/696","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: Ngihlaba enye ibhasi ya, ngihlaba enye ibhasi bese ngithenge ezinye izimpahla ukuthi ngigqoke ngibe grand uyabo, hayi ngithenge ne-jacket phela yokuthi no angiihlonipheke.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=11115.0,11126.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/697","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Uthenge i-leather, ungathengi i-leather jacket.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=11126.0,11128.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/698","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: Hhheee...hayi i-leather jacket ngingathengi i-leather. Angifunanga because i-leather ngalesosikhathi beyigqokwa izigebengu uyabo...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=11128.0,11133.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/699","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Ya, ya.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=11133.0,11134.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/700","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO:  Sebezoba suspicious.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=11134.0,11136.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/701","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Ya ngiyabona.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=11136.0,11136.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/702","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO:  Mhlawumbe utsotsi lo uyabo, umuntu ogqoka i-leather nje ngalesosikhathi bekuyisigebengu.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=11136.0,11139.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/703","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Ya, sure","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=11139.0,11141.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/704","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO:  Kodwa namanje basawagqoka ama-leather kodwa noma ubani useyayigqoka manje i-leather, kodwa ngalesosikhathi manje ibizoba suspicious that’s why ngakhetha i-jacket ekahle nje. Ngathenga i-jacket, ngahlale lapha eMpangeni ngiyobheka amanye amajitha engangiwazi ayengazi ukuthi ngiphumile, ngihlale nawo sasifunda nabo eDlangezwa abanye ngifike ngihlale nabo ke. Ngiyaba-recruiter manje.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=11141.0,11162.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/705","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Wena ubafaka ipolitiki.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=11162.0,11164.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/706","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO:  Ngifaka ipolitiki nje...[uhleko]...kanti omunye wabo vele u-politically. Uthi, uyazi mfwethu uyazi kufunekani, si-cross (se) siyolanda isibhamu ayikho lento esilokhu siyixoxa uyabo. Bese ngithi hayi bafwethu kuzokwenzeka loko abazi ukuthi mina sengi-cross (sile) sengisiphethe isibhamu uyabo, hayi ngabahabulisa, ngabahabulisa ngabashiya ngathi hayi bafwethu ngizobuye nginibone ngisaya eThekwini. Ngihambe ngiye eThekwini ngihabulise abanye.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=11164.0,11188.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/707","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Usuka ngani?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=11188.0,11189.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/708","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO:   Mpangeni.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=11189.0,11190.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/709","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Usuka ngani eMpangeni?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=11190.0,11191.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/710","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO:  Ngebhasi ngihamba ngebhasi...[uhleko]...ngishaya ngebhasi ngiwumuntu webhasi nje mina la kuzothiwa liyahamb’ibhasi! Ngingena ebhasini uyabo.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=11191.0,11199.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/711","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Uhlezi kuphi ebhasini? Uhlala kuphi?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=11199.0,11201.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/712","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO:   Ngihlala emuva ebhasini.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=11201.0,11204.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/713","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Wonke umuntu ongenayo kufanele umbone.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=11204.0,11205.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/714","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO:   Kufuna ngimbone wonke umuntu akekho umuntu ozohlala emva kwami ngaphandle uma igcwele i-backseat ngithatha mhlawumbe i-second seat or third seat but umuntu ongenayo kufuna ngimbone. Ngoba uma kungena umuntu o-wrong, ngi-prepared futhi ukudonsa isibhamu la ngimshaye so yikho ngihleli la. Angihleli ekhoneni ngihlala la ngase-passage ekugcineni kwe-seat. Uma ngihleli e-backseat ngihleli in the middle ye-backseat ngimbone lomuntu ukuthi uyisikhathisini lomuntu ongenayo.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=11205.0,11233.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/715","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ngoba uma lokhu ehamba, mase...before afike kimina bese ngimbonile sengisidonsile isibhamu ngasifihla, ngasikhokha uyothi maye la naye, kushunqe uthuli uyabo. So, ngihleli kwi-strategy manje sengisebenzisa ulwazi lwami lwe-training. Ngiphunyukile lapha ku-contact ngaya eMkhuze, ngaphunyuka eMkhuze ngaya eMpangeni manje sengiya eThekwini. So, mangigibela nje ibhasi kwakusewuphulumende ngalesosikhathi ayengakabikho u-Greyhound amabhasi ako-Greyhound no-Intercape ayengekho kwakuwuphulumende. Sasiphatha ama-suitcase kuthiwa i-suitcase hayi i-bag, i-suitcase ya, uhleli kwiphulumende nje uyabo. Futhi uma uphethe i-hand luggage nje awuphethe izinto eziningi, uphethe izinto ezimbalwa nje.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=11233.0,11281.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/716","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Wehle la eThekwini?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=11281.0,11283.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/717","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO:  Ngehle la eThekwini bese ngihamba. So, mase ngiseThekwini ngiya kofuna amanye amajitha engiwaziyo, engazi a-politically uyabo. Manje inkinga eThekwini, eyi eThekwini ngeke kubekhona ongakwazi iTheku lonke...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=11283.0,11296.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/718","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Ehhhe.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=11296.0,11297.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/719","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO:   Uyabo, omunye akubone athi hawu usubuyile? Ngithi ngibuyaphi? Kwathiwa uhambile. Ngathi hayi bengiseGoli bengiyofuna umsebenzi eGoli. Isikhathi esingaka? Ngithi ya, bengisebenza kahle ngifike ngaba yimenenja lapha eGoli. Ubone ukuthi lomuntu uzokujampisela la, uthi ya, uyabo. Nayi nemali la uyabona nginemali ngimnandi, athi hawu asihambe siye e-restaurant angithi ngifuna ukumthola ukuthi uthini, sihlale khona sidle.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=11297.0,11327.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/720","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hayi yena athole ukuthi...Hhhee...i-excitement yokuthi kade angigcina a-believe (ve) ukuthi ngampela, angithi nginemali. Ya bengiseGoli bengisebenza eGoli. Ngoba ngifuna ukum-silencer nokuthi ena ithini i-trend lana. Oh, i-trend lena ithi mina nga-crosser ngahamba, so lento yaseGoli ngeke ingisebenzele umuntu ongibonayo nje...Nezimpimpi, simbonile endaweni ethize, simbonile endaweni ethize ngihamba ngase ngi-establish (she) i-stand eMlazi...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=11327.0,11357.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/721","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Kahle ke uwafune lamajitha uwathole yini, lamajitha owawagcina e-politically?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=11357.0,11363.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/722","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO:  Ngithole awu-2 amanye bathi abawazi ukuthi akuphi, ngithi hayi mhlawumbe baye eGoli.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=11363.0,11366.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/723","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: So, firstly, first day ulale kuphi.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=11366.0,11370.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/724","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO:  No, first day ngilale kulamajitha lawa angithi vele izinkabi zami.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=11370.0,11373.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/725","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Ya, bahlalaphi?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=11373.0,11375.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/726","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO:   Omunye wayehlala eLamonti omunye wayehlala kaMashu. Ngiyabona ukuthi lento iyangi compromiser ngoba eThekwini awukwazi ukungaziwa mawukhulele khona.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=11375.0,11385.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/727","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Mawukhelele khona ya.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=11385.0,11386.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/728","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO:  Ya awukwazi ukungaziwa. But ngingahlali isikhathi eside nakubona hayi ngithi nje, ngibahabulise ukuthi laba ba-right ngizobuye, ngibuye kubona. Kukhona engibashiye eMpangeni kubekhona engibashiye la, bese ngithi hayi angihambe ngiyohlala eMlazi. Emlazi ke ngithi hayi ilokishi elisanda kwakhiwa elingakahlakaniphi uyabo, amalokishi abehlakaniphile bekuyi-Chesterville, Lamont noMashu. UMashu bewugcwele ubugebengu bedla inja yikho bethi isinqawunqawu. So, KwaMashu wawuhlupha nje uMashu and abanye abantu besuka ko-Chesterville eMkhumbane namaChunu kade belwa nje abantu bezimpi nje koMashu.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=11386.0,11423.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/729","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UMashu nje uqale ngodlame nje wakhiwa uMashu nje awuzange ube-right. Ngithi hayi angingaqali kaMashu ngoba kaMashu kunelokhuzane ngiye eMlazi, ngithi eMlazi hawu kuthuli...[angimuzwa]...Zulu Government hawu uphethwe uGatsha Umlazi, ngithi hayi ilokishi eli-grand umuntu anga-surviver la. Ngampela ngafike nga surviver eMlazi ngakha i-unit eMlazi ngayi-trainer i-unit ngayi-trainer politically. Ngathi le-unit enginayo...Ngase ngithola umfana oyi-Corrier engizomthuma eSwazini sengimu-trainer nama-code.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=11423.0,11458.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/730","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ngamthuma eSwazini ngathi hamba uye endaweni ekanje, kanje ngamtshela ukuthi uzofike athini ngamnika ne-password ukuthi i-password uzobona ubani...ehhh...mawumbona i-reply uzothi, the same password yethu, ya. Kusho ukuthi lomfana mangicabanga mina waboshwa endleleni mangicabanga akafikanga...ukuth waboshwa esaya noma esebuya ngimthume nokuthi...ngimnike nane-report phela ngiyikhodile yonke i-report yakhona uyabo.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=11458.0,11492.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/731","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ngine-report yakhona ukuthi i-report ithi, ithi usewafundile ama-code ngithi, le-report uma sewuyi-understander uyidabule ungayiphathi ngoba angifuni umuntu ozokubona athole i-information. Kushukuthi mayeboshwa bamugcine izinsuku, la ngikhona sebeyazi and uyazi ukuthi kunesibhamu so, ama-SB awasafuni ukuthi angizele ngobuso so, asangikalela izinsuku. Ngaba nalebhadi lale-weather uye ubone le-weather yaseThekwini limane line isonto lonke, line the whole week ngingakwazi ukuyo-operator but manje ngilinde yena ukuthi akabuye.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=11492.0,11530.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/732","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But on the other hand, emini vele emini ngilele emini ngivuka ebusuku. Hayi ngiyaphuma ke, hayi imvula yimbi man! Yimbi imvula yeyi...Ngoba kufuna ngiye e-Claremont ngiyovula enye i-unit, sengine i-unit eMpangeni uyabo, sengine-unit eThekwini sekufuneka ngivule enye i-unit yesibili la eThekwini khona ngizokwazi ukuthi uma kushisa ngiyosebenza nenye i-unit. So, lomfana aboshwe, uma eboshwa lomfana lo ngingazi ukuthi uboshiwe angithi ama-cell phone awakabikhona.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=11530.0,11560.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/733","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Awekho...Mmmm...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=11560.0,11561.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/734","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO:  Ya ngingazi ukuthi uboshiwe ngilokhuze ke...Uyazi yena ukuthi ebusuku ngiyaphuma. But kubekhona into engiyi-notice (sayo) mangiphuma ebusuku e-strange. Mangiphuma ebusuku la ngidlula khona kunemoto epakiwe idimile, ngisho ngithi lemoto i-dangerous lemoto yahlala futhi 2 or 3 days. Ngithi hayi lemoto lena hayi ngeke, la ngiphuma khona mangithi...uyabona izindawo zaselokishini kufike kube ne-stoop uyaphuma uthi[ukhombisa ngezandla] lemoto le hayi ayikho right lemoto. Kanti lemoto eyama-SB kushukuthi abesangibheka i-routine yami uyabo.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=11561.0,11600.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/735","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Ya.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=11600.0,11602.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/736","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO:  But manje inkinga angikwazi ukusuka ngiyidubule lemoto mhlawumbe ngizodubula abantu aba-wrong, mhlawumbe izigebengu zizizele ezindaweni zazo zizozenzela izinto zazo. Hayi, kodwa nginokuyisola lemoto isho my sixth sense ukuthi...Mhhmmm...ayikho right lemoto. Line izulu ngingabuyi uyabo, ngibuye sekusa, ngibuye izintatha ngikhathele ngiwuba, liyana izulu lento yaseThekwini lina nje continuously lingayeki ukuna. Eyi, ngingene la mangifika khona, mangingena lapha eyi ngimanzi ngithi hayi nx...ngiyisosha vele isosha...Thina kunalento ekuthiwa there is no raining in army uyabo, kuthiwa ayikho imvula...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=11602.0,11641.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/737","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kwi-army uma kuthiwa liyana izulu, liyaduma kuthiwa there’s no rain in the army nginaleyo principle[angimuzwa] kushaya imibani kudabula imibani sise-shooting range sidubula izibhamu nilale phansi nithathe i-position nilale ngezisu nidubule kunodaka la kushaya imibani nishaya i-target. Niyatshelwa nje ukuthi there is no rain in the army, so nginaleyonto nami ukuthi hayi man noma ngimanzi there’s no rain in the army iphele lento yokukhathala. Hayi ngibuye ngifike lapha hayi ngivule, mangingena nje lapha ngikhathele ngilale. Eyi, mhlawumbe aliphelanga i-hour ngilele. Uyabo khathi ubuthongo bungena deep ngiphaphame sengikhonjwa kanje[ukhombisa ngezandla] ngezibhamu nangama-search lights kanje sengikhanyiswa kanje.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=11641.0,11688.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/738","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Awuboni lutho.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=11688.0,11689.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/739","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO:  Futhi ukhathele awuboni lutho mfethu nje uyabona nje lento, there’s no rain in the army, kanti kade onkabi bengi-monitor (risha). And ngenhliziyo ngithi ya man, kodwa ngayi-suspector leyamoto kodwa manje awukwazi ukusukela imoto ongayazi. Ngithi ileyamoto akukwazi ukuba enye. Hayi, bangishaye ngesibhamu ekhanda ya!","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=11689.0,11708.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/740","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Manje mangiphaphama la, khathi ingqondo ibuya ukuthi hayi ngiyaboshwa la ngizofuna isibhamu, isibhamu sami siphansi komcamelo i-pistol. Ngesikhathi ngigijimela kusona ke bangiphuthume iwe iqathake i-pistol bese bethi ha, ufuna ukusidubula i-terrorist leli li-train (nile). Eish, ngoba ena if ngangisitholile isibhamu...if ngangibone before ngangizosidonsa, kwakuzoliwa kwakuzofiwa, kwakuzoba nezidumbu lapha. Eyi ngiboshwe kanjalo. Ngiboshwa ngikhathele kade ngimanzi because there is no rain in the army...[uhleko]...le-principle uyabona nje...[uhleko]...Ngizilalele nje ngithi...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=11708.0,11750.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/741","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: And manje usafanele u-connect (e) nokuthi, kanjani?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=11750.0,11754.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/742","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO:  Ya, akakabuyi lomuntu engimthumile.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=11754.0,11756.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/743","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Ya, ukuthi kodwa kanjani.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=11756.0,11757.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/744","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO:  Ngaze ngabona sengiya e-court ukuthi oh, waboshwa lo wakhipha i-information. Manje kusho ukuthi ubesayi-crosanta ngamxolela ngasho ngathi hayi ubesafunda phela, yena bengisamthuma nje uyi-Corean uhambisa information, hamba uye endaweni ethize uthinte ubani. Ngoba ngangifuna ukuthi ngivula a new unit ngibe established ngixhumane nabo ngoba yangilahlekela le ngithi mase ebatholile laba uzokwazi ukuthi ukubathinta laba, bathinte u-Dan, bathinte u-Pass Four uyabo.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=11757.0,11784.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/745","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ngaboshwa kanjalo nje. Eyi, ngasho ngathi ya man! Kanti ngangisho ngithi in my mind, uyazi ukuthi mina angeke ngize ngiboshwe...ngithi mina ngeke ngiboshwe into engeke yenzeke leyo kuyofiwa nje, ngeke ngize ngiboshwe ngiphethe isibhamu. Hawu ngiboshwa kanjani ngiphethe isibhamu? Makhuthiwa surrender ngizomane ngithi[ukhombisa ngezandla] ngisidonse ngishaye kucace ukuthi ubani owazi isibhamu kangcono uyabo, so nganginaleyonto ke ngaboshwa kanjalo ke.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=11784.0,11811.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/746","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE:  Hayi bhuti mhlawumbe asiyibambe la okwanamhlanje.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=11811.0,11813.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/747","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO:  Ok. Okwanamhlanje?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=11813.0,11814.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/748","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Yebo okwanamhlanje.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=11814.0,11817.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/749","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO:  (Uhleko)...Ok, hayi ayikho inkinga, ayikho inkinga. Kodwa injani iyezwakala?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=11817.0,11822.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/750","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: I-grand. Before sivale. Imibuzo?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=11822.0,11826.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/751","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO:  Oh, ya bafwethu imibuzo kade ngikhuluma isikhathi sini manje? Haaa...kukhona umuntu okhuluma isikhathi eside kangaka engathi uyahola","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=11826.0,11834.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/752","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Or sobuye siyibuze?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=11834.0,11837.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/753","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO:  Noma nichazekile, phela kukhona ukuchazeka uthi heyi, engathi ubuka i-movie u-James Bond...[uhleko]...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=11837.0,11848.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/754","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"PHILANI GABELA: Sorry, benginombuzo owodwa.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=11848.0,11850.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/755","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO:  Ya.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=11850.0,11851.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/756","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"PHILANI GABELA:  Ukuthi ngesikhathi usuka uhamba uyojoyina, kukhona la wake wazisola khona ngokuthi eyi, ngabe kungcono ukube wavele wasala ekhaya wangahamba ukuyojoyina umzabalazo.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=11851.0,11863.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/757","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO:  Oh, ukuthi mhlawumbe khona la ngake ngazisola khona yini mhlawumbe?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=11863.0,11866.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/758","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"PHILANI GABELA: Wazisola nje, yebo.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=11866.0,11867.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/759","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO:  Hayi!","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=11867.0,11868.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/760","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"PHILANI GABELA: Usubona noma ukuthi impilo yakho isisengozini noma isisengcupheni.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=11868.0,11871.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/761","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO:   Phela angithi mina khathi ngiphuma, ngaphuma sengifunwa ama-SB sengizoboshwa. So, kufuneka ngi-choose (ze) whether ngiyaboshwa noma ngiyaphuma yinto yokuqala leyo kade ngihamba nje yayilapho into njengoba kade ngisho ukuthi ngaphuma kanjani esikoleni. Nanokuthi isikole sethu, i-Lamont High School yayi-politically, yayi-very politically i-Lamont High School. Ngikhumbula ukuthi kukhona i-part engingayixoxanga nje ukuthi before siphume sasihlangana sipolitika ngokwama-students, sipolitika emasontweni. Uyalibona isonto elikaXundu leli lapha?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=11871.0,11903.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/762","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Ya.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=11903.0,11904.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/763","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO:  Kwakupolitikwa kulona e-Chesterville e-Baptist kwakupolitikwa khona. E-Claremont kaDabeka besihlangana nje kodwa angingenanga kuma-details e-student politics uyabo bengisabeka nje ilokhuzane. So, akukho la ngazisola khona ukuthi ngihambelani, vele ngangifuna ukuhamba mina. Mina ngangifuna ukuzo-revenger angithi amabhunu ayedubula ama-students esibulala singama-students sibulawelwa i-Afrikaans nje ukuthi asifunde i-Afrikaans ngenkani one, two zonke izifundo azibe nge-Afrikaans kuthiwa wonke umuntu.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=11904.0,11933.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/764","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sithi ayikho ke leyonto you can’t have Afrikaans as a medium of instruction. Uzoyifunda kanjani i-Maths nge-Afrikaans, i-Geography nge-Afrikaans, uyabo. Yekake ukuthi uzofunda i-Afrikaans nge-Afrikaans but sengisho ukuthi ezinye izifundo uzozifunda kanjani nge-Afrikaans that is one. Two, safunda ukuthi akuseyona i-Afrikaans sekuyi-Bantu Education the entire Education ye-Bantu iyabheda. Elokishini sasiyi-understander ukuthi oh, it’s not about Afrikaans it’s Bantu Education yikho kunemfundo yabantu neyabelungu kuneyabanye abantu.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=11933.0,11964.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/765","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Oh, thina sinikwa i-Bantu le e-inferior efundisa ukuthi kufuneka ubheke ukuthi uyahola ekupheleni kwenyanga, usebenze efemini ufake i-overall elibhalwe igama lefemu. Libhalwe u-PRASA uyabona, Pick N Pay abelungu abayigqoki leyonto ngeke umbone umlungu egqoke into ebhalwe Pick N Pay umuntu omnyama loyo i-Bantu Education, indlela esi-trained ngayo uyabo. Then from Bantu Education ngabona ukuthi oh, ok it’s not i-Bantu Education its system isiyonke, i-apartheid system okufuneka siyilwise the entire system ye-apartheid. Ngathi uyazi ukuthini, le-system ngizoyilwisa vele kade ngiyibuka lento.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=11964.0,11999.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/766","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esontweni sengiyibonile, ngiyibonile ekhaya, ngayibona elokishini, ngayibona esikoleni vele asinayo i-option uyabo angizange nje ngizisole ngoba ngithi vele kufuneka umuntu alwe. Mayefa vele isosha liyafa, isosha lifa empini vele alifi kwenye indawo isosha lifela empini mawufa, ufela empini bayosala abanye bayoqhubeka. So, this was my thinking ukuthi la ngiyolwa manje ngizothatha isibhamu ngiyolwa manje ngiyimpi nje ayisekho enye into. Yikho nganqaba makuthiwa angiye esikoleni ngathi angiyi esikoleni angilibeki lapho bezama ukungi-convincer ngathi angilibeki lapho, esikoleni angilibeki. Ngeke bathi beshisa izikole ekhaya bese kuthiwa mina angizofunda e-exile. Babeya abanye esikoleni wawunikwa i-option yokuthi uya esikoleni or uye ebusosheni, ngithi ngifuna isibhamu...[uhleko]...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=11999.0,12049.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/767","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"PHILANI GABELA: Oh, imuphi lonyaka lo owaboshwa ngawo?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=12049.0,12051.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/768","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO:  1978, 1978 ngaphuma ngo-20...hayibo ngo-1991 ngahlala...ngangigwetshwe 22 years. Ngangigwetshwe 22 years sakhishwa i-agreement asikangeni kuleyo part, enye i-part leyo esisazongena kuyona.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=12051.0,12068.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/769","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Ya. Mmmm...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=12068.0,12069.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/770","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO:  Mina ngangigwetshwe u-22 years","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=12069.0,12071.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/771","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"PHILANI GABELA: Uboshelwa?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=12071.0,12072.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/772","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO:  Ama-activities e...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=12072.0,12073.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/773","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"NKULULEKO ZACA: Uboshelwa kuphi?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=12073.0,12074.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/774","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO:  Ngaboshwa eMlazi ngayiswa e-Maritzburg. That’s why ngagwetshwa e-Maritzburg ngase ngiyiswa lapha e-Loskop Pretoria ngadlula e-Condemn Cell la kuhengwa khona abantu, ngayiswa e-Robben Island.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=12074.0,12088.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/775","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"NKULULEKO ZACA: Oh, waya e-Robben Island?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=12088.0,12089.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/776","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO:  Ya, ngahlala e-Robben Island, 13 years bengiwuhleli e-Robben Island.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=12089.0,12096.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/777","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"NKULULEKO ZACA: Oh, uyamazi ubaba uSipho Msomi.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=12096.0,12097.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/778","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO:  USipho ngiyamazi, waseLamonti?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=12097.0,12098.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/779","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"NKULULEKO ZACA: Yebo.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=12098.0,12099.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/780","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO:  Ya, ngiyamazi uSipho Msomi benoQonda Msomi?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=12099.0,12101.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/781","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"NKULULEKO ZACA:  Yebo.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=12101.0,12103.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/782","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO:  Nabo...[angimuzwa]...I-unit yabo babenoBheki Cele kwi-unit eyodwa ngiyabazi bafikela kimina, imina engabahabulisa befika elento...mina ngase ngiyingqongqo yakhona yomhabulo babehabuliswa imina.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=12103.0,12117.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/783","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"NKULULEKO ZACA: Ubaba uSipho uyi-tour guard yakhona e-Island","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=12117.0,12120.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/784","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO:  Ya, bafikela kimina oSipho yonke leyagenge yaseLamonti nalo owu-General kumaphoyisa u-Zero uThuso. Uyamazi uThuso Chika","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=12120.0,12128.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/785","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Mmmm...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=12128.0,12130.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/786","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO:  Ok, ya ngiyabazi.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=12130.0,12133.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/787","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"NOSIPHO DLAMINI: Indaba niseMaputo mangicabanga indaba yama-starters. Manje labelungu ababengamaxoki babazi ngani ukuthi ubani okumele ashuthwe nize nitholakale ngezithombe usuboshiwe bathi wuwe lo. Like makufika abantu bazi ngani...[angizwa kahle ukude kakhulu ne-recorder and ukhulumela phansi]...ba-identify kanjani ukuthi umuntu sekumele ashuthwe oyi-target nisehotela.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=12133.0,12154.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/788","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO:  Ehhh...ehotela manifika...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=12154.0,12157.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/789","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"NOSIPHO DLAMINI: Njengoba uthi nje[angimuzwa please go back to this one to be sure what’s being said... ANC sinabantu kanti abekho.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=12157.0,12159.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/790","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO:  Alright. Angithi umuntu osebenzela amabhunu uya-trainer (nwa) ukuthi how to identify ama-strangers. Uma uyi-stranger uyabonakala nje endaweni ukuthi akuyena owala lo. One, asikhulumi isiPutukezi sizikhulumela isiZulu noma isiNgisi, akusibona abala laba. Two, nendlela esigqoke ngayo angithi thina sasigqoka umphando uyawukhumbula umphando i-solidarity, sebeyazi ukuthi ababuya kwi-training laba amasosha uyathola, ubona ngomphando nje uthi, hayi lezi zomphando. Nami bengiwubona umphando ngiseMaputo ukuthi lo...sibuya ko-trainer. So, kushukuthi labantu akade beyizimpimpi zamabhunu kade besi- targeter ngendlela ebesigqoka ngayo ne-language, ne-age sasibancane.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=12159.0,12200.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/791","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Ya, ne-movement.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=12200.0,12201.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/792","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO:   Ne-movement uyabo, so kuningi umuntu kade ba...angithi ba-train (niwe) so, bayakwazi ukusi-identify ithina ebesingakwazi ukuba identifier thina sibona abantu nje. Angithi thina sifunda ubu civil, we are learning ukuba ama-civil so mawufuna i-civilian life uyafunda kuphilwa kanjalo i-civilian life mawusubuya ebusosheni. Siyaqala ukuyo-trainer, siyaqala ukuba amasosha, siyaqala ukungena ku-civilian life sisafunda. So, that’s why kubuye kube nama-mistake, trial in error ukuthi eyi asifundeni ukuba ama-civil bafwethu sifane nabanye abantu uyabo.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=12201.0,12234.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/793","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"NOMFUNDO NXUMALO: So, lento yokuthi amaxoki i-ANC yayingekho babenijika ingqondo.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=12234.0,12237.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/794","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO:  Hhheena...yayingekho phela amabhunu ayefuna wona ukuthi...kwakuyi-propaganda yawo.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=12237.0,12241.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/795","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"PHILANI GABELA: Dilute...[ukude ne-recorder akuzwakali kahle uthini]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=12241.0,12242.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/796","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO: Dilute ukuthi no, u-ANC iwona onibophile, uyena othe boshwani uyabo.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=12242.0,12246.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/797","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"ALL:[ Mmmm...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=12246.0,12247.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/798","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO:   Kunjengo-Eskom...sithi sibona kucishwe ugesi, uhlanganaphi u-ANC nogesi. Anginixoxele esinye i-story...[Angimuzwa kahle ukhuluma uyashesha akasazwakali]...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=12247.0,12254.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/799","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Ok.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=12254.0,12255.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/800","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO:   Kweminye imizi uma sekuzophakwa...[uhleko]...sebekuxosha kuye kubuzwe, mhlawumbe uhleli lapha, uhamba nini ugesi bakukhombe ngamehlo uhamba nini ugesi. Sebefuna uhambe wena uyabo, wena ucabange ukuthi ugesi kanti kushiwo wena...[uhleko]...Kuthiwe uhamba nini ugesi uyabo. Eyi uthi nawe sengiyahamba...kuthiwe usuzohamba ugesi manje, nje uyahamba ugesi kanti uwena ugesi uyabo. Sebeyaphaka ke onkabi uyabo, phuma uhambe basale baphake uyabo.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=12255.0,12283.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/801","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So, nalento ya-Eskom, u-ANC... u-ANC uyabo ucisha ugesi. U-ANC owenze lokhu uyabo yonke into...ilento abayibiza narrative propaganda. I-narrative usuke uqamba amanga athize or usho into ethize engalona iqiniso ulokhu uyiphinda baze bayikholwe abantu. Kuthiwe uyazi u-ANC lo ocisha ugesi uyazi, kukhona abathi ucishwa uRamaphosa, uRamaphosa uhlanganaphi nogesi? Kuno-Gwede Mantashe uyi-Minister ye-Energy, kuno Ramokgopa Minister yaka electricity. Uma uthi wena ucishwa i-ANC or ucishwa uRamaphosa.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=12283.0,12319.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/802","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Uwucishelani uRamaphosa ugesi? Mayewucisha yena kwakhe uzokhanyisa ngani, uyayizwa leyonto? But lento yokuthi u-ANC ocisha ugesi kufuneka uze uyikholwe, amanga yingakho kwakuthiwa sama terrorists balokhu bephinda bethi sama-terrorists baze bayikholwa naabantu ukuthi thina sama-terrorists. Kuthiwe i-terrorist...ehhh...lidla abantu, ngamdlaphi umuntu uyabo, uma ubona mina ngiyi-terrorist mina mawungibuka...[uhleko]...Phela kwakuthiwa sama-terrorist belokhu beyiphinda, iyi-narrative propaganda...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=12319.0,12344.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/803","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"PHILANI GABELA: Amaphekulazikhuni.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=12344.0,12345.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/804","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO:  Amaphekulazikhuni ya, ibona impela amaphekulazikhuni asengaphakathi kushukuthi vele...bezwa sesingaphakathi vele sesi-operator uyabo asengaphakathi. Amaphekulazikhuni, amaphekulazikhuni uyabo, belokhu beyiphinda, phinda baze bayikholwe abantu.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=12345.0,12360.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/805","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"NOMFUNDO KHANYILE: ...ANC...ishintshe umqondo wabantu...[angimuzwa kahle]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=12360.0,12363.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/806","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO:  Exactly i-narrative. U-Hitler, uyamkhumbula u-Hitler wase-German. U-Hitler wathi yena amanga kufuneka uwaqambe zonke izinsuku aze abe yiqiniso ulokhu uqamba amanga zonke izinsuku, uqambe amanga aze abe iqiniso. Uthi, you must tell lies everyday until lies become the truth, bayi believer abantu ukuthi it’s true lento yabo, i-propaganda. And amabhunu ke a-train (nwa) ama-German, a-train (nwa) u-Hitler, anayo lento yokuthi anamanga njalo aqambe amanga njalo nje uyabo kuze size sikukholwe lokho.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=12363.0,12396.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/807","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Afundiswa u-Hitler ukuthi qamba amanga zonke izinsuku, lawomanga agcina eseyiqiniso. Abantu bayakholwa ngampela ukuthi u-ANC ocisha ugesi, wayewucishelani kuma...members makuwu-ANC ungacisheli ongeyona i-ANC uyayizwa leyonto. But abantu ngoba aba-analyse hayi, hayi u-ANC usicishela ugesi...Mnx...ngeke size siwuvotele yazi, ucisha ugesi. Asivotele i-DA izosikhanyisela i-DA, izoninyisa cishani nje ugesi izoninyisa. Niyivotele ke i-DA yenu izoninyisa...votele i-DA. Uyabo njengase-Israel nje, njengamanje lempi yase Gaza isi-divide (de) amaSulumane ase-divided.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=12396.0,12432.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/808","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kubulawa abantu lapha amaSulumane ayabulawa, kubulawa izingane nelokhuzane...Manje mawuyiSulumane uvotela i-DA, i-DA i-supporter u-Israel ukuthi akubulawe amaSulumane. Manje umbuzo uthi, uma uyiSulumane elinengqondo uzoyovotela yini i-DA? Uyayizwa. Are you going to vote DA uyiSulumane elinengqondo i-supporter i-Israel ukuthi akubulawe abantu wena uyiSulumane. Noma ungelona ke iSulumane asithi uwumuntu nje kubulawa abantu, uzoyivotela inhlangano ethi akubulawe abantu? Uyayizwa.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=12432.0,12463.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/809","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"ALL: Mmmm...Ya.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=12463.0,12464.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/810","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO:  So, yinto enjalo nje but bakhona ke abayithandayo hayi, i-DA bacabanga ukuthi i-fashion, futhi laba okuthiwa ama-model C nama-Clever Black kuye kushiwo njalo kuthiwe ama-Clever Blacks ayayithanda i-DA, hayi sizovotela i-DA nje thina. Yini leyo, Democratic Alliance. What is Democratic lapho? There’s nothing Democratic but mekunama-Clever Blacks bafunde u-poison lento yokuthi uyagwinya, uhlanze...uyagwinya uyahlanza wathola ijazi noma wathola whatever akutholile usebona ukuthi iyona nto ke.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=12464.0,12492.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/811","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Akabuzi ukuthi sisukaphi, siwobani uyayizwa? Sikuphi manje, siyaphi? Akanandaba nalokho. Yena unendaba yokuthi nje uyi-Clever Blacks ugwinyile wayihlanza lento ayihlanzayo, wathola lento ayitholile use-grand yena akanandaba nayo yonke enye into. Kanti amabhunu besingahlali ngisho kusofa bekunosofa wamabhunu, singathengi esitolo kuthiwa lesitolo...Olwandle singabhukudi njengoba ngisho ukuthi i-North Beach bekuyindawo...beyibhalwa, “Whites Only” utholakala lapho uboshwe...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=12492.0,12523.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/812","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUZIWANDILE HADEBE: Ne-toilet.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=12523.0,12524.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/813","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MUNTU NXUMALO:  Ne-toilet uyathola, kuningi kade kwenziwa amabhunu uyabona umangase kubuyiswe amabhunu, DA amabhunu lezingane zethu eziyi-DA ziyofunda lokho kusho ukuthini. Uyezwa, ziyofunda ukuthi oh, i-DA kanti yinto enje ziyofunda lapho ke mhlawumbe ingqondo iyoqaqeka lapho sekuphethe amabhunu.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=12524.0,12543.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/814","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ngoba amabhunu awanandaba nomuntu omnyama, akanamsebenzi nomuntu omnyama ungayini, ungayini...Naba oLindiwe Mazibuko sebeshiyile uyabo, naba o-Mmusi Maimane sebeshiye ngoba beyizilima? Sebebonile ukuthi hayi ayikho lento besithi lento iyasebenza ayitheshi lento uyabo, besezikhundleni ke angazi uma uzoba umashamplane lapha kwi-DA ungeke ube yilutho, ufuna ukuvotela i-DA uwumashamplane uyabo vele abanendaba nawe...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=12543.0,12572.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/64570/annotation/815","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"ALL: Mmmm...\n\nEND","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=12572.0,12634.623"}]},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["2022023_11_28_Sibusiso Timothy Nxumalo_v1.10_English_Transl [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/816","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"INTRO SONG","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=0.0,13.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/817","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e November 28, 2023, Muziwandile Hadebe, Reinhardt Hartzenberg, Philani Gabela, Nomfundo Khanyile, Nosipho Dlamini, and Nkululeko Zaca. We are from the Department of Sports Arts and Culture, Archives Oral History Unit. We are at Kellie Campbell, to talk to my brother ... we are talking with my brother Muntu Nxumalo. Brother, introduce yourself, say your full names, who you are and when you were born?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=13.0,46.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/818","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, no, thank you Bhungane, it is said that Bhungane are also Makhulukhulu. I know they like to lift themselves up they said they are big they are like Gods you see they raise themselves ...[laughter]... Yes, I'm a Muntu of Nxumalo. Muntu is the family name, that is popular because everyone knows me by Muntu. It's like a combat name Nganono name but Timothy and Sibusiso is the name, but they were never known. Maybe Timothy was taken from the bible that’s why it was not popular.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=46.0,76.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/819","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Maybe the Timothy in the Bible that's why it didn't flourish because they didn't know, or they said Timothy of the Bible or me? But I am Muntu Sibusiso Nxumalo ... ehh ... I was born in Chesterville in Mkhumbane. Chesterville then is a small township that was built in 1942. It was just called Blackhurst​ because they said others Bhlekesi, it was Blackhurst. It was managed by Miss Blackhurst who was sent by Sir Benjamin Durban, it was a black forest.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=76.0,112.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/820","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That's it why father Champion, Father A. WG Champion they called him Mahlathamnyama/ Black forests his nickname derived from there. ​ So, Blackhurst, in 1942 Ian Chester built a township so called Chesterville. Chesterville was temporarily… it was called a location; you are located that you are working. When you work you stay in Chesterville, if you don't work you.....there were Blackjacks, I won’t entered into it history.  . But I was born there, I was born and bred in Chesterville.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=112.0,143.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/821","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I am a township boy, I did all the good and the bad things in the township which all township boys do but normal things not extreme things, yeah. But I grew up as now I am aging, I will say I am {Nguboziyeweni/senior citizen?} because now I'm above 66 you see I'm getting old, I'm few years to the grave, I have left many behind.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=143.0,173.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/822","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e You were born which year?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=173.0,175.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/823","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e I was born in 1957 on August 5, I was born in King Edward there is a hospital called King Edward. So, I was born by my father Clifford Ndoda Nxumalo. Ndoda, they called him Ndoda because his family saw him as a man. My Father Clifford Nxumalo was a Pastor born by Fanono, my grandfather it was said Fanono we know him as Fanono, grandfather. He was … he was … grandfather was a fighter, there were involved in wars. Fanono was born by Mvayiwana.  Mvayiwana was a hero, I think in the wars that existed … the names of other heroes are not mentioned, but he was there at Isandlwana.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=175.0,224.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/824","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He was called Mvayiwana, who closed with other men’s heads, he closed with a men’s head. If you remember history of Zwide, of Nxumalo there was Ntombazi. If a king is killed a head will be placed by the gate. So, my grandfather, he found that nickname​ Mvayiwana it is said that he closed with a man’s head, if there was a war, he said here is the head when he returned from the war.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=224.0,251.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/825","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Our history is problematic because we know, father, grandfather and great-grandfather and we do not know anyone before them. I remember in these events that were held in Durban, Sun Coast... Ottie Nxumalo said we should mention our history mention 7 people who gave birth to you, it was very difficult some did not know their grandparents.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=251.0,277.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/826","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes... Mmmm ...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=277.0,278.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/827","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e Others do not even know their fathers. I think maybe it’s another thing that should we fix in history, to know we are born by who. It's good to know the Bible know Abraham, Isaiah and Jacob but know who your father is, who is your grandfather, and great-grandfather. If you do not know them its means something is lacking mentally. A nation with no history is a dead nation, it means you are dead while you are alive, you are what is called, a walking corpse.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=278.0,305.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/828","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So, as my father born me there was my mother, my mother was Alice Nomabhunu. They called her Nomabhunu because she was light skinned, that why they called her a Boer. She originates from Ndwedwe, from a Jali. She is MaJali in the Jali family that was popular in Ndwedwe at that time, there was a grandma known as Manana Jali, our grandmother. They were associated with Makhathini's family but it’s long history that began at Ndwedwe, at Thafamasi. Mother, her father was Fanono ...no, it's Cornelius because Fanono was my paternal grandfather. Cornelius. My mother spoke highly of him, she would say I am born by Cornelius. She was very proud of him, and we did not understand growing up in the township, we would ask who is Cornelius? How do we associate with Cornelius? …[laughter]… Cornelius Jali, you see and my grandmother.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=305.0,360.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/829","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Grandma … oh I didn't mention on my father’s side, I spoke about my father only and mother. My father’s mother was a Ndlovu, MaNdlovu her name was Cupheni. It is said that when incense is burned in the family she is mentioned because she is the ancestor, they say asiCupheni Mpongo, Zingelwayo she came to do what was happening. When growing up we will visit rural areas and we were told there they are, there they are. So, mom, on my maternal side as I have mentioned that grandfather was Cornelius, but he was born by Blantshi, there was one called Blantshi, my great-grandfather from Jali.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=360.0,410.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/830","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But grandma, my mother’s mother came from Makhanya, she was KaMakhanya, who gave birth to my mother. … ehh … grandmother from there, there was a lot she was famous for. And as she was Makhanya, my grandfather Blantshi married MaMthembu, so my roots relate to Jali, Makhanya and Thembu, you see on my mothers’ side. On my father's side, its Ndlovu because grandma was a Ndlovu, MaNdlovu grandmother but great-grandmother it was said she was…...what was said to be her surname … I cannot recall her surname well. I would hear her praise names, there were a lot of them that why you would end up not knowing. It means she was not well-known in the family, in my own thinking.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=410.0,479.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/831","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e You don't remember the praise names, praise names of great-grandmother?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=479.0,482.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/832","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e My grandmothers praise names…. what did they say…. but I think there were her praise poems…because if it was a praise names, I would remember them. Yes, they spoke about her, even though it was done in passing, in what in English is termed in passing. That why I am saying this is really our problem, we do not know people who gave birth to us, that’s why there is a song, who sings this song? That says you have forgotten you are born by whom, there is a lady who sings that, she says you have forgotten you are born by whom. Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=482.0,512.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/833","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=512.0,512.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/834","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMANTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes. And indeed, we forgot ourselves, you know yourself only, you say no it's me whereas you have roots where you come from.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=512.0,519.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/835","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e Now these ones then your grandparents, and great-grandparents where did they originate from?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=519.0,525.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/836","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, father was born in Ntshongweni, my grandfather moved from Nongoma. People of Nxumalo they originate from Zwide they are called Zwide, they left during wars of Shaka they dispersed. At the time Zwide's war broke up the other of ... There are some called Soshangane who left he went to Mozambique; he arrived in Mozambique he encountered the Portuguese and Shangane, upon arrival he fought them and led Soshangane because they are also family there are sons of Zwide. Then there one called Makigwana, Makigwana and Ngungunyane who arrived and led in Mozambique, they are still in charge. And if they look into their history, their history reaches now because even Samora Machel the one killed by the Afrikaners in 1989, killed on his plane, killed in the cabinet.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=525.0,577.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/837","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I remember 29 people died; the cabinet was shot there Afrikaners were called. Ehhh ... Samora Machel it is said that he is from the family of Zwide, related with Makigwana and Ngungunyane if you look deeper... if you look back… yes, it was their family. Others went to Limpopo, others they went to Limpopo, others they went to Mozambique, some to Zambia, some to Zimbabwe they dispersed. Zwide 's war scattered all because he had many sons, Zwide that’s why when they say praise names, they said Zwide, Mkhatshwa … Mkhatshwa was one of Zwide's sons ... Sidane Samaphisi, there was one called Sidane Samaphisi whom they irritated.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=577.0,625.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/838","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It is said Sidane Samaphisi … Maphisi looked at him irritated when he made him angry, you see, he said Sidane Samaphisi. Sothondoshe then if they called him, they said Sothondoshe, you see, Sothondoshe is the normal one. They love it the small gang from the township, wow Sothondoshe you see, I see there is something specific which it indicates. Then there is Manqele, Manqele is also a Zwide’s, but Manqele's he was banished from Zwide according to history. At the time the Zwide's war broke out troops used medicine when they will fight. So, Manqele looked and say these girls are taken by other people, he courted within the family, you see.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=625.0,668.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/839","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"There are those who had that thing, that is why he was named Manqele because you are courting at home, that is why he is called Manqele.  Another one again who is the son of Zwide is Masuku, Masuku there was a way in which they punished him at Zwide because soldiers will say if he goes to war he must not eat.  They didn't eat after all as they were poured with intelezi/traditional medicine to be aggressive and fight, that is why Zwide war is always spoken about. And Masuku ate at night whereas it is not eaten that's why he is called Masuku because...in fact you don’t eat at night according to the law, in full he is awuDlebusuku. And he was then named Masuku because in time of war he eats at night, they called him Masuku.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=668.0,708.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/840","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e He's a scumbag.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=708.0,709.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/841","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e heh heh … he's slurring indeed. He was babbling according to today’s that wow; here it is the law that when going to war we don’t eat. .... Wow, we are going to war here, instructed not to eat, we are poured with traditional medicine, and you eat, how will you fight when you are full, you see. Because must fight hungry so that you will have anger, and short-tempered.  That's it why they say a hungry man is an angry man, you see.  hungry man is an angry man you see. In general, when you a person is hungry that became angry. Another person can be short-tempered, it’s not that they are short-tempered, his hungry and that why he is angry.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=709.0,735.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/842","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e Hmmm ...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=735.0,736.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/843","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, there is that history then and when you look... if you read a book by Mandela titled, Long Walk to Freedom in its introduction Madiba explains that amongst the Zwide generation….he said King Zwide wrote to someone saying that King Zwide said Mthembu, Abathembu are the 8th generation of Zwide meaning Zwide are Mthembu. Recall that Mthembu originate here, and they moved across to Nciba.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=736.0,767.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/844","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So, they said Bathembu are Mandela’s all their….. Sopiki, Msibi it even includes Holomisa, and Gungubele they mention Madiba on their praise names, they call the Madiba’s. These are all Mthembu’s. They say if you count from Zwide they…generation. Mandela explains this on his introduction, if you read The Long Walk to Freedom, it explains it. You see that the nation of Zwide was a large nation and wide, even the time when the war dispersed all over the world. Because there are those who went down to the South, North, there are those who went to the West, you see, there are those who went to the East.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=767.0,813.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/845","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e Now you ... the ones from home when did they arrive here?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=813.0,816.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/846","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e No, well us here...I was born in the township of Mkhumbane / Chesterville... like I have explained that Bhlekisi was part of Mkhumbane, it was a part of Mkhumbane. Father was born in Ntshongweni, they then left Ntshongweni at a young age due to death of their parents. Then they their parents died when they were young. Then left in search for work, when he arrived in Durban ... heh heh ... they were eight siblings, there was Aunty Rose, the last born. His eldest brother was ... he also left to seek employment in Johannesburg also, his other brother who comes after him … father was second born in his family. There was his older brother whom they called Nsimbi, he left to look for a job in   Johannesburg they didn’t parents.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=816.0,864.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/847","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So, the two amongst the eight had to look after their siblings as some were still breastfeeding. My younger uncle maybe you know him Uncle Alfred, he recently passed on he was in Mkhonto Wesizwe. We didn't meet with him we crossed paths because by the time I returned he left but we normally chat, he used to live here in Mkhumbane also in Mayville as a soldier in Mkhonto Wesizwe. So, that was my uncle, the last born in my father’s family, there were eight in total, there was aunty in the middle. Uncle Robert, Uncle Frank, the older one called Vikinduku was the first born in the family.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=864.0,905.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/848","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e That one is Nsimbi?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=905.0,906.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/849","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, it’s Nsimbi, it was Vikinduku, then my father It was Clifford Ndoda, then it's Frank born after him, then its Robert, then its aunty Clara, people called her Clara they lived in uMlazi... Uncle Robert live in Johannesburg to date, the Nxumalo family still exists in Johannesburg. That’s why if I go to Johannesburg, I normally visit, and I just sleep over. The last born was aunty Rose.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=906.0,931.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/850","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e So, after Clara who follows?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=931.0,935.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/851","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e It was Vikinduku, my father, uncle Frank, then uncle Japhet, Japheth resided at Mashu J.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=935.0,946.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/852","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, Japhet is number 4.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=946.0,947.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/853","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes Japhet, its Japhet then Aunty Clara staying at Umlazi N, aunty Clara is number five. After aunty Clara its uncle Robert who lived in Johannesburg, he was number 6, and then its aunty Rose. Aunty Rose stayed at Ntshongweni, you see, but we visited at Ntshongweni... you know rural areas if you grew up in the township you only went there if something was done but visiting rural areas you don’t see the need and its boring. When you were kids, going there to do what because there were cattle’s, you see? There was nothing attractive in rural areas. The way we grew up, and the things saw, we grew up in the township there is nothing you saw that pulls you to rural areas. We are only seeing it importance now when we want land, that this is land…. because our ancestors and grandfathers some had land.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=947.0,1014.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/854","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Now when we arrived here, we stayed in Municipality land you see, that's it why Sifosonke Mpanza, Magebula who plowed the land of the municipality. This land is said to belong to municipality, we don’t have land here in cities, even if you buy a house. When you buy a house, you are buying the walls, just a structure the land is not yours that why they give you permission, you are allowed to occupy, you see. What kind of a thing is that you are given permission that you bought they say its PTO (Permission to Occupy). Wow excuse me! Many laws then, their laws, apartheid laws which will be discussion of another day because we entered the struggle, we said we won’t stand all this, we cannot stand what is happening and we won’t allow it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=1014.0,1065.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/855","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We said, you know the only thing one can do is to fight, fight the laws because you find that you don’t have anything.  Because even if you have money, you will buy bricks and you will be granted permission to build, that permission and land is not yours, only bricks are yours. Bricks are yours, whatever you build, you build something good a mansion but only bricks are yours. When you leave it's either you destroy it or sell it. And it gets worse because in these urban areas when you buy something on credit you pay until you die, it what is called money with a beard, money that never ends that you pay continuously, you see. So, that's the life we lived with, but when I observe that’s why my family was just scattered but it was good because if I wanted to go to Johannesburg, it's fun in Johannesburg I visited Uncle Robert, I left for Johannesburg.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=1065.0,1128.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/856","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I arrived at KwaMashu to my uncle Japhet you see when you want to go there, wherever you want to go. I grew up in that environment. Even though it was hard growing up, when we were growing up because when you are born by a Priest you grow up harshly. Firstly, as priests’ children you are locked up, something they called confinement, you are confined.  Father stayed for two years here maybe let say here in Morningside, they changed him, what do pastors say always ... there is something they said was policy. Father was a priest at the Baptist Church, Baptist had a missionary society. In the missionary society, white people oversaw the missionary society that made a policy of priests, both white and black. For whites, you stayed in one place until you are old. The missionary society was white those in charge the missionary society that did it the policy of the clergy all of them they are white and the black ones. Us, a black priest stayed for two years and thereafter there are relocated to another place. You see this thing of changing locations.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=1128.0,1188.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/857","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"What was painful about that thing, that I noticed is that no, you arrive and stay in areas build friendship, attending school here, have friends by the time you get use to them you are moved to another place, and stay start all over. You know to build a friend, start afresh school, you are studying, you go to church and attend Sunday school you see hurts How did you start? down the school you learn, you twist You go to Sunday School, you see, you attend church, you play soccer now you even know a club. you go and, in the church, you're kidding and football you know the club. At the time you are starting to get used, he is relocated taken there, you see that thing.  to it has been removed father he is being taken to this one, you can see it that thing that one. Another thing you know this is nonsense and I won’t stand this. ​​It went on, it went, it went I said you know what I will fight this, this thing of missionary society and via policy, there was what was said to be via policy. If a priest gets a gift, it doesn’t come directly to him even if it comes from overseas it will start at missionary society, and they will check if he deserves it…. … [laughter] … then it comes to him you see. If he doesn’t deserve it, it will be kept at the missionary society, because I recall that father once travelled with a bicycle.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=1188.0,1251.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/858","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I asked why he was travelling with a bicycle while white priest travelled with cars. He rode a motorcycle ...and then in the township you know when you are studying you, how you provoke one another with other kids, here you just tease. Now when you are riding a bicycle there is no way you won’t fall, if you ride a bicycle, you are bound to fall because you will slip fall. Now at school if he fell off the bicycle, they will say wow you father fell of the bicycle. You see how this thing affects you when you are studying, you will feel that yes man that this is what you are doing how read it , hear it that Ya man, you know what ... you try to speak you, they will say your father is your father, he fell of the bicycle, you don’t have a say there. … [laughter] … Hey, you find that you are limited, whatever you want to say you see. It is said there is nothing you can say, your father fell off the bicycle. You don’t know anything about your father falling off, but now this thing involves you, you see.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=1251.0,1301.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/859","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The township thing, you see, what they call bullying it has many forms​ you see ... bullying is something that exists, that he feel of the bicycle…....they don't know what was the cause for the bicycle to drop him off. On the road there are municipality buses that has oil and its slippery you cannot not fall. But it become an issue if you are attending school. I don’t know how many times father feel of the bicycle, hey, I will arrive home and say no this bicycle must go telling mother. I would say mother, this bicycle must go no at school I cannot say anything because they are taking about that father feel of the bicycle, you see that thing Bhungane its hurts. So, some things you get that you just observe them... I know that people who are believers say, \" no we are believers \" they don't know that oppression goes in all levels even in religion. In religion there is oppression just sitting here [shows hand]. You see in this battle of Gaza in Palestine some speak nonsense, \" I'm on the side of Israel\".","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=1301.0,1357.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/860","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I say hey, do these people understand what they are saying? We say there is the issues of Palestine. “No, what Palestine, how do we associate with Jews a child born by Hagar”. The you see that they don’t understand this thing they take bible as it is and forgot that these Jews that are here, they killed people, Zion from Israel they are not the same as Abraham they are two separate people. Abraham is the ancestor for all of them. I normally try to explain it as…nkomisa…that it goes in this manner, no you will find that heads are stubborn, for them, they stand firm that they support Israel. He who touches Israel touches Jehovah. Hey, no, now don’t, now we are touching Jehovah whereas its people…. explain it and even say look at a closer example…. you see here in South Africa there are Afrikaners, there is Broderbund the one that oppressed us with AFRI-Forum, the whole of Broderbund is for the Afrikaners, they are Afrikaners Broderbund you see.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=1357.0,1425.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/861","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=1425.0,1426.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/862","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e They say oh! I would say yes that how this thing is, those who kill people in Israel, Zionism they are the Broderbund of there. Secondly, as they there are fighting there they are being attacked by guerrillas, Hamas, Palestinians, Liberation Force. These guerrillas that are fighting them there … the problem is that the media doesn’t show us the truth because South African media is rotten there is no use of journalists just there is no story for journalists. I began hating journalist if a person speaks, I will say no, no hang on. Because I will say this and release it and say I said. I only release half, and say this person said, and you will be pushing that agenda…. what they call narrative.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=1426.0,1467.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/863","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Because the media doesn't tell us the truth people don't know what is happening. Another one they … are marching, I am also in the march, we normally march…I marched many times on my return from Johannesburg at Heidelberg to march. We also had a march in Durban, another march in Port Shepstone, a march here in Morning side we were entering Florida, we closed it.  we went let's march … ey then I marched often we are coming back in Johannesburg Heidelberg we will march. We had a march in Durban, it was and the march in Port Shepstone, and the march in Morningside, we entered Florida and closed it. We arrived there at St James Park we went to the city we normally march. Someone asked after the march. Someone asked when we were done marching, tell me Muntu why are we marching? I said Hey, you are even sweating but you don’t know why you are marching. Some don’t know what the march is about they just see a march, you see, they also join, you just see people marching you see.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=1467.0,1502.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/864","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e You are putting on this scarf?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=1502.0,1503.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/865","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eHUMAN NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e Put on the scarf and everything you are asking what the march for… [laughter] …I saw that there is a problem we must educate.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=1503.0,1511.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/866","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e Did you educate him?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=1511.0,1512.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/867","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eHUMAN NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e Hey I educated him, I laid it, explained, and explained to other Muslims that were marching others didn’t know why they were marching, just marching for their relative being killed.  were also marching for the murder of their relatives. I educated all of them, I called them to come, and we had a discussion, and I said look here, this thing originates here, I started it from the bible because they are doing distortion of the bible and want to use it here. Whereas bible is just a history book, it has a lot of things that it speaks about but its history…. that’s why even Jesus had history of whom his parents were? It doesn’t know it history, I educated and explained of where this thing starts from, it goes like this, and this. He said oh, this is how this thing is, and said ooh, you see now I will march even more. I said yes, continue because I am also marching because if it’s a march, we are all included.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=1512.0,1565.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/868","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Of course there are not marchers, other look at a march like this … [showing with his eyes] … They said why I am marching because I knew what’s oppression because we knew who it was like under apartheid. Those people in the parliament at Palestine, they supported us the Palestine Liberal Organization, the PLO. Yasser Arafat is the president, he was always with Mandela even after his release Mandela went to Palestine, he addressed them, and Yasser supported even with resources not just orally/by saying that I am supporting you. There are those that will say you are in our prayers you see, and some will say we like what you are doing, you are in our prayers, but prayer is not enough…..put us in your prayers, what are you doing to support.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=1565.0,1609.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/869","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So, I usually say PLO was a sister organization to the ANC. We are luckily we know PLO because upon our arrival in Angola, in 1977, while we were in Rwanda Engineering, we encountered with PLO guerillas. Arafat came there to address; I was happy to see Arafat you see. Because for me, people in the struggle who were my heroes apart from Mandela upon joining politics were Arafat, it was Fidel Castro of Cuba. You see when you speak about those, I listen to you, but when you are talking about others I just listen, these are the top dogs, talk about the main man.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=1609.0,1652.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/870","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e And Chekhov?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=1652.0,1653.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/871","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, Chekhov that one was a bull. Remember that’s the line of Arafat and Chekhov's line no. ..","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=1653.0,1661.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/872","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"… that’s the same line you see, and all those, I am speaking about African leaders in general. And those that were murdered due to their principles, you see, killed for the truth.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=1661.0,1673.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/873","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e And Lumumba?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=1673.0,1674.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/874","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e All those including Patrice Lumumba. And heroes... those are my heroes. When I speak in general, maybe when I educate you, maybe you are writing. I will ask, ooh, what are you writing about? You are writing about Africa?  He said no, I am just writing about friction. I will say no, if you are writing about fiction let me leave you to it, there’s nothing can educate you on if you are writing about fiction. If you are writing about non-fiction or write about autobiography or about history, I usually indicate that these are the writers read a book written by Emmanuel Macron. Go and read... you see, I would explain that you will see the African writers because they are the writers that I discovered they wrote what was true and when they write they teach you, when they write. The time you read you learn…you get educated.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=1674.0,1720.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/875","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The problem is that people, there are some people that are unteachable. No there are unteachable, you will teach a rock it will learn before that persons learn because other people are unteachable. you can teach a stone read it unteachable he because unlearned other people. If his mind is stuck. Now the problem is our education system, of Bantu Education where we were taught to swallow and vomit, vomit and get a degree. And now if a person swallow and get a degree they see themselves as educated, that why it was in distance for people because education is yours when you are educated you don’t well the community, that education is useless. I studied alone. You are lying, you didn’t study on your own, the money that paid for your education you don’t know where it was coming from maybe it was a loan shacks money, this money was coming from somewhere. Maybe there were people who supported you, and now you are saying you studied alone because you didn’t educate yourself. Some say they educated themselves.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=1720.0,1766.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/876","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I once said this other day going to pay bride wealth, they said this child is educated she has so many degrees. I said hang on-don’t include this money on the lobola money, are we paying for education now? They said no…I said may I ask, while she was studying, we want to ask, was there NSFAS? Because if there was NSFAS that money is the reason why she is educated, so don’t say include it on bride wealth. Isn’t when you pay bride wealth you negotiate? Other asked, what is NSFAS? I said it’s the bursary that give students money to study, so don’t say if a person is educated their fees were paid by family, the family educated her, you paid for her or you are including they NSFAS money. They said no we don’t know we can call her. I said, please ask her one question while she was studying, did she receive NSFAS, they called the lady, lobolo negotiations were on hold. I said, may I be the one who ask her because I understand, and amongst the negotiators I was the one in charge, there is also a chief negotiator.... [laughter] ...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=1766.0,1833.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/877","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, the chief negotiator.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=1833.0,1835.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/878","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e Chief negotiator Yes. No, we called the lady, the bride we are here to pay bride wealth for. No, it’s a girl…She’s only called a bride once she’s married you are a girl if you are not married. Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=1835.0,1848.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/879","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=1848.0,1848.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/880","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes. Girl, were you studying? He read ... the coat ... and he said yes, it is. At the time you are learning did you get NSFAS? He said yes. I said no thanks. It was said not as... like no he has agreed let's not let him go let him be free because we wanted to find out This story of NSFAS you see, because after all people they like to count things that no we taught him. A person if he taught him, if you raised him work yours to free him I won't to count, other parents they want that I said they are investors if teaching child. Now he wanted a child not working do it things its, pay it he I fed them. Of course she gave birth to him, a person let him bring him in the world want feed him, you won't count that he fed him wow​.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=1848.0,1885.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/881","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e ...[laughter]....It’s your responsibility.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=1885.0,1887.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/882","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e Exactly, exactly that’s why there is support grant but let leave that it’s another thing we are talking about.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=1887.0,1893.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/883","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e Now then...Yes... But maybe let chat we have already touched on the struggle topic.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=1893.0,1900.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/884","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e Mmmm ...Yes","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=1900.0,1901.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/885","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e How did you join? The very first time, or let's start ... no let's start like this. When did political consciousness began?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=1901.0,1913.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/886","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e Hey! That’s a difficult question because when consciences begin you cannot tell its starting now because you became aware that no, this thing is happening…. You see, like me I was raised by a priest, we grew up attending Sunday school, attending church. I looked at this thing on churches of other people, we attended Baptist, it was called Bantu Baptist Church meaning its black peoples Baptist, you hear that it’s for black people its Bantu. There was Baptist Church that included white people. I observed this thing because I recall when I asked grandma, grandma why are our churches separated and white’s peoples own beautiful. There was Baptist that was located here in West Street, at Pixley Seme Street. We went there while there was a function, that church is beautiful it’s for whites, its decorated…. you see. Hey, as the service goes there is singing, hey, their choir dresses nicely, you feel that thing. In due course, I will look all the beauty here.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=1913.0,1994.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/887","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wow, then you arrive in the township our church is just a house it doesn’t have anything. I would say wow…. say grandma, why is our church different from that of white people are we not worshiping the same God, you hear that. Grandma will say no don’t ask that, don’t continue to ask…you were dismissed when you talk or ask something. This consciousness continued I would say wow, our things are different. So, another part of consciousness is that you become conscious if you ask about certain things, but you are not aware because when you ask you don’t get answers. Then when we were growing up, while still studying, by luck or bad luck I was not studying I…. I was doing physics and math’s. The physics gang usually think they are the smart ones, that thought so which is false. And secondly, we were discouraged to do agriculture, they said if you were doing agriculture, you were stupid, you see, we only realized later that agriculture is land. We later realized that oh, as we are fighting for land Afrikaners don’t want us to learn agriculture that made us not to like it, hate agriculture you see.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=1994.0,2071.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/888","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"They infiltrated that spirit, So, while we were studying there was a war in Angola in 1975, and war of Femoral in Mozambique of 1974. We went to Femoral at a tender age, we went to Karisfontein. When we arrived here in Karisfontein we were bitten by dogs. So, when you were bitten by dogs you go to the clinic, when you arrive, you get arrested, and it was said you were free morally. Why were you arrested now because you were attending a rally that was organized by black consciousness, SASO and BBC. I began to say oh…it means you get arrested here…. We loved Samora Machel, we loved Samora. Samora Machel, you see, he was always Samora, but they didn’t explain a lot of things about Samora we listed on Radio Freedom. That’s why I say my conscious had many levels, there is one at home, church, apartheid and the one I explained what happened when he was given a gift. The via policy and that thing of being relocated, always being moved, you see, you end up…, you cannot be settled in one place.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=2071.0,2140.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/889","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"When you arrive in a nice place you said, eish, I wish we don’t move out of here, two years you are relocated you see that was part of church. Then there is that of a township, things happening in the townships. When we were bitten by dogs at Karisfontein some were arrested for being bitten by dogs while they attended a rally. When Angola gained independence in 1975, ANITA and FNLA who else…...and NPLA though we didn’t understand it clearly because South Africa showed Savimbi, Jonas Savimbi like…. we loved Savimbi you see, a soldier beard wearing combat. We will say you see here is there is the story we are going there. But in 1976 when the killing of students started, we began to say no, there is nothing we can do we don’t have an option, let us go and seek guns so that we can attack Afrikaners because they are killing students.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=2140.0,2202.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/890","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The numbers started with hundred, two hundred, five hundred and when it reached seven hundred. We said no, seven hundred students have died. When we began tracing that thing, we discovered that no, as students we don’t have an option. If we are being killed for our rights he needs to fight back and it’s also that we belonged to student bodies.   started he said one hundred, two hundred, five hundred he said let it come at -seven hundred. We said, seven hundred students have died. We say if we follow it that's the thing, we found that we, as students, do not have option. I was a member of SASM, the South African Student Movement in Durban and I was in charge in Chesterville, Claremont and Lamont, we meet and chat as SASM. But when this thing of Afrikaans appeared that it will be medium of instruction, we said no, no, how can you learn Math in Afrikaans. And apartheid laws…. there was a lot that was done by the apartheid because you will find that we were patient. At times you will find that hey, you know something must done. So, consciousness developed in levels, consciousness in cities there were areas for white people written “whites only”, “nonwhites”. Even at restaurant, you couldn’t buy anywhere, there were places to buy that were for whites, whites buy here, here black people buy, you see.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=2202.0,2272.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/891","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I just recalled the is another story, it is said there was an Indian that was arrested while swimming in a white area. You see in North Beach, all of it starting when you are walking by West Street all of it, and then South Beach was for blacks. Even though it is combined now but you can see there is that element the way north beach is clean, and the way South Beach is dirty. It is narrated that an Indian swam in South beach then when it when to court it was arrested for swimming in whites beach, in a white area. Even chair, some were written “nie blankes nie, those are white peoples chairs, and black people chair, even at parks. If an Afrikaner will find you seating in a bench written “whites only” maybe there are three of you sitting in whites chair, he will slap you all at once…. rrrriiiiiii … with a slap repeat it with a slap move and run away you will see that this thing is said. go away run away see that this is painful. It is said an India in a white’s area and was arrested.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=2272.0,2331.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/892","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"When it arrived in court it asked what the name of the ocean, he was swimming on, what was the name of the ocean that I was swimming on? Response was Indian ocean. He said I am an Indian so you cannot tell me that I cannot swim in an Indian ocean, I can swim in Indian ocean. It is said that how he won the case you see…..[laughter]…Indian Ocean it  doesn't matter if it’s an area for white people. He said no, but it’s an Indian ocean, it stood firm that its Indian ocean... So, that's why I say there are levels of consciousness, there are many levels, the life we lived with the thing of carrying a pass, we carried school pass while we were young when we didn’t have passes. If you didn’t carry your school pass you were asked what you are doing in the city during the day because you cannot be in the city during the day, what do you want in the city during mid-day. You see at Market Square in Victoria there is a bridge, Black jacks will stand there and stop, if you want to cross there would want to see your pass, you will see a person doing a U-turn they didn’t carry their pass, now they see they will be arrested.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=2331.0,2390.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/893","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"In the township if you are seating, sleeping in the night, by 1AM police will knock, knock, knock. The Black Jacks. When they arrive, the first thing they want is a house permit maybe someone is visiting from rural areas, your relative. So and so, that will call out that persons name Muntu Khumalo this side, Bhungane this side, Phumlani this side the one not listed what do they want here, is arrested .You see that thing, the life we were living that’s why we talk about apartheid….children of today don’t understand this, they are full of confusion, but we don’t blame them it’s just that they are not taught, people who are not taught you cannot blame them, you can blame people who were supposed to teach them. You see the life we lived that we were living a unstable life its where you need to be…..If you were visiting you had to report to the police station that you are visiting.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=2390.0,2440.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/894","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Here in Chesterville there was this so-called Kito's / Cator Manor of Kito. You go to Kito to report that there is someone coming from Ndwedwe, maybe its uncle’s child coming from Ndwedwe, you must write that its coming from Ndwedwe, he/she is visiting, the duration of the visit. You cannot stay as you wish, you here that, for such a duration. We said, when we were reading history of apartheid, we saw this thing is terrible, carrying dompass you see, not the ID reference…hheee…there is what is called dompass it was long that could (showing his hand). And when we complained saying such a huge thing and they said it has been reduced it used to before it was this big (showing with his hands). You see, we hanged it around our necks as a slate written Somizi Hadebe from Nanda seeking for work, or from Nongoma looking for a job and how long you will stay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=2440.0,2491.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/895","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Once its expired, what written here if police read it, you get arrested, section 10. If you get arrested three times you are sent, kicked out of Durban, and never again set foot in Duban, you see. So, all that life conscientized, that no well men something must be done here, we won’t live like this forever, something must be done. So, that’s why I say this thing called consciousness, that’s how I got conscientized it’s not the same thing.  that's how I got conscious it is not one thing. You see if you live with something at home, township, city, school you see that…... Hhheee ...no, there’s such a thing. And this thing of Radio Freedom, that we used to listen to Radio Freedom.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=2491.0,2537.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/896","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e Who introduced you to Radio Freedom? How did you know it?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=2537.0,2541.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/897","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e Hey, it was listed to there was a friend of my Sabelo Ngobese. Sabelo Ngobese was much older than us, he said let listen to Radio Freedom based in Zambia, it was based in Zambia at that time, the, Radio Freedom. We listen to it, but it entered, but it didn’t process well, the sound was not clear, but you will hear that hey, but this is the voice of the African National Congress. It is said that no people can be oppressed forever, we say yes, this thing will not last permanently.  Hey, we listened, and listened it said we must take up arms, we say no man we reach there, you see. So, all these things happening we had a solution because black people were not allowed to join the army, in the SANDF they were not allowed it was white people.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=2541.0,2584.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/898","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"To the police their rank​ ended with sergeant, it did not pass sergeant, that's why when you are a sergeant it is said wow sergeant you have arrived. Sergeant he was a person of high rank, you see it was said sergeant. You saw others pointing at him sergeant an old man the old one it was said this is a sergeant, meaning it’s a big dog, you see, it is the highest rank. Major, Colonel, Lefthand, whoever, Brigadier ... Hhheee ... it didn’t exist on black. When you just enter the police force, you join to be a sergeant, you see. All this thing we question that how come we are sergeants, there is a white person, this person is the General, this white is Brigadier, a Major, why are we sergeants. So, all that conscientized us, you see, it was an eye opener, our eyes were opened in many ways, the lives we lived, where you went and people you live with.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=2584.0,2634.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/899","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e Now, where did you listen to Radio Freedom?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=2634.0,2638.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/900","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e In the township we opened short wave 2 [couldn’t hear because his drinking water] there was short wave 2, I have forgotten what it was, but we looked, it was not clear. It has been said go, go well, Mkhonto, Mkhonto ... gunshot. We said you see here, hey we are coming there, you see. So, it caused us to have a burning desire we wanted the gun now and go shot the Boers. So, it’s another thing that conscientized us, so Radio Freedom knew how to increase our level of understanding. Because somethings in South Africa were not mentioned, we could hear it on Radio Freedom on what was happening in Angola, what happening in Mozambique, we heard it on Radio Freedom even in Zambia that Zambia has gained independence, when will we be free?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=2638.0,2685.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/901","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So, that’s what motivated and conscientious us… you see. And then, there were people working underground in the ANC, they worked, issuing pamphlets and leaflets that were material, a person you say, hey there is something we are learning here.  When you finish reading it, we took turns in reading it, you will see that no man, something is being discussed it here. to read it we took turns with us we read it you see. That's why I say the ANC underground operators did a lot of work in terms of reading, they had material, you see, they had materials, made us to read it and begin to be conscientized, and we said ooh, this is what needs to happen. So, our consciousness was on many levels, because at a religious level it was there, at an education level it was there, social in the community you see everywhere you go. So, you had no option, yours was to decide what you decide to do in such a situation.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=2685.0,2744.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/902","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e So, then during that time you began to be involved in that manner...ehh…have SB arrived to you?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=2744.0,2754.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/903","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yes, the reason why I had to go from here and leave the country is because I was a student leader. SBs were looking for us, we were then wanted. I left the country while I was studying at Lamont High School. Ehhh … there was a teacher, Miss Makhathini was political, a teacher but you wouldn’t see. She explained this thing secretly, you see. You will hear that this teacher is explaining what we heard on Radion Freedom and this thing we…. you see, but Miss Makhathini hides it, that Miss Makhathini. I only discovered late that ooh she is from Johnny Makhathini who is the secretary of the ANC.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=2754.0,2794.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/904","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, yes ...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=2794.0,2795.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/905","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e The General secretary of the ANC. Miss Makhithini taught us, and she would state this thing, you see. The SBs will arrive, they came here, Lamontville had double stories, two floors, we found that there are -SB here looking for us because we were ...it was just three of us who were student leaders. Ehhh … it was said that they were looking for Timothy Nxumalo, the intercom was recently installed at school. Timothy Nxumalo, Timothy Nxumalo was called in the principal’s office. For us, you wouldn’t go in the principal's office not knowing what you are called for, you first ask the teacher, why am I being called? Teacher will say, no SBs are here. I said no you see from here; they will not find me.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=2795.0,2836.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/906","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e Miss Makhathini said that?​","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=2836.0,2837.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/907","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yes...Miss Makhathini said there are SB, and they want you there. Haaa ... I said no I will be arrested here. There was a pipe, this one for water, I went through the window, I hit everything, even books, I left them behind, I went down with a water pipe. At the back I went down until I reached the bottom, I hit myself there. water went down until I arrived at the bottom, I ran. I ran and went to the township. When I reached home, I was informed that SBs were looking for me here, wow! We said you are at school. I told them that they looked for me at school. I went to Sabelo because Sabelo was at Seventeen, I said Hey Sabelo. He said go, go, you are now be searched by the SB, go now. H we must go to Bill, there was Bill Bhengu who was a lawyer, he was amongst the underground gang, he gave us transport money. He instructed us to take a train and drop off at Golela, pass Mkhuze. They called us 10/10 because we travelled with (10;10)","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=2837.0,2887.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/908","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"At night?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=2887.0,2888.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/909","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"At night, yes you will ride 10/10 but don't put uniform police will arrest you, go and change. No, we hurried at home whereas there were some that were waiting for me at Durban Station. When you arrive at station you will find Themba Hubusha, Cosbert​ waiting with Stheni Nxumalo. Stheni was my relative, sister of Mzala Nxumalo. They were waiting for me, course they were wanted Stheni and Cosbert because they said Gayo Nxumalo has left. Gayo left last week, SBs came to his home, he left, he is no longer hear. Meaning since he has left, you are wanted by SB. When you arrive at Durban Station you will meet Stheni, there is Stheni and Cosbert Hubusha. It was said go and take clothes, even if its dirty clothes, it’s just for you to change when you arrive at Mkhuze because we left wearing clothes. He said you must not be…..you can wear formal from Durban Station but don’t wear formal wear uniform cause SB is looking for you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=2888.0,2943.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/910","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Again, they wanted students a lot, it was during the 1976 uprisings they wanted students. Hey, I found them indeed I went to Durban Station, I wander there, I find them there in another place, sitting by the toilets looking on the other side, not the side where trains are coming from.  Facing where the train passed, you can see that they are hiding. I found them, they said Hey we have waited a long time for you here, there were no cell phones, you looked for a person physically, it is said that he is here on the trees, you must look and find them on those trees.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=2943.0,2976.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/911","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I found them, carrying my backpack and clothes to change, is it they reached there first. Do you have clothes to changes? I said yes, I do have, they said that’s alright. So, we went like that then we waited, we stayed until it was 10 o'clock at night we boarded on the train called 10/10 that train boarded at 10;10 at night we are going in Golela. But it was said when we reach Mkhuze we should change and wear dirty clothes because SB’s will enter, indeed SBs were full in the train. When it reached Mkhuze Station they were carrying albums with photographs, luckily, they didn’t have our photographs.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=2976.0,3012.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/912","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yes, you quickly got up?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=3012.0,3014.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/913","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, they didn't have our pictures you see. Hey, yeah where are you going?.........","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=3014.0,3023.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/914","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"(I couldn’t hear what he is saying) The story is when you are going you will say, no we are going to uncle at Phongolo, someone died at who, and who., we just had a story.  Open the album, looked at us, they checked the album, you can see that they checked and checked. They said you are running away. We said escaping to where, we are not escaping we are going to uncle someone died. They checked and checked the album, and saw that no, we are not there on these photographs, and they passed. We said Hhuuu! There is the story…stuff you see... [laughter] ... we say Hhhhuuu! [he coughs]. It means luckily, they didn't have any of our pictures, we were not arrested, because if they had ... they were looking here.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=3023.0,3068.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/915","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Again, they arrived before we reached Golela, they came again, we said we are going to Golela someone died, we explained that no, it is said we will drop of and be fetched by a car. They said if we escape, they will catch us at the border. We were told how we will go because Sabelo briefed us. Sabelo was the one in charge of our journey and all that. If you go you will arrive at a certain place someone will be expecting you and will give you money… someone will talk along the way, not all of you will speak, if you are asked where you are going so and so is the only one who will speak. The thing is we were briefed so our thing was solid, you see, and that we know where we were going and what was happening, you see. So, there is this thing that when you arrive at Golela Station you will enter a restaurant and buy there, you buy and don’t leave at border and go back, you see.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=3068.0,3119.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/916","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e Come back by rail?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=3119.0,3120.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/917","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, we return by rail come, go along railway, if you go along the railway sit down maybe then you go for about a kilometer away, seat there by the bush and wait because there is patrol. The patrol, patrols after the train, if the train arrives it patrols its patrols and go until the next one, now it patrols once. So, they had all this information they do reconnaissance. Because the time we were sitting there we saw people going, meaning it was the patrol, patrolling people that were trying to escape, and then you will first arrive at Normans Land, from Normans Land you arrived at Swaziland in Lavumisa.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=3120.0,3157.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/918","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e It's noon now?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=3157.0,3159.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/919","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, its morning, is it we left at night ...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=3159.0,3161.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/920","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e You left here at night?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=3161.0,3162.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/921","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e Ya, it's morning. When we arrive in the morning there, on the route we are travelling with there is a boy called Mabheyana, I don't know from where, he is the one assisting people to cross. We said we want transport to Lavumisa … we want the bus going to Manzini, we are in Lavumisa station. He said how much will we give him, we said wow! He said I will not take you to Manzini if you don’t give me any money. Hye, we combined out cents here, we gave him, and he took us, meaning this boy was making money just a young boy who is very smart…","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=3162.0,3197.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/922","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e No, he was super smart.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=3197.0,3198.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/923","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e Hey, he was smart, assisted people to cross here. When you arrived, he said how much will you give me.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=3198.0,3205.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/924","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e Now, how did you find him??","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=3205.0,3206.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/925","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e No, we met with him just accidentally meaning it’s his job. When we walked and chat with him.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=3206.0,3210.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/926","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e Did he see you?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=3210.0,3212.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/927","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, he can see that we are cross, you see. We said, you are the one who assist people to cross? He said yes, but if you don’t pay, I don’t assist you to cross. Wow!  We said wow who is this thing, if you don’t pay you don’t cross, meaning you can even get arrested there, you see. We were worried that we don’t get arrested, we cross and arrive at Manzini bus station, I mean Lavumisa, at Lavumisa we will take a bus to Manzini once we reach there, we will be safe. Even there Swati people will stop us and great, Gentlemen!","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=3212.0,3241.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/928","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e But you carried the instruction that…..","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=3241.0,3243.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/929","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e We had it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=3243.0,3244.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/930","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e Only one person speaks.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=3244.0,3245.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/931","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e Only one person speaks, the password and reply we were given is with one person not all of us. When we arrive at Manzini we found Mrs. Nduli, the wife of Joseph Ndulu, Comrade Nduli. Mrs Nduli worked at Danhands Furniture, when we arrived at Manzini we will go we went to Danhands in the city and asked for Mrs. Nduli. When we reached her, we don’t say greetings, we said, it should arm! You see, it’s the password. If we say they are inside she know who we are speaking about. You don’t just arrive, great and ask about health…. hheee. You see when we arrived there, we dropped off at Manzini, we looked for Danhands Furniture, we looked for a place and we Danhands we asked for Mrs. Ndulu, there were three of us…. when we found Mrs. Ndulu, Mrs. Nduli came you can see that she is a lady, but she is underground, you see, ANC. We said it should arm, they are inside, it was clear, and she took us to relevant contacts. unarmed they are in the middle; it was clear he helped us to relevant contacts. We left and we were taken to the safe house of the ANC.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=3245.0,3306.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/932","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e Who was she taking you to?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=3306.0,3308.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/933","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e She was taking us to Comrade Phungula, Pass Four.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=3308.0,3310.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/934","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e Pass Four?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=3310.0,3311.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/935","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e Mmmm ...the late Pass Four, she was taking us to Phungula.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=3311.0,3312.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/936","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANIDE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e Hey, men!","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=3312.0,3314.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/937","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e Because he arranged transport, a car took us to Manzini the house of ANC. Pass Four said he is just Pass Four, he didn’t mention his details, he said he is Pass Fout, you see. Wow, this old man what kind of a person is called Pass Four, you see, it is said that he is Pass Four.... [laughter] ... He took out snuff you see, he uses snuff he smoked, and smoked, he wiped his nose, I said hey, this old men called Pass Four uses nose cigarettes, you see, whereas he is a bull of underground.…[laughter]… the story of Pass Four… this old man called Pass Four, hey, we said comrade you see, Pass Four. So, we caught it there that it’s Pass Four, it was until we returned that we know that its Comrade Phungula, whom they called Pass Four you see, and maybe after 2 years when we returned from Mozambique, Zambia, Angola...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=3314.0,3367.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/938","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e No, we will go there brother. You stayed with Pass Four?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=3367.0,3369.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/939","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e No-Pass Four.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=3369.0,3370.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/940","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e No- Pass Four.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=3370.0,3372.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/941","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e They took in the safe house.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=3372.0,3374.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/942","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e Does he chat with you?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=3374.0,3377.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/943","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, he does chat, how are you? How is everything at home, you see. It helps that this is an ANC person. It is a lady, Mrs. Nduli is our contact….. Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=3377.0,3388.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/944","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANIDE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=3388.0,3388.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/945","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes. Meaning she is amongst the ANC contacts that we are also part of, we later figured out that this person is from ANC. But what we are more excited about is him being Pass Four, wow Pass Four, wow, what kind of a name is that...[laughter]... Because when we returned, we asked him why are you Pass Four, we were sitting with him when we were back, he said it will reach Pass Four…meaning if he said this person will reach Pass Four…. meaning that person will be in trouble. So, that was the meaning and context of the word that you see you will reach Pass Four. We didn’t know when it started, you see. When Pass Four took us we went to the ANC safe house at Manzini. In an area whereby it seems like there is no one, it is closed, the house is closed.  In the area which is like there is no person closed just in the house closed, we arrived, and we stayed there. We sat, ate and we just chatted, and others joined, wow! Greetings.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=3388.0,3441.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/946","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANIDE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e Who? Who arrived?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=3441.0,3443.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/947","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e Wow they all had code names. Ehhhe...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=3443.0,3445.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/948","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANIDE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e Ehhhe...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=3445.0,3445.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/949","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ehhhe... There is one called Makhasana, and it seemed Makhasana was Comrades Chiliza, if I look at him it’s the one who was an ambassador.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=3445.0,3452.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/950","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=3452.0,3453.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/951","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e This is Makhasana, is it they have their names like Pass Four, and Makhasana they all have different names, you see.  And Jase, Jase what was his name that he was called with…they called each other with code names, they all had code names. Hey, they told us, when we were chatting, that no it’s like this ... we have come to ANC here. We had a choice whether we study, or we go to war. We said, no we are not going to school, schools are burnt at home, we even study something that we don’t like, this thing of school we didn’t want. It was said we should choose because we were still young. To this other one it was said, you are young, you need to go to school. I said no, I am not going to school, I said no I am not going.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=3453.0,3491.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/952","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So, we were talking about that thing no, it either you go to school or war. Now in war only strong man are required, I said I ama strong man…..No, I will get strong there, you see. They then explained to us the history of the ANC that as you are here…. they asked us our contact, no we were sent by…..we contacted Sabelo Ngobese. It was said did you contact Bill? Yes Bill Bhengu, I am the one who collected money from him, they are contacts, they know. They attempted to ask us, we just talked, we talked that this is how it’s going, like this, like this. Because we only heard late when we were in Swaziland that Bill Bhengu was arrested you see, arrested by SB. How he got arrested we don’t know because we arrived and he gave us money, we left. He was a lawyer maybe it’s his office, and two Mdluli from Lamont was then arrested. uMkhuthuzi?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=3491.0,3543.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/953","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANIDE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e uMkhuthuzi?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=3543.0,3543.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/954","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e uMkhuthuzi? Mkhuthuzi was selling, we didn’t know that he is underground, Mkhuthuzi was selling he always carried something like a suitcase, he opened it, and people come to him, he chat with them, and they bought. He talked with people whereas he is giving them information, that go there, and there you see. We knew that Mkhuthuzi was arrested, they killed Mkhuthuzi.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=3543.0,3564.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/955","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e You heard while you were in Swaziland?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=3564.0,3566.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/956","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e We are in Swaziland yes, we found out while we were in Swaziland. Isn’t in Swaziland, RSA played, Radio South Africa, it played on news, and we were able to get them in Swaziland, we knew what was happening in South Africa. We were worried that Bill, we get it in Swaziland. I'm not in Swaziland of course RSA was entering of course Radio South Africa, was entering and just news we find them in Swaziland that it happened this is in South Africa. We were worried that how is Bill arrested because we….. is being arrested how because after all we … I even said he arrived, he only gave me money and I left.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=3566.0,3584.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/957","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e Mmmm ... even on the way you never divulge his name?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=3584.0,3586.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/958","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e Hhheee ... no didn’t divulge. The information you are given is yours only that why it is said that no everyone speaks there is one who speaks, this one will speak. For me, if I’m carrying money, I’m like a treasurer, here is the one in charge of money. The one responsible for the environment, that if you have arrived in an area what should you do, changes clothes, here is the one responsible. if you are coming in the area that it should you did how, you changed goods take off your clothes, here is the person responsible. So, we had those ... we had those duties just from the start you see, not that anyone can do anything, everybody fulfil their task.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=3586.0,3619.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/959","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Because I remember we were about to arrive at Mkhuze, it was said we will soon reach Mkhuze we were supposed to change our clothes and put on overalls be shabby, me too I was wearing mine you see, you looked stupid. You see, I am wearing like I am stupid, so that they won’t see that you are coming from the township, you just dress, you see. Even Cosbert, wearing his own things you see, wearing shoes of the same size but different, you see. Don’t be suspicious because police were on the look. But everyone had their own responsibility, this one does this, this one will do this.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=3619.0,3658.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/960","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e Are you peers with others, age wise?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=3658.0,3662.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/961","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU XUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e We were almost peers, but we were the same generation, we were two years apart.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=3662.0,3665.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/962","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e Ohhh.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=3665.0,3666.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/963","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e The person who was older than us was Cosbert. Yes, the older one was Cosbert Hubushe, Themba Hubushe, I was in the middle Stheni Nxumalo was the youngest. Because Stheni, when we arrived in Swaziland there was his brother … he was a twin brother of Stheni. Oh!","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=3666.0,3683.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/964","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh!","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=3683.0,3683.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/965","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh! You see he was a twin. Jabulani we were supposed to check we was studying at Mansapho; we must go to Mansapho to…. ANC said no, you cannot go to Mansapho. We said we wanted Jabulani. It was said that only Stheni will go, he will speak with him. We said no, we will cross with Jabulani we had planned that. It was said that it doesn’t work like that, you get recruited you don’t just cross.…[laughter]… we can even write a biography. We knew that you just cross and go, you see. It was said no, you get recruited firstly, secondly you are first check, as we were staying in that house because we stayed just a few weeks, I can’t recall exactly how many weeks, but we also wrote biographies.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=3683.0,3726.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/966","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"You wrote who you are, from where, you see politics how much you know it, we wrote biography not knowing why we are writing them. Also, in Mozambique we arrived and wrote biography again. Even in Zambia we arrived and wrote another biography, also again in Angola. We only discovered late that wow, we are writing the same thing, because we have already written it another place. It was said, no ANC wants it, this one is for here, they did want to tell us this one wants to check the biography you wrote in Swaziland and Zambia if it’s the same.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=3726.0,3762.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/967","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Because if its’s not the same there will be many questions meaning you are a rascal sent by the Afrikaners. Because you write this side and lie, not knowing that biographies are taken, there is machinery of biographies, you see. We knew that we were writing one thing, writing one thing continuously until its annoying, what will you write now? I wrote there, I go around and write, you see. So, we discovered late those biographies…. when we arrived at the camp because even at the camp you arrive and write a biography again. In the transit camp in Ruanda at Engineering, you write a biography. The camp was huge, it’s the same size as Morningside as a whole. \n\n.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=3762.0,3796.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/968","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e No, we will get back there. Stheni went to school to look for his twin brother?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=3796.0,3800.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/969","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e Stheni left, and when he returned he didn’t tell us, we said now what is happening, he didn’t tell us anything, you don’t talk it is said…...we were told that we don’t talk, you don’t ask, wow …[laughter]… Mmmm … we went and chat the whole journey, now you don’t each other anything. It is said... ... Hhheee ... you don’t ask, we ended there. You don’t ask because we were going to join uMkhonto Wesizwe its it said you don’t ask at Mkhonto, there was that thing that you don’t ask at Mkhonto. You don’t ask why is it like this here, you focus on what you we sent to do, you don’t ask anything else, that for another person it doesn’t associate with you, even if you know a person, even if they are from your neighborhood you just cross each other [showing with hands] You said this was is from home, they won’t say greetings so and so because we change names, isn’t you are given names, you are given new names.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=3800.0,3851.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/970","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e You… when did you get your name? Just you?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=3851.0,3853.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/971","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e Wow, we just got our first names in Swaziland, but when we arrive in Mozambique, we were given others.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=3853.0,3858.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/972","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e You are still sitting in the safe house? Yes, we are still sitting here in the safe house, we have other names.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=3858.0,3859.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/973","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, we are still sitting here in the safe house, we have other names.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=3859.0,3859.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/974","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, we are still sitting here in the safe house, we have other names. Oh, what was yours?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=3859.0,3861.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/975","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e I was Philipp Khuzwayo. I left and when I arrive at Mozambique ...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=3861.0,3866.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/976","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e Who gave you, you gave you the name?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=3866.0,3868.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/977","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e I was given by Makhasana, Makhasana is the one who named us, he said you are Philip Khuzwayo. Sometimes you tend to forget the name and call a person by their real name….and say no, no don’t call me by that name, you see. We reminded each other because we were not used to these name…you tend to forget the name you are not used to; you see. Yeah, you see that thing…[laughter]… It requires you to get used to it, you see, and we are a few, we are just three only, you see. If others arrive, you are relocated, you don’t stay together if others arrive you are relocated. But we were….","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=3868.0,3894.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/978","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, you don’t meet with those arriving?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=3894.0,3896.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/979","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e Hhheee … you can't be put together with the new arrivals, you see. We began the inside training, the in-house training carrying a gun. There is a gun Makarov pistol……….","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=3896.0,3906.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/980","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, ok.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=3906.0,3907.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/981","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e This is TT! We were happy saying that we want the gun that we will Boers with when we reach home…","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=3907.0,3912.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/982","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e Who teaches you there?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=3912.0,3914.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/983","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e Different instructors were coming, you are not told who the instructor is, you don’t know who they are. They arrive and enter here…. you are sitting there, as you are seated there is a programme that is known by them, that you don’t know off, you are just staying there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=3914.0,3926.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/984","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e You see a person coming in?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=3926.0,3927.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/985","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e A person comes in and introduce themselves and say a name you don’t know, you see that no here, because we saw that here there were names of legends, they are false name you see or ama ...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=3927.0,3938.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/986","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"...names. A person enters…ehh…greetings…. ehh……I am here to do 1,2,3 teach….we were happy when we saw an AK47, you see the AK .","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=3938.0,3952.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/987","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e Now then, the first gun they came with was Makarova?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=3952.0,3955.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/988","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e Makarova and TT.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=3955.0,3959.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/989","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e TT came with another one?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=3959.0,3960.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/990","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, it came with another one.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=3960.0,3962.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/991","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e Ok. So, then now at this time they gave you Makarova, what are they saying about it?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=3962.0,3965.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/992","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e They explained that Makarova is a Russian made weapon...but the history of the Makarova has 1, 2, 3... it works like this, like this, like this, you first start with it theory. You see like at creche course, and also how you dissemble and how to remove it. Hey we learned here, you see…....[inaudible]... disassemble...how to put bullets, how to shot, you see and we were happy. Whereas another one will come and just tell you the history of the ANC. We got bored, and we would as this one is here to bore us.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=3965.0,3999.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/993","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANIDE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e You want action?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=3999.0,4001.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/994","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e We want action we are here to fight; we don’t want all this thing you are telling us; we hear it, we don’t have a problem with it but we are here to fight you see, and our thinking is that when we finish here we are going home with the guns to hit the Boers, you see. Yes, we only want that thing the other things we are just listening, you see. Different people arrived…. hey when ….is about to arrive…..meaning when it is said we must go…oh, Comrade Duma arrived, there is one called Comrade Dum, who was hit by a bomb, do you recall Duma. meaning by the time it is said we can go…. oh, Comrade Duma came, there is one Comrade Duma who was hit by a bomb, you recall Duma?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=4001.0,4028.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/995","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, I recall him.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=4028.0,4030.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/996","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e Duma came to fetch us only, we were not told and because it is said you cannot ask here, we were taken to the car we left, not knowing where we are going, we travelled the.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=4030.0,4041.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/997","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e You still had your belongings?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=4041.0,4043.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/998","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, you are told to carry your belongings jah, you are told to carry your belongings as some people are coming in. So, there were safe houses if a new group comes the old one goes, you see. One group arrives the other one go.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=4043.0,4054.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/999","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANIDE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e Who cooks for you? No, we cook for ourselves here.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=4054.0,4056.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1000","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003ePORTABLE MAN:\u003c/strong\u003e No, we cook for ourselves here.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=4056.0,4056.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1001","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e No, we cook for ourselves here. Oh.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=4056.0,4058.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1002","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e We just cook for ourselves, we cooked for ourselves. Is it when you join the army you cook for yourselves because ...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=4058.0,4065.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1003","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e No, after all you, isn’t you...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=4065.0,4066.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1004","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e We are new arrivals.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=4066.0,4067.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1005","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANIDE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e Ehhh….So, they arrived.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=4067.0,4068.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1006","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e We were three when we arrived.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=4068.0,4070.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1007","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANIDE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e Those coming arrive at any time?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=4070.0,4072.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1008","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, and you don’t encounter with them. You stay for a certain duration and go, and others come.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=4072.0,4078.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1009","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e I mean…...no, I mean those who will educate you?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=4078.0,4082.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1010","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e Arrival of those who will educate us....","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=4082.0,4083.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1011","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e They come at any time?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=4083.0,4084.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1012","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e Anytime you are not told that they will come when... maybe so and so has arrive and say their name. No, we will see that this is not their name. We have understood this thing because we don’t use our names, we know from there that this person, you see. We sometimes forgot the names we are given and recall of real names; you see. Hey, I am Philip Khuzwayo, I am not Muntu, you see, and him…no, I am not Muntu I am so, and so. So, Comrade Duma came the one who was hit by a bomb, the letter bomb, we took us we left, you don’t ask you just take your belongings and go.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=4084.0,4126.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1013","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e He is the one driving?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=4126.0,4127.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1014","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes. We now say…. we thought we were going home because not we were taught a gun and AK we are now going home.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=4127.0,4134.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1015","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e So, who brought the AK?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=4134.0,4137.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1016","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e No, he introduced himself, he just had another name, other names of that place….","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=4137.0,4140.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1017","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e Now, the time he arrived you saw that this is an AK?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=4140.0,4143.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1018","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e After all we had a picture of AK.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=4143.0,4144.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1019","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=4144.0,4145.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1020","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e We had a picture of AK; he explains that you see this gun is {Alexandra Karnerlikof?} .​ He came with an AK47 with a folding part, he said you see this folding part you fold it, even when you are wearing a coat it’s not visible and grab it. [shows with hands]. You must put it across, you fold it, its invisible it’s like you are just dressed, you see. No, we are in a hurry for these guns, it’s the guns were wanted, the big ones. So, when we left, said no maybe we are going home, they are going to give us our guns along the way, whereas we though wrong, we are going to Mozambique, you see.  We saw when we passed through the Namaacha border gate, you see, we entered in Namaacha now ... because it is said no question after all. We saw it 442 kilometers to Mozambique Haaa! I mean to Maputo.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=4145.0,4192.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1021","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e To Maputo yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=4192.0,4193.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1022","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e Hey, hey, we passed Boane another of Frelimo camp 3 what, what, you see....320 kilometers to Maputo. Oh, heading Maputo we are just holding it there, we are looking at the signs you are not told anything here, you see. Hey, you will see that here we are living another life here, you reached Maputo, we arrived at a transit camp, we heard noise that there we South Africans there is noise of here, wala! Wala! Walaaa just noise you see, maybe it was break, you see.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=4193.0,4225.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1023","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I'm confused oh my, others they talk Sotho others are Zulu you see now the thing that strikes when we arrived in Mozambique, we saw Frelimo soldiers speaking Portuguese they don't know Zulu. We said what kind of a black person that doesn’t know how to speak Zulu, we didn’t think there is a black person that didn’t know IsiZulu. Wow, this person doesn’t know Zulu, but they are darkie, is this the real darkie that doesn’t know Zulu, you see, we are asking ourselves. This darkie doesn’t know Zulu, what kind of a darkie is that...[laughter]...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=4225.0,4255.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1024","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e But you were still young.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=4255.0,4257.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1025","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e Isn’t for us…it’s our thinking….","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=4257.0,4258.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1026","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e You are still young brother.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=4258.0,4259.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1027","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e We left school at a young age we wanted to fight you see, now this talking...[he speaks another one language]... We said Hey brother, how are you, the person will just look at you. You brother, who are you, you see. Eish, he doesn’t hear. Comrade Nde…. wow, you see he doesn’t hear. Wow, this is a black person, we said you see that this darkie doesn’t know Zulu you see, we didn’t understand that thing... [laughter] ... that there is person black person who doesn’t know Zulu, you see. We stay in Natal, our confinement is in Natal, if you go to Johannesburg, you are just visiting, he doesn’t know Sesotho he speaks another language and his black you see, there is now that thing. What king of a black person that doesn’t know Zulu, he doesn’t even know Sesotho that really a black person? So, we gathered our experience along the way, we said no here they are speaking Portuguese and Shangan, and use we don’t know Shangan, you are suffering you see.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=4259.0,4315.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1028","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e Now you, you don't remember Soshangane with Stheni.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=4315.0,4318.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1029","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e No, it’s history.... what can I say ...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=4318.0,4320.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1030","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e But you also discovered this thing later?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=4320.0,4322.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1031","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e We found out when we saw that hhhee ... here, the language that is spoken is​ Portuguese and others spoke Spanish. All the Cuban spoke Spanish, Spanish and Portuguese it’s connected, it’s similar to IsiZulu, IsiXhosa and Swati, just the words there, you see.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=4322.0,4339.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1032","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANIDE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e you arrive at transit camp.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=4339.0,4342.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1033","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=4342.0,4343.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1034","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANIDE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e There is this noise.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=4343.0,4344.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1035","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e Hey, there is this noise you see, we said yah, there are gentlemen from home here. Upon arrival you just don’t enter at…. you are kept somewhere, they discuss that someone will come to…..","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=4344.0,4356.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1036","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e Now, the time you are walking here, do the others see you the time you dropped off the car?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=4356.0,4363.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1037","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes... the car enters inside in the transit camp. Ohhh.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=4363.0,4367.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1038","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e Ohhh.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=4367.0,4367.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1039","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ohhh. Ya, it's goes inside the transit camp there is somewhere where it parks, and you drop off. The way you drop off is planned. We heard by nose that these are South Africans…South Africans have noise, because where they are there is noise, helelele! You check, and you see that this gang is from home, in our minds we thought we are going home after this.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=4367.0,4388.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1040","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANIDE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e They put you inside a house?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=4388.0,4389.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1041","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e They put us inside the house, and someone came to greet us.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=4389.0,4393.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1042","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e Comrade Duma?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=4393.0,4395.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1043","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e No, Duma was no longer there he dropped us and left. It is said here you don’t ask; we were told you don’t ask here; you only focus on what you are given and Duma, we didn’t ask him anything, you see. He introduced himself that he is……but there is a name he mentioned but it’s an unclear name, you see. We have already figured out that these names are fake. You are just given a random name, we also have fake names, each person had a fake name we won’t know who they truly are.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=4395.0,4424.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1044","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We didn’t understand why this thing was done, we understood it later that of it is done so that if Boers catch you, they will say they caught Pass Four they would not know…they know Phungula you know Pass Four, Eheee …You were with Makhasana whereas its Chiliza you see. So, there is thing oh, for underground purposes we understood later that no, it’s for underground purposes real names are not mentioned, we figured it like that, that no we now understand. But now, those are getting experiences whereas we want to go home, that what we are rushing for.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=4424.0,4461.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1045","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e You came and stayed in a room?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=4461.0,4463.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1046","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e We stayed here, our names were registered, we registered, and we were told there will be an interview we will write a biography. We said no, we wrote it in Swaziland, it was said... Hhheee ... that was for Swaziland, you will write one for here. Oh! We were taken and interrogated I think we were…it was close to lunch time; we were given names again there…. now you are given a name and here you will get another one eish……names you are used to. We were given names, no, we were told that learning takes place here, there are classes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=4463.0,4502.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1047","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e Who were you?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=4502.0,4505.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1048","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU XUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e I became Katusha here.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=4505.0,4508.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1049","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e Because now you are a real Portuguese.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=4508.0,4510.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1050","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU XUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes... I'm Portuguese and again of course I wanted a Portuguese name, you see., I thought I will be Samora Machel, it was said no, you see I'm Portuguese now. But not all our names were Portuguese, some were given random names. Once they have done it here…. they call you one by one for interviews, they interrogate you, you are taken to the class. It was said there are comrades that have arrived, it is not mentioned it’s so and so, it is done and come in and study.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=4510.0,4539.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1051","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e You are interviewed by whom? Who interviewed you? Remember brother that now we must take it step by step, we are taking you back to the memory lane.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=4539.0,4550.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1052","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e Eish!","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=4550.0,4551.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1053","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e Who interviewed you?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=4551.0,4552.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1054","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, isn’t you are not interviewed by one person, its different people, this one comes….","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=4552.0,4556.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1055","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=4556.0,4557.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1056","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e You see, he will write down there, isn’t we don’t understand the purpose of the interview because it is said write a biography and you write it, write it, write it, you see and then you…. people who will interview you come. You have already written your biography, the person interviewing you is looking at your biography, if what you write matches with what you are saying on your biography…. He left, and another one comes, you see. Since we understood its purpose…. we were irritated for writing the same thing, and again you are being asked the same thing, you see. We are irritated by that thing that oh! We said this thing in Swaziland…not knowing that there were people who said another thing in Swaziland and say another thing here.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=4557.0,4595.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1057","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yes, no, the issue was there. Others were our commanders in the transit camp, there was one called Dan, Dan was the camp commander in the transit camp. The advantage of a transit camps is that you take a break, go get some fresh air, and the at times go to town but not too far, you see, you are able to move. It’s not like in the safe house where you stayed inside and not go anywhere. A person comes and go, a person comes and go…you don’t go out. Wow, we only went out when we were leaving, it only Stheni who went out to look for his twin brother Dumisani, and he came back and told me what was said. But then, here at the transit camp you are separated you don’t stay in a group of three as you arrived.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=4595.0,4636.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1058","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANIDE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=4636.0,4637.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1059","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, you are separated, tends are separated you are just mixed. Not because you arrived with this person now you will stay with them, you see. Because I remember while we went for training after some few months we were not trained in the same place, we were all just separated, the three of us were mixed with other…. oh, we encountered with Gayo there then…","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=4637.0,4658.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1060","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, there ...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=4658.0,4659.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1061","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, Gayo Matola.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=4659.0,4663.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1062","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e On the transit camp that was in Matola?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=4663.0,4664.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1063","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, it was in Matola, we encountered with Gayo there in Matola, we meet Gayo.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=4664.0,4669.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1064","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e He was a Commissar?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=4669.0,4671.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1065","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e No, he also just got there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=4671.0,4672.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1066","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e He also just got there, oh, ok.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=4672.0,4673.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1067","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e There were Commissars here coming back from training. The one we meet was Sihle...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=4673.0,4680.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1068","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e Mbongwa?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=4680.0,4681.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1069","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e Mmmm ... yes, Sihle. What do they call Sihle, there is a name they call him with. Sihle we knew him from KwaMashu you see, but he was no longer Sihle it’s just that I have forgotten what they called him, you see. Them, they were coming from training, Sihle and other comrades, and other familiar faces we saw that oh. So, those who taught us is the gang that was gang from training, and there are different commanders, others teach politics, there are some teaching firearms, there is one teaching urban guerrilla warfare, there is one for tactic there were many different things, the MCW Transit Combat Work, you see.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=4681.0,4720.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1070","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e Ok.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=4720.0,4721.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1071","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e He just arrived....","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=4721.0,4722.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1072","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e And topography is included there?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=4722.0,4723.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1073","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e Everything is there... the commanders are different but not the same class​, you are different classes, there is class for it…you are told here is the material maybe there is twelve of you, there is your unit. But in transit you are mixed again, there is where we study so….so in politics, it was politics for everyone ...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=4723.0,4742.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1074","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e What are you wearing, what are you wearing, have they given you clothes?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=4742.0,4745.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1075","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e Hhhee ...we are still wearing our clothes the one we wore at……. I have my tracksuits and other clothes that…….We changes clothes when we were about to leave. When you are about to leave, they buy new clothes for and you go, secondly, they give you passports written your new names, not the ones you were named, there is another name and your photograph only. The thing is there is one who takes photographs, there is a lot of process happening there in the transit camp.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=4745.0,4777.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1076","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"You arrive, and photographs are taken, and you will not ask what the photographs are for, it is said come for photography you seat, and a picture is taken, you see, there is something you sign you see. So…you don’t ask because it is said we shouldn’t ask, you see. Then when you are about to go, they buy you clothes, they buy you new clothes that you will wear and when you get to where you are going you will remove them and get other ones. Now you were army’s, the combat you take your shoe sizes you see. The difference when it…. when you train you wear boots, normal boots it’s not the same when you are returning…","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=4777.0,4823.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1077","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e Ok, before that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=4823.0,4824.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1078","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e Sure.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=4824.0,4825.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1079","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e You moved here on transit?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=4825.0,4826.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1080","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e I'm leaving with others that I don’t know we have separated with Gayo, I have separated with him, I have separated with Stheni, I am also separated with Cosbert…","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=4826.0,4836.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1081","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e You are carrying this passport now?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=4836.0,4838.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1082","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, those who left first it seems like it was Stheni, the group of Stheni and others left, you don’t ask why they are not there…You see by a person not being there, you are not told people are going you see that a person is no longer there, that wow they have left, others arrive. Others go, others arrive, others go, others arrive, it’s something like that in transit. The class that you were allocated to its no longer it, you are placed in another class you see.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=4838.0,4858.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1083","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e So, then you left?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=4858.0,4860.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1084","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU XUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, we left.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=4860.0,4862.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1085","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e Where are you going? The time you left, isn’t you don’t know you are in the car…ok.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=4862.0,4866.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1086","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, but we are going to the airport, we see that we are going to ride the plane.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=4866.0,4869.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1087","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e You see by passports?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=4869.0,4871.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1088","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, we see with passports and tickets. Now, the tickets are there... there is someone carrying tickets, we see passports.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=4871.0,4880.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1089","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, you don't know anything?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=4880.0,4882.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1090","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e Hhheee ... again you are not told where you are going. Yes, we were many when we entered the airplane, we passed Malawi.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=4882.0,4890.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1091","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e Nervousness? Because after, you are in the plane for the first time?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=4890.0,4893.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1092","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e Eish, it’s scary if you have never ridden the plane, but we were happy that we were going to ride a plane, we were happy for that. We sang, we are going to board the plane there is song which is sung by Mambazo that one that speaks about the plane.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=4893.0,4903.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1093","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e Ehhh ...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=4903.0,4904.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1094","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e We will ride the plane, you see, we are having fun that we will ride the plane because in South Africa we could not ride the airplanes. Hey, we then left...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=4904.0,4915.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1095","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e Are you the only ones on the plane?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=4915.0,4918.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1096","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, it’s only us on the plane. It was an interfleet...or...but it's a Russian flight. Yes, when it reached Zambia, we dropped off. Oh, you have your commander, isn’t when you are leaving you have your commander?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=4918.0,4935.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1097","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=4935.0,4936.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1098","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, he dropped off others remained you see, it’s something like that, that ok…others drop off other stay. Wherase we are in transit we are supposed to board another plane that is going to Angola, those that are continuing are going to Tanzania you see, its different routes, what is happening now…we are not questioning. We dropped off, stayed at the airport there in about few hours a plane arrived. Our Commander said, every time he does signs and then we left. We boarded the plane now going to Angola.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=4936.0,4976.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1099","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e You've got other passports?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=4976.0,4977.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1100","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e Hhhhee ...passport, same passport. Meaning its tickets, isn’t tickets are not carried by us, there with the one who oversees tickets. You don’t know where you are going, you are just going like a goat from madeleni, you see when it walks...[laughter]... Not knowing where it’s going. When we read, we said oh, meaning this one will pass Tanzania maybe even Uganda it’s going to Russia you see, it’s going to Angola, it’s going to West, we figured it out that it’s going to East, it’s going to West. Because Zambia is central, they all pass there. If you leave from Mozambique or leaving Botswana you pass there in Zambia, change then.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=4977.0,5016.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1101","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We saw when we arrive, it was said “WELCOME TO RWANDA’ ’written in Portuguese also in English oh, we are in Rwanda ... (I can't hear him)","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=5016.0,5028.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1102","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"... From Angola we got it there that we are in Angola. You arrived there in Angola then we dropped off, there also there is an instruction as you go, the one going with you     is giving you instruction who does what, who says what, not all of you speaks other keep just keep quiet. We arrived there, we now then reached the transit camp, the real camp in Angola.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=5028.0,5052.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1103","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yes, there were still fighting in Angola in 1976, fights also in 1976, there were fights there. You even reach the airport there, buildings in town have big holes of shells, a hole the size of this door in a building. You see that thing you are seeing in Gaza, some buildings have collapsed, there’s smell its smelling blood, you see, you will see that jah it is happening here. For us, that’s the thing we want, we are here for war, we are here to fight, we said now it’s happening now, the thing we are here for is war, you see.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=5052.0,5088.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1104","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"No, we left Angola…In Rwanda we were taken to the transit camp. Oh, out transport arrived at the airport, to fetch us we are going to a bigger transit camp that doesn’t only have MK but there is also ZAPO here, and Joshua Nkomo the ZEPRA, the commanders of ZIPRA, we heard by a language they were speaking IsiNdebele, isn’t like IsiZulu....Hey Mjibha/men you can hear Mjibha you see., hey how are you? You see. Now, they know that they are Shindra of Mdala, we are Shindra of Mdala. Mqabuko Joshua Nkomo you can hear that he is from Zimbabwe. There are also Cuban here, there were some coming from Zahira, in Zahira. There they was also….(inaudible)...1977 at General Lubumba we are talking their language here, it’s even some from Palestine you see. A camp as I say it’s a camp, a camp is the size of Morningside as a whole, you see.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=5088.0,5147.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1105","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e Is SWAPO also there?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=5147.0,5148.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1106","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e SWAPO is also here, you see. So, we are then divided by our unit, you go and seat there, and change clothes you were wearing. , and were combat now. Isn’t you are carrying all your belongings, the one carrying war things and boots, and everything you don’t ask anything, these are whose, and who’s those are your things get dressed. Yes, you feel that now I have entered the army. We entered there and train, you see. But the difference here is that on the transit you don’t wear new uniform, you just wear the size that fits you only, how I cannot explain there. Yes, because there is this thing that says if you go, you wear other things, and upon return you wear other things, you see. If you return there is what is called solidarity clothes of that place, maybe you remember umphando/research.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=5148.0,5206.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1107","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"You see the issue of umphando sometimes makes me laugh, umphando you see. Umphando, if you are size 6, you are size 6….and there was fighting in Angola, then there was one route for boat, it was one route because it had mines, it was mine because there were Portuguese and the Afrikaner SANDF. So, it goes one route going to the ship to fetch clothes and return on the same route. Now, you were what fits you, it was by luck when you go left and write shoes. Maybe you will get two left shoes, we will find you bounce walking and say hey, this one was hit by umphando. We know that one you are rocking umphando system clothing, you are returning from training, you see. When we find you bouncing, we know its umphando, you see. Yes, but we will discuss the issue of umphando later…... [laughter] ... Yes","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=5206.0,5256.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1108","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANIDE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=5256.0,5258.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1109","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e Now, if you get a jacket wow, and it fits you here in the shoulders wow…. maybe the jacket reaches here… [he shows with hands]. We will say this outie, is the outie of umphando, the solidarity clothing, rocking umphando. We stayed at the Engineering, we stayed for a long time maybe about three months of training there.  We say no you see this outie, the research outie, the solidarity of it beats through research. We stayed then we stayed in Engineering long the time maybe about 3 months we are a trainer here.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=5258.0,5274.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1110","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e What are you doing here in training?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=5274.0,5275.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1111","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e Full training, just full training is done everything is done there. Politics, firearms, you are woken up in the morning and returned at night. You woke up in the morning, run in the morning physic, there is physical…there is a physical instructor, whose is very fit. It was a gang from Zimbabwe that trained us over there. He said, yes soldiers from South Africa he did press ups, and said, I will do the start and he will do it 20 times. He would say, I will do 20 times, you are going to give me 20 times, his chatting and doing press ups. Eish, you will see that no, here it’s happening here no…how…you see that no, we are also running here because we also want to look like him.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=5275.0,5320.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1112","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He said you are going to do these press ups 50 times you see, eish see that hey, he tried others failed, isn’t we just got here. Other maybe didn’t even pass to Matola, and Zambia they came from home, maybe they passed at Lesotho and then they came straight here in Angola, they came here because we are coming from different places. There are some who are smoky here, Smirnoff is coming out of their bodies, you will see that smoke is coming out, you will see that hey alcohol is coming out here, you see, it is happening. It’s happening there we are doing all forms of training. Even when you are leaving, you are not told that you are leaving.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=5320.0,5363.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1113","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e Now then brother, take us through nicely, on a typical day you have arrived and you are starting, that when you go in the morning or you woke up when…..","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=5363.0,5375.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1114","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, the routine?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=5375.0,5376.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1115","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e The whole routine.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=5376.0,5377.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1116","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e Eish, the routine we wake up ... the exercise, you wake up at 5, 5-6 it’s the physical exercise, running is done, this transit camp is big, it’s the size of Morningside, there are route here, running is there. You return from there, you do exercises, you run and do exercises, from there you take a bath, because the transit camp is huge so there, there are just enough transit camp. And NPLA was also there, NPLA, SWAPO and other countries, and Cuban’s are there, the transit camp is just complete there. If you return from bathing, you go to breakfast, you are going to eat breakfast. It breakfasts changes because the transit camp, it was a well-established transit cam, it had different food, not the one like ours in the forest, that I will later discuss, once we reach the forest section, for now we are in the city, capital city of Rwanda. We are hitting breakfast and go to classes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=5377.0,5437.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1117","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e What do you eat for breakfast?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=5437.0,5439.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1118","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e Eish, it differs somedays maybe…. there are biscuits this much [he shows by hand] and tea. In another day you eat something that seems like maltabella, you are eating things you don’t know, you are on the go. ... [laughter] ... there is no bacon and eggs, you are on the go, you eat things you are not used to eating but you get use to that in the army the body get use.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=5439.0,5461.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1119","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yes, at first you don’t……you say no this thing I don’t eat, or I don’t know it, but you end up eating it, you see. Yes, isn’t you are carrying your things, on your trays they put small portion of food, just small you see, but their food is satiety. You dish up and eat, you are dishing up yourselves. Another thing is that there are some things that you don’t know whether meats or snake is, or snake meat, or what, it includes what is included there you eat. Because once you are done eating…..there is time you finish eating, you need to go to class to study now. Yes, when studying, you go to your classes and you don’t know the timetable you are told when you are in class, whether you are given exercises, writing here or learning.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=5461.0,5509.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1120","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e Now then, a person who didn’t go……..illiterate person you are also with them here in class.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=5509.0,5516.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1121","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e After all, we will discover when we are going to... Isn’t on the transit camp you don't know where you are going?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=5516.0,5520.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1122","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e Ohhh.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=5520.0,5521.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1123","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e After all, from the transit camp you don’t know where you are going.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=5521.0,5522.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1124","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, so everyone is just sitting here.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=5522.0,5523.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1125","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e Mmmm ... No, they are a lot there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=5523.0,5524.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1126","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, ok.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=5524.0,5525.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1127","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e Isn’t in Angola some will go to Novacatata [Not sure about spelling] …which is 800 kilometers from Rwanda. Some will go to Benguela, some will go to Lobido, some will go to Funda, some will go to North, some will go to Karshie there are many camps. Yes, even here you are learning, a subject start, this one ends another subject starts, gain you are divided according to sections. We have our own section commander and commissar, and another one you arrived with, some you have left, if you arrived with him, you get a new commander, you see.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=5525.0,5554.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1128","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Isn’t each section has 112 people, there is a commander and a commissar on the section, you do everything as a section. If you are going to eat, you dish up as a section, even when you are going to work out….if there are maybe 3 sections or 4. If they are 3 it is a platoon…yes platoon means a platoon is working-out.  If they are…let say you have 35, if you are 120 you are a company. If you are many, they say you are a company, you see, company gym or whatever you are given. So, you know how to weigh yourselves, say oh, in this section it’s…but the commander tells you that this is happening now, you get instruction from the commander, you don’t get instruction elsewhere. It comes from the top to commander, and then it comes to you. It’s a routine so, and so, you see, that’s how it goes, so we then stayed here, for months here….","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=5554.0,5614.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1129","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANIDE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e Once you are done...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=5614.0,5615.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1130","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e There are breaks here...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=5615.0,5616.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1131","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=5616.0,5617.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1132","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e During breaks you mix with others, you see., you even know that there are some from Kataga, from Congo, others from Katangese, there are some from Palestine. Others we could see by kneeling praying oh, these are from Palestine, these are, those by 12 they pray, we kneel, you see. So, we…. that thing and certain behavior but we just mix but they mix for a certain time, that on a specific time…. Where you are you are going with your Commander and Commissar, wherever you are, even when you are out getting fresh air you don’t go alone.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=5617.0,5649.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1133","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, you don’t have to…those who pray at 12….","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=5649.0,5652.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1134","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e Do not disturb them.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=5652.0,5653.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1135","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e Don't disturb them.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=5653.0,5654.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1136","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e Hhhhee ... We see them kneeling, some have bow down off you see, you see that oh, it’s happening here, and you are told here that there are……as the transit camp has people coming from many different countries, they behave in different ways. Training is not the same, you are trained differently and for us, we trained according to our way you see. But its fine……...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=5654.0,5678.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1137","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e So, then the day continues, once you have completed classes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=5678.0,5684.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1138","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e In the classes then in the afternoon ... isn't it we eat breakfast, we ate lunch, we ate supper. At supper then when we ate, once we are out at times, we do toyi-toyi, its jazz hour.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=5684.0,5699.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1139","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e That's Jazz hour?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=5699.0,5700.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1140","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, its jazz hour, jazz hour is not necessarily an hour, but it is just called its jazz hour.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=5700.0,5704.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1141","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e Who is teaching you toyi-toyi?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=5704.0,5707.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1142","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, there are... our instructors are here others have been trained, others are coming from transit camps, we are new in the transit they are teaching us toyi-toyi. But when we followed the history of toyi-toyi …. the history of toy-toy it originates from Egypt in 1963. Those who trained in   1961, 62, 63 they came with toy-toy or on the Arab states others come from there in Palestine, others…..But just there at Arab Peninsula because others trained in other Arab countries, they arrived with toy-toy here in South Africa or South Africans let me say like that, because it is said that toyi-toyi began in Zambia.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=5707.0,5753.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1143","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"In Zambia we also did toyi-toyi, we were doing it with Mdala’s gang, gang from Zimbabwe, they are good at toyi-toyi. Isn’t they were in the Regular Army?  well there were taking over us as we were only starting, you see. We did regular army and we mixed them again, so we just had an idea of toyi-toyi. Whereas at Motola toyi-toyi is done as well, its in Swaziland where you stay and be confined into a house, you only study you don’t jump or sing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=5753.0,5784.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1144","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And the house there is closed as if there is no one inside, if you pass it seems like there is no one whereas it happening we are training inside, you see. It’s like Europe, in other parts of Europe…. we will talk about this another day. You arrive stay indoors inside the building. When you arrive, you arrive with a truck, it then reverses to the door like this [shows with hands]. Its door opens like this. [shows with hands] It reserve, you drop off, and enter inside and the door is closed, nobody knows that you stay here. Maybe it has 8 or 7 floors, the first one is the gym,2nd floor is for eating you see, 3rd floor it has residents you see……it was a former GDR [unheard] we will come back to that another day.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=5784.0,5838.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1145","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e So, after jazz hour?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=5838.0,5840.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1146","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e We are going to sleep then on our bunglers. But the training there is not too long, it’s not even more than 3 months on the transit, others its one month, others its one and half months, for some its weeks and you are thereafter taken to different transit camps. We were taken and transported to Funda.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=5840.0,5859.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1147","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e In Funda oh, ok. You were transported with what?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=5859.0,5863.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1148","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e We are taken with trucks. Oh, you are taken by truck?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=5863.0,5864.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1149","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, you are taken by truck?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=5864.0,5864.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1150","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, you are taken by truck? Yes, we were taken by trucks.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=5864.0,5865.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1151","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e You are riding there at the back?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=5865.0,5866.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1152","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, we are now soldiers after all, we no longer have a problem.  We are fully trained soldiers.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=5866.0,5871.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1153","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e Now, are you carrying the weaponry as you are heading to the transit camp?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=5871.0,5876.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1154","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, well we are carrying the weaponry isn’t there is a fighting and there is ambush along the way. Ehhh ...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=5876.0,5880.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1155","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e Ehhh ...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=5880.0,5880.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1156","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e Ehhh ... Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=5880.0,5881.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1157","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, that’s why I am asking. So, what are you carrying? We were carrying AKs.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=5881.0,5884.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1158","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU XUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e We were carrying AKs.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=5884.0,5884.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1159","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e We were carrying AKs. Ok.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=5884.0,5886.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1160","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e You see, The gun from there……it’s a gun for war, AK, it’s a basic firearm everyone its AK. Hey, when we arrived there, we got to Funda we are not told where we are going, you one sees once you have arrived there. They introduced us there, the camp commander from there informed us that here in the camo you are going to do 1,2,3,4….we will special in 1, 2, 3, 4. Even there we know the life of the camp, yeah it was easy to mix, it made it to be easier to mix. But then if you arrive there you are given uniform of theirs, even there also you remove there one you arrived with and be given their uniform and just wear everything. You are in anew environment, and you are not going to eat the same found that you were eating at Engineering, its checked food we are in the camp now.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=5886.0,5936.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1161","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANIDE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e Are you in the forest here?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=5936.0,5937.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1162","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e We are in the forest now you see. Yes, you are told that, secondly along the way….you stayed  there in your own {bangla and in the bangla?} the way you…..Here you are told that there are possible ambush in each transit camp, they can ambush anytime, there is a possible ambush. Secondly, there are dangerous snakes, pythons but because pythons are edible you can kill it and eat it. Thirdly, there are wild animals so, there are scumbags then…there is FNLA, you see stray people moving, you see its busy whereas they are observing. There is UNITA, you see that you are in a dangerous stream, you are told everything before you climatize the thing of the transit camp, you are aware that anything can happen.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=5937.0,5993.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1163","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"You see, you are told, it’s like this, like this, like this here. So, you adjust yourselves that here, as you will train here….in war, a soldier dies in war, you cannot say no I will survive. Survival, you will be lucky if you survived because a soldier dies in war, that what you should always expect. If there is mortal, another die on training, another dies in war during fighting, another dies in ambush, if you are ambushed, you see in South Novakite…. eish there were ambush, Cuban driving with convoy. Other Cubans were at the front, others at the back, roads there are small, the roads there are….it goes like this [shows by hand] The are small, small, roads in Angola have hills and valleys.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=5993.0,6039.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1164","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNITA measures you when you coming, on top they have drums of oil, they will shot the drums and they will come to us just burning, ambush coming from the top, they measure the distance as they roll, isn’t they know terrain, you see, of course they have been fighting there for years, you recently arrived in the terrain. So, it happens that you arrive, and you are not the same number where you are going, it was normal that thing doesn’t frighten you. So, that’s why it is said there is possible ambush, so as you go you are ready. There is a thing they called combat ready, you are combat ready after all you are a soldier, you must be combat ready it might happen that you don’t reach your destination. If you leave here and maybe say we are all going to Johannesburg, not all of us will arrive in Johannesburg, some will remain along the way.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=6039.0,6084.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1165","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Out of that thing you are just told, it’s possible, and when you go you are told there is possibility of an ambush, always be ready, you also don’t relax as you are chatting here and its fun you see. One, you are not at home, Two, you are in the forest to fight that what we wanted, you are fighting for South African people to get a better like you see. If you sing, you sing struggle songs. South Africa is my home that I love, I will fight for my land until it is free. You have that thing on the songs you sing. We will leave parents at home, we went out and entered other countries, where my father and mother don’t know, we are following freedom, you see.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=6084.0,6131.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1166","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We sing those songs; we have that moral when its being sung. If you are a group, travelling with a truck you sing, and sing, you see. If there are operations happening in the country, you live by those operations such as Sasolburg, here is Sasolburg its spitting fire, we are going…you see. And Umkhonto boys they hit it yesterday, we are going, we are going…. So, you then have that thing.  So when you leave, you know that not all of you will arrive at the destination, if you arrive you are lucky, if all of you arrived, but when you go as you are leaving you are told that there is possible ambush always be vigilant. If a person will ambush you, he hides for you, and show up alongside the road as you are walking. Maybe they will let the scout car in the front, allow it to go because they want to ambush you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=6131.0,6185.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1167","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Those cars driving at the back is left because there is a fight and there are then left behind, that’s normal. As I am explaining that they roll over drum oils, shoot them and they come down burning and they reach us burning and we will be scattered, you see. So, that the life we lived…..So, when you arrive at the transit camo you know the routine, I mean, we began we trained in Mozambique, and then….in Zambia we just passed but some were left in Zambia to train there. But in Angola at Engineering the situation of the war was within us, that you see now we are in the warzone. One, we are in combat readiness so anything can happen you see. 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Isn’t when you join the military you are told that if you dress you dress like this, even when you talk, you talk like this, you don’t address anyhow, it’s not like at home when you just throw. Your boots, your socks, your trouser, your jacket, your vest and your underwear, if you are just dressing. So, if there is just an ambush, you are dressed in 2 minutes, it is said come out, come out with our armor you take guns there and repeal ambush accordingly………...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=6245.0,6276.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1172","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e Now the time you are sleeping, where do you place your guns?…","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=6276.0,6279.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1173","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e They are kept in armor... Hhheee ...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=6279.0,6280.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1174","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e Especially here in Funda","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=6280.0,6281.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1175","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e No, guns are always in armor they not kept by you, but the transit camp is monitored, there are those that are patrolling, they said the transit camp must be monitored. You do like this, if you are guarding today, you are cooking tomorrow according to sections and platoons. Those that are guarding are the ones who will cook…..Maybe let say in a section you are twelve, you are guarding as a section, monitoring the transit camp, if you are a platoon you are 35, you are the ones who will cook tomorrow. Those who ae on guard they cook the following day, you are changed, then others don’t know how to cook, eish….eish...[laughter]... eish, you sometimes eat something that you see, I am travelling there is just nothing I can do here.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=6281.0,6324.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1176","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"You see, he will cook hard and raw pap, you will see that this pap is raw, they said, no its for soldiers it should last in the stomach, you see...[laughter]... you will see that here, no I travelled there is nothing I can do. Those who went to hunt, some days they will hunt a deer, maybe in some days where are eating a python, python has bones, it knocked with an axe, its roasted. Others say, no we don’t eat a snake. We said, you will be hungry, we are away, we eat a snake, we will eat it you see. In some areas maybe they have deer’s, deer’s were killed…..it is better when a wild pig is killed, not a pig its oil the whole of it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=6324.0,6364.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1177","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"If it's a deer it’s beaten, and beaten, they chop it and chop it. Someone will dish you up a bone and you will see that this is a bone there is nothing here, you see....[laughter]... maybe you don’t  get along with another one, you see, and he will count and say 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 he put meat pieces here and his not even looking at you in the face. You are passing and dishing, he will dish you the 5th piece that is a bone. Eish, it will be said yo ! Yo ! Yo ! ...[laughter]... His pouring down bones. Wow, this outie brother, I will also get him you see. If chicken meat is eaten, maybe they gave us chicken, he will give you the helicopter, it will be said wow you are hitting with the helicopter, you see this part, it’s rough and dry it’s like [shows by hand] and it’s dry like this.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=6364.0,6405.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1178","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It was said no he has hit you with a helicopter ... [laughter] ... No, you see that its nice here, you see. So then, it is those things...[inaudible] It’s happening at the camp you see, they hit you with a helicopter. No, if he has hit you with a steel, the one he hit you with, he hit you with a dry bone, you will eat it there is nothing you can do. You see if it’s eaten at the camp, there is time, two minutes to eat, it is said 2 minutes dish down, we have finished our plates. Wow, two minutes doesn’t finish, even snakes you are told that there are many.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=6405.0,6445.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1179","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Eish, in Angola there are millions of snakes, you are informed that look at the snakes there are plenty here. If a snake shows up you need to behave in this manner, my friend Degle….is afraid of a snake, his afraid of a snake. We are seated like this it’s lunch you see, we just finished eating we are waiting for combat that a bell will ring, and we will return to class. The snake came and it went straight to him, they said you see today if you dare move you will die and we will bury you here today, stay calm don’t move, it passed on top of his boot, his afraid of a snake you see. It passed like this [shows by hand] how huge of a snake, it doesn’t care it just passes in the middle of us, it doesn’t care not even a bit ... it passed. Hey, if I look at my outie, his combat is wet meaning he peered himself you see...[laughter]... It seems like it better he peed rather than being dead ...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=6445.0,6490.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1180","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e But get the instruction that if...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=6490.0,6491.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1181","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes... he got it ...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=6491.0,6492.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1182","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e if you ever move, you die ...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=6492.0,6493.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1183","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e After all a snake knows that if you move it means you are fighting, a snake doesn’t thing, if you move you are fighting. It hits you and with it poison you die, and where is the hospital because it is in the forest here. The hospital is maybe about 200 kilometers away...[laughter]... snake poison is 3 minutes. For Mamba it’s 3 minutes, cobra 2 ½ in other snakes maybe puff adder it’s 8 minutes. We are in the forest you are hit by a snake in the forest, when will you reach the hospital, you die. So, you are told that brothers the situation is like this here, situation is like this, situation is like this here.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=6493.0,6531.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1184","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e Now, those who will hunt, isn’t you just arrived here?…….","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=6531.0,6534.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1185","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=6534.0,6535.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1186","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANIDE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e You just go out and hunt, what do you carry?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=6535.0,6538.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1187","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e We carry, after all we carry all types of guns, there is a G3 here, there was {papasha?}, there is​ a German mouse {umkhokha/cock?} ...the one with this size of bullets [he shows by hand] It hit a buffalo only because it doesn’t feel the AK. Wow the AK, 76.5 millimeters maybe it is equal to R 5. The buffalo also doesn’t feel it because its skin is hard. Again, if you hit it on the head its seems like you hit a steel, you hear the mpiiii sound. And the buffalo fights back, it’s like you, you see. So, the German mouse was this much [showing with hands], within mkhokha, some carry umkhokha. If you hunt, it hunts like this the time you are guarding, let say maybe you are a platoon of 35.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=6538.0,6584.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1188","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Those on guard are maybe 12 0r 20, others will hunt, you go to hunt, and you go as unity, you go as scheming because if there is a python, you know how the python is. You don’t see a python; it becomes beautiful colors in the forest. You just see these beautiful colors whereas it is it. If you are going alone, you then know it will just twist you and do this, it will squeeze until you die and swallows you, so you just don’t go. If you go that why you go as….if you are three and you don’t see clearly, you go like [he shows]. There is one who looks at this side, there is also someone whose looking at this side, another one is looking at the other side, you continuously go like this, and change like this [he also  shows with his body] When you have  arrive inside the forest, you meet like this with your backs, the three of you, if it rises you beat it you see, because the python is very tricky, you see.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=6584.0,6642.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1189","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"You see, when it is said there is a tricky snake, a python is tricky, mamba is better, mamba is very aggressive it comes to you straight, but python is tricky it’s just twists you. Again the, this thing attracts you, and you become confused and not know what is happening because the time you see colors in the forest, you are not aware you are seeing a python, you just see colors and assume those are forest flowers, you see. Whereas there are no flowers, the snake is attracting you here, as he/she surrounds you it changes colors, shines and be beautiful, you see. Now the more you get closer you become close, and wow it goes down for you. So, what we did in our section is got wiser, and we will say look here, because there are those that are cooking when we go to hunt…if we were a few we would say ok…. some are on guard, guarding the post.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=6642.0,6701.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1190","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Century, you see in the dark houses there were different positions, will some of us will go for hunting. If we go hunting, we were smart we will go around 11 at night and go to the river. In the river, we climb trees, animals came here to drink water, at 12 we ambush deer’s, we climb up the trees and tie ourselves with belts and when for them to arrive and drink. The time they come to drink we beat them Gaaa ...gaa…..they all ran, we came and took them.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=6701.0,6739.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1191","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"If we leave early, we will break timber that we will bind with wood and caught it like this in the log [shows by hand] They have bed bugs moss, there are wild deer. But you cannot leave it simply because it has bed bugs, in the forest you live with everything. If you don’t have a log to bind it, tie it maybe, maybe the long is this size, you tie it hung up, tie it. Remember you don’t have ropes to bind it, you bind it with grass, you bind grass and plait, plait grass to be strong, and you bind it, you see. If you don’t have an option to tie and hung it, you carry it, carry it with bed bugs and the bed bugs, I am telling you, they will do as they please to you until you reach your destination, and there is nothing you can do. I will tell a story of bed bugs……","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=6739.0,6789.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1192","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e No...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=6789.0,6790.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1193","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e About bed bugs of Ireland.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=6790.0,6794.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1194","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e No, we will reach there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=6794.0,6795.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1195","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e On the newspaper I will tell that another ...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=6795.0,6796.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1196","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANIDE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=6796.0,6797.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1197","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e So, in the night when they finished drinking, we would hit them, and they ran away. You encounter a problem if there is a buffalo, buffalo is very stubborn it doesn’t go even when you shot it doesn’t go, it stays and what for you. Now the problem is that it doesn’t see where they person who is shooting is shooting from where. Other animals fear the gun, isn’t the gun smoke, the smell of the smoke scares them, they become scared and run. We hit them when they ran, he hit and carry them to the transit camp then. So, if we hunted well, the transit camp eats nicely there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=6797.0,6834.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1198","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e You arrive here at maybe around 12.30/ 1...?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=6834.0,6838.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1199","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e You mean at the camp?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=6838.0,6840.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1200","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e I am referring to the time you returned from hunting?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=6840.0,6843.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1201","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, yes you arrive at night, isn’t you don’t use the same route, secondly you don’t use the same route you came with because there are ambush here, you change the route, maybe around 1 or maybe around 2.But maybe you return with deer’s, if you carry 2 or three hey….that’s why I say a deer is work, its heavy, the deer is heavy you are carrying it. It nice if you hit a python, if you hit a python, many of you carry it, you just carry it. You are many, and you form one line, when you reach the transit camp you throw it, and it will be cooked the following day. Meat is for lunch not breakfast…yes…its for lunch, you see by smoke that today it’s happening big dogs? hunted.  It painful if it’s just one deer, a person got one small piece, small you see...[laughter]... Even the bone, we give you small bone and you will get a bone you see, that the food you will eat before you sleep.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=6843.0,6909.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1202","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e You slaughter it when you get here.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=6909.0,6911.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1203","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e When we arrive at the transit camp, of course you’re on duty.  Isn’t when you were on guarding at night…..","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=6911.0,6915.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1204","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANIDE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, you’re the ones who cook?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=6915.0,6916.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1205","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e The whole day you cook, the next day you guard at night….at first, we guard on times maybe be on guard from 8 to 10 for two hours, and another unit takes over, another unit comes, and another unit comes. At that time, you guard the whole night, those on guard also need to take turns, you cannot be on guard from the evening, or from night until morning, you are guiding, we take turns.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=6916.0,6948.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1206","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"If you have been in a certain post, you go to another a post, a specific post you go to another post. There is someone watching you, his keeps on walking around checking that you are not sleeping, his guarding because the transit camp will be attacked while you’re sleeping, you see. So, there’s someone checking if we are still within our posts. Century is at his place, the one at guard house is still at guard house, the one at…in the kitchen you see. The one at the entrance of the camp, and exist of the camp, they check you maybe they are 2 or 3, they check you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=6948.0,6979.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1207","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The problem that we encountered in Angola were mosquitoes yooooo ...mosquitoes there are like a bee bites you ... if you are wearing tracksuits, they don’t feel it, they bite you over the tracksuits, they just hit you. That’s why every Monday we received anti-malaria tablet, we took 7 tablets every Monday. If you don’t drink them….It is now anti-malaria, other comrades didn’t want to drink it. It is malaria they said it’s aunty Mulera a Portuguese name meaning a girl they said it aunty Mulera, they said we won’t drink these pills it's aunty Mulera you see…...[laughter]...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=6979.0,7022.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1208","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yes, it was said it’s aunty Mulera they want our thing not to stand, you see they just have that thinking, it’s not known where they took it, others didn’t drink them. And you got sick if you didn’t drink the, you can even die, you are forced that you must drink them because there are a million mosquitos there, they spray them with helicopter, from time-to-time helicopters come to spray. There are many swaps there in Angola you see, swaps just there, it is a place of swaps there one way. There was one day we were doing tactic as a section; we were out with our commander and commissar. Tactic then is maybe from here to UMlazi with walking in the night, barefooted.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=7022.0,7075.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1209","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Upon arrival you take cover, the place has fire, you just, there are obstacles along the way until you come back but the person who knows the destination is the commander only, all of you don’t know where you are headed, that tactic. And secondly, you carry heavy guns, you don’t carry A, you carry heavy guns, maybe you carry German mouse, the mouse is very heavy. We called it umkhokha because we put it like this. [he shows by hand] we called it imkhokha yemkhokha. We are going…. there are instructions if you are in the tactic. Maybe it is said run, jump you see, cover you see, if it is said cover you must take cover same time. Because if it is said cover, the commander knows why his saying take cover, maybe there is shooting you see.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=7075.0,7123.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1210","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"This other day attempting to take cover I lay down on top of something that seems like a tube whereas it’s a snake you see, when I was laying down I though it’s a car tube. As I was doing this [he shows with the body] It moves with me, I said no man, this is not a tube it’s a snake you see. It folded itself you see, as he folded himself, I was sweating and wet. My worry was where his head was as it folded itself, I want the head and it’s dark here, you can’t even see your finger, you can’t see it....[laughter]... the way it is dark. As I am laying like this he does like this [shows in the body] {ufeleba?}...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=7123.0,7165.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1211","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e So where is he as you are laying down? 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His troubling is what is on top of him, as for me I can see what I am sleeping on top of but now where is the head because I was going to hold the head. Hey, I am telling you, you see there because a person didn’t die, II was like hey…there is something they say it’s just luck, you know. When my unit stood up, I remained because I cannot stand up, isn’t I don’t see the head because it’s dark, I don’t see the head, I want him to unfold himself so that I can see him you see.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=7178.0,7212.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1215","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"There is nothing I will do, the bayonet is far away, bayonet I am here, if is required when I say bayonet I stand up, pull, and stab it. want if I say bayonet and get up, I pulled it I stabbed him. If stand up I will give it a chance maybe the head is where I am sleeping. No, the team left me I remained here. As I am left behind, I slowly moved away from it, slowly moving, I continued to move whereas he is also confused, we are both confused. I am confused by that I want to move from him, he also want to move from me.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=7212.0,7249.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1216","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I heard with noise when he was leaving, the unit left me ghhhoooo …this is a snake, noise of the grass ghhooo…..at night. Hey, I said Hey this snake, it left and ran away, and I also left. The problem that I have one, I don’t know where it went, unit commander is the one who knows the route, secondly there are…..the place I enter inside the swamp {gxu!/?} I swam, going back, I am lame here, I am lame don’t know where I am heading to its night. The I watched the moon and said oh, if we are in the camp the moon is this side, meaning the camp is this side, I am just using mutual.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=7249.0,7293.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1217","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANIDE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e You want direction?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=7293.0,7294.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1218","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, I am saying you see it means... because of course if we are in the camp the moon is there, meaning the camp is this side. No, I said okay, meaning the camp is somewhere that side, I am even far away but now there are swamps I cannot go this side, I need to walk in a place that is somehow dry, now I am worried that I need to find a road at night. As I am walking, I stride and stride in the forest and I saw some lights. A light you see, a light is moving, and it disappears there…. It went and I said oh, there is a road here, there is a road. No, I got excited, and I said, no if I have found a road it’s all good, I stride walked until I reached the road, and now I walked on the side of the road.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=7294.0,7341.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1219","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"If a car comes up and light, I took cover, that it doesn’t light me. You don’t know where it’s a car of scumbags that came to kill you see, it passed. When it was far, I got up, no I slowly walked, and slowly, now I am looking at the moon that where the camp is until I saw a camp of Cuban’s, there was a camp of Cuban’s that was opposite. I saw a camp of Cuban there it is I said oh, meaning our camp is this side I stride in the night.  I stride, stride and stride, I am not going there straight because they might shoot now knowing who it this walking at night, I won’t go through the road, I walked through the forest hey, until I arrived.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=7341.0,7382.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1220","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"How am I, I am super tired. If I enter at the camp, I heard them cocking their guns. {khaxa! khaxa!?} Identify yourself! Hey, so and so, so, and so how, section, what section are you…who is your commander? So, and so. Commissar? I named him…. Who is the camp commander? Hey, they did this way [shows with my hands] I then lift my hands. What the story, what going in? No, I was left behind there, I was sleeping over a snake, I took cover over a snake, others are saying, a snake hits a person, and we will find them green, you see. Wow, our commander didn’t report, they woke him up. Hey man why you dint report this, a person is punished for a whole week, they sweat.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=7382.0,7428.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1221","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"If you are at the camp you dig up a pit equivalent to you that is 4/4 deep, if you are 2.9 meters you will dig a hole of 2.9 meters to this side, to this side, and that side as well, you hear. You dig it with a small spade, the military one that you put it on the backpack, not a big spade, the small one that is this size [he shows by hand] dig it and finish it. Once you have dug it until you finish that’s your punishment, it was said bury the whole again, you see, that’s the life of the camp. So, also there, there is a routine like…other soldiers have left, you work up in the morning and run. The forest challenge, there are many challenges there. Water there are of the river they are cold as if it’s the water from the fridge in the morning, there are cold that is one, two they have crocodiles, you will say you are bathing you will hear something  snatching! The crocodile enters inside the water, and it’s over.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=7428.0,7486.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1222","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So, we then sis metal obstacles, you see, we did obstacles…..if you bath it’s only two minutes, don’t bath as if you are bathing at home. Other members don’t bath, they just pass water [indicates by hand] they just pass water, they are out, you can see that some gang doesn’t like water, you know then...[laughter]... there are members that doesn’t like water, you see, two minutes you see. And the time you are bathing, some are guarding, they are guarding a…crocodile it can just be quite in the water, and not breath, and that you hit and shout, da, da, da, you see it bhaxa , bhaxa running away, isn’t it was here to ambush too.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=7486.0,7517.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1223","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"If you are few, you don’t go as few because it watches us, crocodile is very smart…. crocodile is clever it doesn’t come to you directly. As the river goes there, it goes and appear behind us, it enters a person, it enters with them in the water shwwiii. It enters with you; it is then over. It is one of the challenges in the forest, it’s that at the forest there are those challenges, in the forest everything is dangerous, animals are dangerous, mosquitos you see, you are to constantly take pills, you exercise you don’t even eat good food, you eat what is available. Also, that we were trained, isn’t there is this thing of training in the commander training and stay for three days without food, you train, and the body get used to it because it adjusts.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=7517.0,7569.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1224","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"You stay without eating until the day ends, the following day you don’t again eat, and the day after you don’t eat, survival. You must survive…if you are a soldier, you must survive any condition you see, if you love food, we say this one will sell us to the Boers, he will be hungry and be hungry on the boers and ask for food, he will sell us. So, it’s survival you must survive. So, there are other challenges just there at the camp and in there, at the forest there are challenges based there for the forest only not in other places.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=7569.0,7600.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1225","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But you get use to it, it ends up being normal, this thing what do they call it, it’s new normal you end up being used to the fact that this thing is new, but it ends up being normal, you see you get used to it. You eat but if there is not food you have to understand because here you are here to fight to liberate people of South Africa. So, if you have that in mind whatever challenge you face you don’t cry, you say no, we get hungry here what’s happening, you see. In some cases, scumbags enter to sell you, to kill you here. In other camp they put poison while we were there, I think it was 1977, they put poison in one of the camps whereas its scumbags.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=7600.0,7646.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1226","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, they put it on food in the kitchen?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=7646.0,7647.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1227","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, in the kitchen it means the one who was on guard ... he was sent to do something the scumbag put poison, the whole camp had running stomach, you see. But they were caught, this person confessed who he was with when they did this thing of scumbags they were taken to 32…..but that is something else…. [laughter] ...After all these scumbags are sent by the Boers. I mean you get used, yes you get used, you just get used to that, no well, it’s normal.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=7647.0,7681.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1228","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e Entertainment?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=7681.0,7684.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1229","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e One it’s toyi-toyi, in the night we did slogan for just an hour. Two, on weekends, Sunday you don’t exercise, it’s laundry and lay soccer, on weekends it’s soccer sometimes you don’t play alone in the camp and play with other camps. Like the camp of Cubans at times we go there, or Cuban’s will come to us, you build your own grounds in the forest, you play, you see. That is your entertainment.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=7684.0,7715.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1230","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANIDE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e There are some who are guarding you?..","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=7715.0,7716.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1231","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e It is monitored in the camp, it’s monitored 24/7, the camp is always supervised. If you are going to play, before you go to play, terrain needs to be checked if it’s alright that you can go and play. It was fun when we were at the Cuban camp, the Cuban camp was huge with high obstacles, it was high and big and again inside it was a regular, we as guerrillas it has cameras and a lot of other things it had. You were able to see scumbags’ kilometers away, they just saw them you see, two they patrol with their cars. For us our vehicle only comes if we are going to Rwanda or if there is some where you are going only, you don’t have a car to patrol you walk, your cars are your feet.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=7716.0,7758.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1232","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"You are told very well that Tambo doesn’t have a car, now you will be demanding a car, Tambo doesn’t have a car, Tambo. We had a song that we were singing, , Tambo doesn't have a car ... Tambo doesn’t have a car we walks on foot, they are guerillas, you also walk with foot. Because if you are guerrilla’s, you just walk by foot everywhere, you walk with foot. Besides if you are going to Rwanda which is about 500 kilometers you are going far there. Maybe someone is going to hospital, or someone is moving to another camp, but in general everything…. everything you do with foot.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=7758.0,7790.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1233","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e So, then how do you get briefing about what is happening in the country since you are in a place, transit camp?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=7790.0,7797.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1234","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e There is a propaganda unit, we have a radio, isn’t there is a radio communication, we have radios, we tuned into RSA we got bees not from South Africa only but the whole world the gang of radio, we called the communication propagandist. The gang of propaganda their job was to…. the news, one we have these news, two the news analysis. Once you are done you do news analysis you see, when we are watching news what we do now we do it on our units of uMkhonto. On the news we have what is called news analysis, you analyze news, you just don’t listen to news and process them as they are, you analyze news.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=7797.0,7838.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1235","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"You start in the one for Palestine, ok what is happening in Palestine. You first listen that this number of people have died, IDF Israel Defense Force has killed number of people, civilians, women, so and so, and children. It bombed schools, it bombed hospitals. We have listened then analyses what this thing means. Why are they doing this? You discover that oh this people they have shoot on…they are hit by guerrilla’s don’t die there, they are good, these ones are hit by guerillas of Palestine, they are now shooting on civilians instead of fighting with guerrilla.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=7838.0,7873.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1236","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So, there is that thing ...so, anything that happening you are updated in the camp there is a unit of propaganda that we call Propaganda Unit. Dumisani Makhaye was part of that unit that’s why they were on Radio Freedom, and Radio Freedom you see. There is Radio Freedom, there is Propaganda Unit in the camp. Each camp has its own unit of propaganda you see, and then when you are in that unit of propaganda there is a library of the camp, with just books of the camp. Books from Cuba, Russia, Hungary, there is nothing you don’t know about the world, you know what is happening. There is Propaganda Unit if you have a certain topic they must brief about it, they will go to the library and read….at the.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=7873.0,7924.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1237","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"You also do research because you are also studying, isn’t as you are doing classes besides politics there is Urban Guerrilla Warfare where you learn about Che Guevara the people who started Guerrilla Warfare, and learn what happened in Cuba, study politics. It’s first politics, it’s the firearms, then it’s Urban Guerrilla Warfare, Military and Combat work. Topography and other courses you are taught as a class you see; you research in some areas. You will research and you will write a test in class you see, there is your instructor who is supposed to see if you understand. Those who don’t know how to write we normally help them, there are some who left without knowing anything in standard 2 you see, but you come out of the camp right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=7924.0,7969.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1238","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Politics, the advantage of politics it teaches you more than the person who is returning from university because you are learning everything ...I debate with the professors that I won’t mention their names. At times I sit with them, a person will say because you are not educated why are you telling us…how did you know such a big thing. You have written/published books but us as professors we have not written anything, I would say you like not to write anything. So, politics has that thing it brightens your scope. So, on the camp we learn it’s material. I left with the culture of the camp of studying, as we were taught. You learn, you are taught until I reach Robben Island, then at Robben Island there is a daily thing because there are no guns you study every day.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=7969.0,8014.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1239","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e No, we will come back there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=8014.0,8015.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1240","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e Sure.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=8015.0,8017.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1241","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e So, the ... the.  .. well, the days…okay, let start with…. with Radio Freedom. You have listened to Radio Freedom, what do you do? You then debate about what you heard on Radio Freedom?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=8017.0,8030.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1242","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, after all we discuss the news. Isn’t every week we have a news analyst, every week. The Propaganda Unit led us on that topic every week. But if you are listening to Radio Freedom you only listen to it in the afternoon…..ehh…you listen to it as individuals , and other units listen to it as well. So, you then discuss it in the night, maybe discuss it after Jazz Hour, you even chat about it before Jass Hour, you debate about it that this thing means this, and of course each unit has its own commander and commissar. The duty of commissar is to debate, as I am a commissar now, I am a Provincial Commissar.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=8030.0,8069.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1243","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"My work is that the politics of soldiers must be aware of what is happening politically not only in Durban or KZN or South Africa in the whole world. That’s why we normally discuss a topic and say Russia/Ukraine War what is happening there, we take it through, discuss, discuss, discuss, and chat about it. So, a unit and unit that exists or section and section in the camp, their job is that you seat as a section and discuss news analysis, talk about news. News today was saying, and we will get freedom in this manner you see, we are just discussing but everything that brings us close to freedom. The operation that we receive at home is that there is distraction of Sasolburg.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=8069.0,8110.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1244","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=8110.0,8111.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1245","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e Berg was hit, Voortrekker was hit these are big operations, Voortrekker World the one of the soldiers of Pretoria that were hit and Boers died, and also where it hit….the…it, I was a bomb there isn’t it?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=8111.0,8125.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1246","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANIDE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e Hmmm ...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=8125.0,8126.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1247","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, the car bomb that killed Boers and civilians. What does that mean? Because if we place a bomb, we don’t want civilians to die, people of defense or police must die. That’s why machinate were selected that were we differed with the gang from Palestine, people hijacked flights of civilians, it is goes it get hijacked they said their demands is that prisoners must be realized if not, they will bomb the building with only Jews.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=8126.0,8154.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1248","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"There is no way they won’t realize those people you see, so, that’s why their war is dirty. The war is not clean but as for us we are trying to be focused on our operations, that why some say we were not fighting you are killed by civilians whereas you should have killed Boer kids in pre-schools. We would say no, why should we kill kids what have they done, but Boers will enter universities and kill our children, you here that thing. So, we make sure that we have that thing they call just on, that why we had internation support, the whole world supported us. They will say we support your war [I can't hear what he's saying].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=8154.0,8188.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1249","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e So, we there days of South Africa that you celebrated there?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=8188.0,8192.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1250","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, there is something they called Freedom Calendar, the Freedom Calendar has information of the ANC, March 21 is Human Right Day we celebrated it.  At times goes on we celebrated day of Solomon Mahlangu, 6 April, Solomon was hanged that day. May is Africa Day, May 25, June 16…ehh…we didn’t celebrate it, oh, we are only celebrating it now. Mandela Day…oh, July 18 is the day of Communist Party it was formed, the Communist party. August 9 is Women’s March, September 24 Heritage Day…ehh…the day freedom was obtained in Russia, the first liberation of Russia on November 7 oh, December 16 is the formation of Mkhonto Wesizwe those are the days we celebrated we sung there were…….","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=8192.0,8256.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1251","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e Ok.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=8256.0,8257.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1252","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e Poetry, arts but there is thing we did just to celebrate its that…. we had commemorations and celebrations.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=8257.0,8267.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1253","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e So, the one of Russian you celebrated as October/November...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=8267.0,8270.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1254","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e We called November 7 October Revolution, we called it October Revolution it’s why the struggle began they fought the Tsa, the Tsarism…Tsa Alexandra and Trost, and Stalin.  That is where freedom began, just the first freedom, as many countries are liberated that’s where freedom started. What was happening there, we would narrate it politically what it means. Why do we have to fight, what are we fighting for. Why must we know politics, in politics we must know who our enemy is, not all white people are our enemy.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=8270.0,8307.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1255","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"You cannot say a hobo in the beach is your enemy when he will ask for cigarette, or he is smoking whoonga and say he is the enemy you see.  So, it’s not a color war but we are fighting apartheid., we are fighting with soldiers we are fighting with police, we are fighting with Broder Border you see people who know policies that black people live painfully. We had days that we celebrated, and we celebrated all the time, in fact all the camps, you will arrive in any camp there will be a celebration. You will find that a program has changed instead of a formal program of a class there is a celebration today we are singing…I played a guitar then you see. You compose songs, you dance gumboots dance you see, you play soccer.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=8307.0,8354.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1256","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e No, you will bring the guitar next time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=8354.0,8356.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1257","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e (laughter) Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=8356.0,8357.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1258","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e Ok. So, then how long did you stay at a transit camp in Funda?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=8357.0,8364.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1259","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e We stayed for almost a year, yes, almost a year. Isn’t we stayed in other camps. Almost a year because in other we were taken to other areas and returned because its camp specializes, we specialized in Engineering with explosive engineering, it was still engineers, we specialized in firearm I also did politics. You left and returned, left, and returned that’s why I say it is not questioned, you don’t ask why you are taken, why you are returned, you are just taken. But what was funny coming from the camp, leaving permanently…ehh…we went to a hotel in Rwanda.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=8364.0,8406.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1260","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"There was a hotel called…I have forgotten it name…it’s Pall-Mall, no it’s in Mozambique. We entered the hotel for the first time, isn’t some black people were not allowed in hotels in South Africa. Don’t see yourselves going to hotels, you were not allowed in hotels. We entered the hotels for the first time, returning from the camp, where we stayed for over two years in camps. So, we are served Portugues soup and Portugues bread, there bread and soup are very delicious.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=8406.0,8435.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1261","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We were twelve who poured it, at the hotel they said if you want another soup, you will get it, we said you wanted another one. Isn’t we were eating food that we are not familiar with at the camp, we ate just a mess at the camp, whereas here it’s s starter you see. ...[laughter]... Until we were full you see, we just continued eating. It was said no, we are grand now. It was said food is coming now. We said what was this. It was said no, it’s a starter. We said what is a starter, we don’t know that thing, we are full we have eaten soup out tummies are this big [indicates with hands]. So, the soup is delicious at the camp we didn’t eat soup for two years, I left home in 1976, in 1978 for the first time eating, eating delicious food. After two years.  it's delicious this soup in the camp we don't know This soup has been gone for two years home in 1976, in 78 for the first time just eating, eating delicious food after two years.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=8435.0,8475.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1262","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e What are you wearing? How are you dressed?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=8475.0,8478.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1263","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e No, well we are wearing those of…...[laughter]...eish you remind me of solidarity. We are rocking…. we are wearing solidarity clothing, you know {umphando we are wearing umphando?} clothes. After all, if you leave the camp, you change same time if you go out of the camp, you change clothes since you are wearing uniform you change the camp uniform when you…. If you are wearing those of civilians you are going home to fight, you see. So, it is usually said you must adjust civilian life that’s why you go to the city you see, to know the city, even to speak the language you see, so that it’s not obvious that you are not from here.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=8478.0,8515.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1264","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Now they have taken us to the hotel rocking umphando, we are wearing umphando, jackets reach here [he shows] They are short you see, we will rock two left shoes you are walking you are jumping you see, it’s like you are bouncing whereas you see….you are wearing this….you wear what fits you there is war hear theirs is no shopping, you don’t go to shop, there is no window shopping. And these clothes are donated by countries they are coming from Poland, Hungary, Yugoslavia…Russia gave us everything because even clothes it gave us, Russia gave us clothes. Cuba you see. You took what fits you and wear it, you don’t say no this is tight for me, if it fits you well then, its sharp, whether it reach here [shows by hand] that doesn’t mean anything.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=8515.0,8561.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1265","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We will see you in the city that no, this one is coming from the camp he is wearing umphando you see. That’s why we entered there at the hotel we aet starter hey, it was said we will give you soup we said bring it, some even ate three dishes big bowls [he shows with the hands], when food arrived we were full...[laughter]... It was said no that was a starter, we said a starter what is that we don’t know a starter. It was the first time entering a hotel in our entire lives.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=8561.0,8589.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1266","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hey, we then realize that hey oh, there is a starter we said okay, we will know be mindful of the issue of a starter when we arrive elsewhere it will be said ok, it’s a starter we will ask, is this a starter. Because after all you don’t ask, you are not supposed to ask anything, it is said you don’t ask, isn’t it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=8589.0,8603.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1267","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=8603.0,8604.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1268","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e You don’t ask, you are not told anything, you don’t know a starter or anything, you just having something delicious. When we arrived at another hotel in Mozambique, we asked what is this, is it a starter? It was said, yes, it’s a starter. We said no gents let take it easy let not rush brothers, we don’t want what happened to happen again....[laughter]... It’s should happen again you see. We said no, we will eat this thing slowly, and indeed we ate it slowly.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=8604.0,8626.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1269","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e Now, when you left Rwanda then you went straight and came to Maputo?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=8626.0,8630.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1270","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes ... Hhheee ... We also passed Zambia.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=8630.0,8633.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1271","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e Ok, oh!","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=8633.0,8634.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1272","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e Isn’t we don’t ask, why are we passing here.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=8634.0,8636.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1273","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e Ok. Alright, all of you are coming from Rwanda going to Zambia?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=8636.0,8639.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1274","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, we are travelling all as a unit.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=8639.0,8641.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1275","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e You already know how to sing because after all you are supposed to be happy you are true soldiers now?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=8641.0,8645.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1276","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e After all, we are now civilians and two, when we arrive in an area, we don’t show that we are trained.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=8645.0,8648.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1277","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e That these are soldiers...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=8648.0,8649.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1278","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e It is not required for people to see you; you don’t make it obvious.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=8649.0,8651.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1279","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e You must be citizens.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=8651.0,8652.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1280","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e You can also walk; you are supposed to be citizens you see. You take the civilian walk you see…don’t walk as if you are matching you see, all of that we tried that it was said a civilian like must…We are told learn a civilian life because you are heading home now. You get arrested at home just upon arrival it is said this one is back, you must have a civilian life.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=8652.0,8674.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1281","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So, we are trying the life of civil we are even drinking beer you see, we are revenging a person, it is said we are revenging, a person even drinks beers so that it will be said this person if from here in the city, because there is no beer at the camp, you see. So, then those who smoke they buy cigarette and smoke, when you arrive, they speak English you see, they use because and I want to, you see, you say all those things. But you are trying to the civilian life, you are trying that thing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=8674.0,8704.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1282","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e There mustn’t be someone who will be suspicious here.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=8704.0,8706.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1283","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU XUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, people don’t have to be suspicious. After all, one thing was a problem, after all the thing of military doesn’t come out of the mind. It doesn’t just come out of the mind, the thing of military. You see if we want to pee, one person pee and we all just want to pee in the night, as we are all walking in the bush maybe in the night all of us are peeing, wow. We ended up…doing…you see then, we were robbing I said you know what, because this thing of being a soldier, we indeed saw that thing hasn’t come out, we want to see if it came out because we want it to come out.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=8706.0,8736.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1284","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Maybe if we are going, we formed a line, we go with {schemish?} I will say brothers let not go with line brother we are no longer in the camp let just be scattered. In another place, I walked bouncing, they would all bounce behind me you see, I don’t know what they are bouncing for, I was being naughty, bouncing for nothing you see. They will all bounce, no I will be finished with laughter, and say yes, I got you being a soldier hasn’t come out of you, being a soldier didn’t come out. But it doesn’t come out easily and you won’t take it out in two days or three or a week, even a month it won’t take it out, being a soldier lasts.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=8736.0,8776.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1285","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e Because after all it was your daily life, this thing was a routine.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=8776.0,8779.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1286","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e Exactly. In another place you heard sound of combat, you will see that it’s sounding in your mind you see, you just whereas there is nothing it’s only playing in your mind, you see. In another place heat the sound of a gun, whereas it sounds in your mind, you see ga! Ga! Ga! You will say, who is shooting whereas there is no one who is shooting it the sound is in your mind, you see. So, the thing is within you, you don’t put it in you it lives within you, so for you to remove it, it’s hard.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=8779.0,8808.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1287","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e In Zambia, how long did you stay?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=8808.0,8810.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1288","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e Maybe we stayed...in Zambia we stayed for a week. In Zambia they were introducing us to other gents from Zimbabwe, isn’t some of us went to Zimbabwe. Two, knowing ZIPRA gang, we last encountered with ZIPRA at Engineering the gang of Joshua Nkomo, we also Joshua Nkomo and his house, we went to Lilanda, we went to the township in Zambia not the city. We left Zambia…. we left Lusaka we resided at a township there was a house of the ANC there, there was a house of ANC, there was a house of ZAPU there was also another one of SWAPO.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=8810.0,8837.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1289","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So, if we went to ZAPU House we just chat with gents from Zimbabwe, you see. Of course we are living a civilian life, and those that we encounter with are already trained. You are not mixed with people who are still to receive training when you are trained unless you are going to be instructors, to teach them at the camp. If you are trained you encounter with gents that are already in a mission you see, we are just chatting about our combat experience. Other are coming from inside operations in Zimbabwe, ours own are also coming inside operations, you see that it is that life of combat experience. Isn’t we sleep inside, so we want combat experience, how to survive in South Africa don’t get arrested,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=8837.0,8883.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1290","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e So, one of the emphases if you are taught as soldiers, is security.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=8883.0,8890.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1291","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=8890.0,8892.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1292","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e Now because you are staying here in the camps you will escape and look for the thing. Isn’t your security going to be compromised.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=8892.0,8903.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1293","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e Isn’t one, the camp is monitored one, two escaping is not permitted. If you escape it is maybe three out of hundred, not everyone escapes. Again, it isn’t just inescapable at the camp, it’s just those people who are ill discipline. As it is monitored, if you there escape it is your responsibility because you will be found that you escaped, there is no way you wouldn’t be found. At the camp combat is done, you are all called, to be seen if you are all here, anytime, where are other you get, it will be discovered that you escaped.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=8903.0,8936.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1294","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So, if you escape you are compromising yourself, two you will be punished apart from the fact that you have, how…you will be punished a heavy punishment for just escaping. Other escaped when we went to place soccer, maybe we are going to play with Cuban’s, the Cuban camp was just a distance, we walked by foots, others ran away you see. They don’t escape when we are at the gym, maybe when we are in class you see, it’s just inescapable there. Others then, others if we hear there in Tanzania, there were other brothers who were selling…. they went to buy you see.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=8936.0,8975.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1295","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"hhheee ... they don't have it money, how will you buy if you don’t have money. You are then required to pay they don’t have money; a Tanzanian will come to claim his money, it saw a person who came to buy. It will go to the camp, and report that a person didn’t pay, combat will be done, and you will all the called here and bend it will be said it should point who was…. with your units, if others are not there, where are does that are not here, you can hear that. So, it’s that thing but that thing isn’t something that I prevented you see, there were a few cases, there and there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=8975.0,9008.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1296","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e But now here in Zambia, you go out of Lusaka in the suburbs, and you stay in the township?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=9008.0,9012.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1297","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=9012.0,9013.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1298","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e Isn’t you have to be familiar with the civil life?.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=9013.0,9016.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1299","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, it’s the civilian life. Yes...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=9016.0,9017.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1300","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=9017.0,9017.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1301","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes... Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=9017.0,9018.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1302","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e of course, that’s where we will do this thing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=9018.0,9019.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1303","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, it will ...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=9019.0,9020.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1304","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e Are you not now compromising your security, the safety?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=9020.0,9023.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1305","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, isn’t after all now you are compromising it upon yourself, it’s your own security. You are told very well if you are a Guerrilla that your life depends on you, nobody will live your life, two no one will be responsible for your life. If you are careless, you will die…you see let say in Engineering there is a rule when we do explosives it’s called {sabotee?}…isn’t we are doing Sabotage as a course, it is said if a sabotee committed one mistake in life. Make a mistake in Engineering explosives will blow you out and you will die, so the sabotee committee, only one mistake in life. So, the slogan there when you do explosive on sabotage is that any single mistake in life you can only commit it once, you don’t commit another one you will die.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=9023.0,9088.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1306","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Same applies then when you have completed training, and just living, any mistake in life that is your mistake, any mistake, you commit one mistake you are dead. So, this thing is on your mind that whatever mistake you commit because your life is your responsibility…it’s you, you are responsible for your life, nobody will supervise you, you are no longer in the camp, you are not supervised here. In the camp you are being monitored, yes you are guarding yourselves, but you are monitored there is extra security and protection, in the camp there are guns. These of the civilian life there is no gun, there are agents of the Boers wandering around here taking pictures, others are sent, maybe others saw girls.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=9088.0,9110.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1307","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"You will see a beautiful lady whereas it’s sent, you are courting, isn’t you love courting you are coming back from the camp you’ve been there for two years the lady doesn’t know, you court here, and the lady agrees to date you, whereas she came to work. She will leave with you, isn’t you are no longer seated with us, you will say you are just going around the corner here, she’s calling telling the Boers that here is this person, like this, like this. He will be caught, arrested, and kidnapped. So and so? He disappeared. Wow! Kidnapped. How? We don’t know. Whereas it’s you, it’s your mistake, so things just like that because once you’ve completed being trained, in as much as you are required to live a civilian life, it has a risk that you will commit mistakes on the process.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=9110.0,9155.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1308","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=9155.0,9156.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1309","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU XUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e A person get drunk and be seated down, if he is drunk, he can’t even walk. Boers know that you stary in alcohol places, South Africans love alcohol, they love girls, they love money. Cubans will tell us very well, they said you South Africans ….and Russians said you give guerillas money, give it alcohol and you give it girls it’s over there is no soldier there, also German’s told us, you give guerillas these three things women, alcohol and money there is no longer a soldier there it is just an ordinary person, there is lo longer a soldier there. Money, it got drunk, it has a girlfriend there is no soldier there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=9156.0,9195.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1310","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So, there you are told of things you should be careful of, that be careful f these things, you are told while you are being aught guard these things. People who came back from combat experience that brothers, you are coming back from war money sold us, alcohol sold us, you die drunk, be shoot while you are drunk. You are in the tavern, and you lost everything in the tavern, Boers used that to listen to what you are saying, what you are saying. Isn’t you are drunk, you talk anything, you don’t know who I am you see that thing, you are drunk of alcohol. I can kill you all here, you see that thing, you are exposing yourself it’s over for you. So that’s why it is said we must be careful of those three things.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=9195.0,9236.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1311","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANIDE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e Mmmm ...so, you left there in Zambia?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=9236.0,9238.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1312","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e We went to Mozambique.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=9238.0,9240.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1313","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e Ok.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=9240.0,9241.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1314","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e In Mozambique we ended up not going to the transit camp we stayed in Jardino, we also stayed in other houses we were living a civilian life, we were just learning and getting updates and briefings, and will also hear missions. Yes, they are observing how you behave, you see. Are you fit to be in the front, or you are not fit, they observe you after all, as they are allowing you to be lose, they are doing it intentionally they are checking you, are you fit can you go to the front to fight, or you can’t you are a soldier.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=9241.0,9270.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1315","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"You are not told where to go and when to return you, it’s you, you guard yourself but the observe you, they don’t tell you that they are observing you. You only see that hey it’s fun here in Mozambique it’s happening, we go out, we go anywhere to…..you see but you are not allowed to go to Matola because they are comrades that we still going to the transit camps to train and there are Boer agents. You go there if you will stay indoors not on a mission, if you are just in a mission there are places where you don’t go, it is said you can’t go to this place, you can’t go to this place. You can go here, you can go here, you can go here, don’t go there, so there are dos and there are also dons until it reaches where you go to mission then.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=9270.0,9310.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1316","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But the leadership arrives to brief you, you see, JZ will arrive he was in our unit, isn’t JZ was on Machinery there was Durban Machinery, Natal Machinery and Transvaal Machinery it differs. They are briefing us about how the situation is, how is the preparedness, they are briefing us with Pass Four. As... [I can't hear him he swallowed his words] ... he was also here to brief us, from people who are coming inside. JZ also entered with us inside, again yes, he entered with us inside the unit, he just entered, he crossed the fence and returned, you see. That’s why soldiers love him, you see him loved as if……","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=9310.0,9348.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1317","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANIDE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e Hmmm ...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=9348.0,9349.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1318","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e Besides that, he is from here, he was like this with soldiers [shows the way he connected with soldiers] Very close to the soldiers, not him only there were also others. Also, Chris Hani who else? But what I mean is that JZ amongst people you find that are soldiers…he is within the hearts of soldiers. And two, if you are a commander, you always stay a commander it doesn’t change that you are no longer a commander, you are always a commander. As he was the Commander in Chief, he was a President you always remain, once a commander always a commander, once a Buccaneer always a Buccaneer you see, so he still a Commander in Chief even to us he is still a Commander in Chief.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=9349.0,9398.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1319","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We will hear you say, no the former President, there is no use of former President, a Commander in Chief of soldiers doesn’t have another rank beside being a Commander in Chief. Me, as I am a Commissar, I am a Commissar permanently. So, even if I am no longer a Commissar it’s me who will no longer be a Commissar referring to me, but soldiers will call me Commissar. Even now they still salute me, soldiers salute me, besides that we were integrated, we left and went to Zimbabwe with who, who and who, we will discuss that another day.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=9398.0,9417.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1320","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANIDE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=9417.0,9418.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1321","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e But they salute me because of my rank that I use to hold in Zimbabwe, they just salute me. And if I’m not wearing a unform they freeze and be civilians…. if I am wearing a unfirm even now, they still salute me, you don’t say it’s a former.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=9418.0,9431.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1322","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e Don't leave him…don’t left him freeze.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=9431.0,9435.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1323","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e After all I tell him and say volna at ease, volna at ease. Yes, volna at ease a mission…volna at ease…if he is nearby volna you see…","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=9435.0,9446.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1324","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e So, if he didn’t say that you will leave him freesed.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=9446.0,9448.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1325","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, after all.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=9448.0,9449.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1326","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e He will constantly be freesed...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=9449.0,9450.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1327","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e He salutes after all he continue to do like this [shows by hand] I will tell him, at ease, and then he drops the hand, if I didn’t say at ease you see, but that just mostly.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=9450.0,9461.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1328","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e Ok. You then left when you were in Mozambique, take us through what was happening around?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=9461.0,9467.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1329","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e In Mozambique one, there were children that were studying English, I had an English class. Sihle Mbongwa left this class, and I was required to continue with it and teach English, you are given different duties in Mozambique. And, that it’s no longer the same people you left with, you now have other people so that is one, So, other people were doing other things, you don’t ask that so and so what is he doing the, I taught.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=9467.0,9494.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1330","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"let me say maybe you have passed matric, the gang that was post matric and those of varsity you sometimes help in terms of literacy, also you in the ANC, the children of the ANC that were here. I taught there, a class, a small class, I taught them English, I was studying Portuguese. When you teach English, you then learn to speak English, there are some who are teaching Portuguese, you will learn English there is that thing of teaching we were even then given mission…..We are given our mission…who I was integrated with in the mission was the late Santana.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=9494.0,9530.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1331","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e I see Santana.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=9530.0,9531.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1332","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes. He was under our mission and another outie from Maritzburg he is also late.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=9531.0,9535.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1333","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e Who?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=9535.0,9537.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1334","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e Senzeni. Santana, Senzeni and Gayo. We were brought together with Gayo, but we were separated when we left but we stayed together at Jarden, yes in Mozambique we stayed in Jarden. We did everything in Jarden we were roaming around, so if you are staying together, you have an assumption of that you will obviously be given one mission because you are in the same place, that was that thing you see. So, here it is the…I taught this class for a short period but after that were, we given a task to enter inside.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=9537.0,9575.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1335","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e Let's talk about that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=9575.0,9577.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1336","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e Entry to the inside...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=9577.0,9578.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1337","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e Before you enter inside, how are you brought together here to be given this mission, who unites you?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=9578.0,9584.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1338","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e After all, a briefing came regularly, isn’t it was based there….it stayed at Jarden……","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=9584.0,9588.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1339","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=9588.0,9589.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1340","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e Pass Four arrives, JZ arrives, Keith arrives, a lot of comrades came, yes, the Commanders of uMkhonto Wesizwe. Dan came they are briefing us, they arrive everyday., they come on a daily basis, we return in the afternoon we don’t stay…..you stay there until morning. We know that we need to return just 5/6 we return no matter where we are, they brief us from time to time that you will go inside. Another one who was also there was Mabhida, Mabhida with beard….","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=9589.0,9625.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1341","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANIDE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e Sitimela?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=9625.0,9626.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1342","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e He styled moustache, twisting moustache, he called us and sit down with us. If Mabhida briefs you, he is not direct, his always indirect. He just tells a story, he tells a story, it is you who needs to catch up what the story his telling means, you see. I remember the first briefing he gave us. He came and sat down and said Hey, there was someone walking in a specific place, in a specific country it was fun and warm you see, whereas he is surrounded by snakes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=9626.0,9665.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1343","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He is not refereeing to the snake, he means being surrounded by the enemy, he means that when it’s fun and cozy, it’s fun you do as you please, you see. You analyzed everything Mabhida was saying when he was done talking, because when he was still saying it you wouldn’t understand it same time, he was just that type of a person, a person of parables you see, yes he was like that and he was serious, very serious, he will tell you a story. Now you will be hesitant to ask what this story is referring to; isn’t it was said we don’t ask; it is said you don’t ask at UMkhonto. So, whatever these people are telling you, you take it as it is, you must understand that you are being told that one, caution, be watchful you returned from the country, so that it doesn’t get fun, and you do as you please.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=9665.0,9712.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1344","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He didn’t mean when it was fun, he said when it’s warm you see, so you have a lot of warmth that said what is it because it may mean a lot of things, he is surrounded snake. The enemy that surrounded and killed him…. meaning you will die. Again, that you are arrested…possible, and I remember JZ spoke about jail others dint speak about jail. JZ said we are parting what we briefed, he would say comrades we are parting now, we part to meet somewhere.  He said we will meet in the new land a liberated South Africa…he said possible in prison. We said wow now JZ is speaking about prison what does it mean, he said when we part, we part to meet, but we will meet somewhere.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=9712.0,9762.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1345","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It was his theme when he was briefing you when you were done and now soldiers. He said no, we will be separated gentlemen, but we part to meet somewhere, there is a place where we will meet, you see, he stated, he stated that possibly in prison. This other day Senzeni ended up saying it’s mean we are going to be arrested then, you hear what JZ is saying, we were chatting alone, we said no he is analyzing possible things, you see. So…But we were getting briefings almost daily, once you’ve completed training you, you get briefings, they brief and brief you. 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It is not known where occupants are even today, we don’t know the occupants that we were going to leave with, where they ended up. That’s how we missed our contact, that’s how we survived.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=9812.0,9855.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1347","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We heard on Radio Maputo in the afternoon that an ANC Land Rover was found in the bush late…was found in the bush and that was the following day…. Was found in the bush riddles hundreds of bullets holes and blood so there was blood all the car, occupants are now known where they are, you see. Even today we don’t know who the occupants were, we don’t know where they ended up, that vehicle we were going to travel with, and enter Swaziland with it. Pass Four then said, plan B we travel with foots, imagine travelling from Mozambique to Swaziland with foot...[laughter]... he said we will go with foot. . Wow! Man, we prepared our snack sacks we put in tin stuff and bread only.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=9855.0,9906.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1348","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e Dry bread?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=9906.0,9907.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1349","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e Breads of Mozambique are dry…..","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=9907.0,9910.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1350","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, these are pao….Hmmm ...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=9910.0,9911.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1351","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e The pao, we travelled, hey we travelled for the whole week.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=9911.0,9916.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1352","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e How many are you?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=9916.0,9918.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1353","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e It’s me, Pass Four and another one they didn't mention who he was, we are also two, in total we are five, we walked….in the night we walk on the road and during the day we walk by the rivers.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=9918.0,9929.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1354","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e Father Pass Four is old around that time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=9929.0,9932.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1355","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e He is old, yes. No, he is strong peasant, he is a steel hey, that one was a steel. When we stayed by the river , it’s tin…..I leant there that a fish tin you scratch on the rock until it hots and it opens, you don’t open it using a knife, nit it, hit it and hit it. Once it gets hot it’s pops and open, once it opens you eat with bread.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=9932.0,9955.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1356","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e Like... like ...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=9955.0,9957.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1357","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eHUMAN NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e We drink water, you are not carrying soda, we drink water. Stream water, we drunk water and continue walking until we reached Swaziland. 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We walk in the night, sleep, and eat midday, eat and rest.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=9990.0,10003.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1364","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e Who’s guarding you when you are sleeping in the noon?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=10003.0,10006.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1365","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e No, there is no one whose guarding us are carrying guns here, after all we are all carrying pistols. Yes, everyone there has a gun, everyone has a gun and three magazines of that if a war broke out here, we need to handle it, 3 magazines. We are carrying Tokarev here, we are carrying TT’s and Makarov, those are advanced guns from Russia, you see, and you are sure of them. So, during the day we sleep, and in the night, we walk, we walk in the night and if a car approaches, we take cover, isn’t you are trained what to do at night.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=10006.0,10043.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1366","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We walked, walked, and walked; when a car shows up, we took cover. When it’s began to light, it’s dawn, we enter the forest, we enter the forest and walk until we get a place with a river, we seat down, we just seat in the river and open our food. We cook rocks here, we are burning tins, we burned the tin until it pops and open, and then we eat, eat and drink water. That’s the life of the forest, you get used to it…it becomes normal that now wow, you can eat tin, bread, and water. 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Now the problem is that we couldn’t ask because one, you are not informed where you are heading to and you could possibly travel for how long, you are not told where you are going, no matter you can travel for how long, you are not told, you are just carrying your belongings. As for us, we so that ok, out car is ambushed so rather than getting an ambush we will walk by foot, we slowly continued with foot, we slept, woke up, slept, and woke up.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=10097.0,10138.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1371","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Until we reached... we were taken by transport, on how that happened we can’t explain. It took us, we went to Manzini….It came at Nomahhashi on the border and to took and left at Manzini. What we later though that, oh, if there are problems Pass Four normally walks according to units, he knows he arrives to at Nomahhashi. We arrive at Nomahhashi you see, because now we cannot ask where we are going, when will we return, we cannot ask.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=10138.0,10174.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1372","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e Now as you are travelling, how are you travelling? As you are four, you follow each other, how are you walking?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=10174.0,10181.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1373","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e No, in the street we walk scampish like…","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=10181.0,10185.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1374","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e Who’s in the front?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=10185.0,10186.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1375","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e It’s him, Pass Four, isn’t he is the one who knows where we are going. He walks with foot, Pass Four walks with foot, hey that old men can walk. Hey, we could walk with foot, we would walk you could see that this person can even reach South Africa with foots, you see the way he walks he doesn’t get tired.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=10186.0,10201.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1376","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e Now does he tell you, who amongst you must be the at the end??","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=10201.0,10205.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1377","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e Hhhhee...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=10205.0,10206.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1378","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, we see amongst ourselves.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=10206.0,10207.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1379","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e We are trained.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=10207.0,10208.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1380","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, you have been trained.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=10208.0,10209.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1381","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU XUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e We are trained, we already know when we walk, we must walk like this. And two, you must look around, don’t walk and be looking forward, others must look this side, and another look on the other side, you are trained now, you see. If you are standing, you must look the side you are coming from you see. And just looking…. we are walking like radar all the sides you make sure that we see the from until it ends here in the front [shows with hands].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=10209.0,10242.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1382","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The rear and side, so and so…on the sides anything can arise you see here that there is a road, you see. If you are walking on the road then…we walked on the road…. you cannot walk in another way but in the forest, you look in the forest. There you look around even look behind you that nobody is following you. There you walk and stop and say let just stop here maybe there is shade the burn of the sun.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=10242.0,10269.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1383","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"If you are sitting in the shade, all of you don’t face the same side, you sit and turn your backs on each other so that you can look everywhere you see, so that you will see if something approaches there. But if you are trained it becomes easy, that thing becomes insensitive you are not told that if another one faces this direction, you look the other side Hhheee ... you saw that oh, this man is facing this side meaning I should face the other side. 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Yes, it's there. We also just discuss other things but there are no jokes here, there is no joking here you are coming to the mission now, you see. If you go on a mission, it’s possible that not all of you will return, other will return other will not return.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=10320.0,10337.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1388","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e JZ told you, he said that but it’s possible to meet in prison.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=10337.0,10341.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1389","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, of course he did say it. Yes, we will meet there you see, whereas he is coming from jail, you see. He’s coming from jail he was arrested in 1963 to 1973. As he is saying we will meet in jail he is returning from there, after all he knows what his saying and he understands this thing you see, so it was just that type of a situation.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=10341.0,10361.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1390","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANIDE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e The car then took you and dropped you off here, you returned to Manzini?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=10361.0,10365.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1391","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e We came back to Manzini yes, we stayed in the house again there but another house now.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=10365.0,10368.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1392","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e But not in the same house, yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=10368.0,10369.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1393","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, the same house, in another house.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=10369.0,10370.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1394","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, but still in the safe house?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=10370.0,10371.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1395","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, there were…I don’t know how many safe houses were at Manzini, we then stayed there at Manzini.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=10371.0,10377.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1396","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e How do you then exercise now that you are staying here in the safe house?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=10377.0,10380.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1397","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e No, you don't exercise, you no longer exercise after all now you are living a civilian life.... [laughter] ... do civilians exercise? You don’t exercise you are soldiers and again you had a long journey travelling from Matola with foots yoooh…. the journey was difficult, hey never.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=10380.0,10395.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1398","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANIDE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e You have trained?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=10395.0,10396.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1399","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e Too much we are alright, we experienced the journey that hey no, it’s no play, you see. The journey is long here, and again you are traveling with someone you will find that he’s used to that thing, meaning is familiar with this thing. He was just open, he was chatting freely, he placed across his snack sack, and you are also carrying yours, you are hitting the road, you are going.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=10396.0,10420.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1400","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e Ok. Now then take us through because you are in the mission now…..","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=10420.0,10432.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1401","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=10432.0,10433.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1402","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANIDE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e You are in the front now? Sure.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=10433.0,10434.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1403","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e Sure.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=10434.0,10434.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1404","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sure. Ehhhe ...and you are in the operation...[laughter]...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=10434.0,10437.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1405","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, because in the operation hey….","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=10437.0,10442.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1406","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e As you are staying here then, if you leave and going back, will you enter another country?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=10442.0,10447.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1407","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e We were then separated there to meet people inside, people of the…..We were separated by the mission with three different houses. Isn’t since you are not told, you don’t ask, you are told that you are going to this particular place, and you will meet with the……","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=10447.0,10463.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1408","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e And you are not informed if you are all going together?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=10463.0,10466.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1409","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e No, Hhheee ... we are not told. We were separated and we left, where the other one went, and another one went nobody knows. For me maybe they heard after a month or two that I am arrested, and how I got arrested I also didn’t understand.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=10466.0,10484.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1410","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e No, before that, move from there ...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=10484.0,10488.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1411","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes... at Manzini","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=10488.0,10489.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1412","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e The time you left.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=10489.0,10490.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1413","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e No, we were going with Pass four.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=10490.0,10491.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1414","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=10491.0,10492.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1415","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e The left us at the border.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=10492.0,10494.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1416","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e No, oh, you're just still going?...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=10494.0,10495.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1417","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, from the safe house.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=10495.0,10497.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1418","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e What do you call yourselves? Are you a unit?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=10497.0,10499.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1419","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e We are a unit, yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=10499.0,10500.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1420","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes. You went with him until he left you at the border.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=10500.0,10502.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1421","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e He left us at the border.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=10502.0,10503.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1422","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e Who’s another extra person maybe the commissioners or to the commanders?... Who is still alive?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=10503.0,10508.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1423","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e Who is still alive?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=10508.0,10508.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1424","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e Who is still alive? No, I mean is there anyone who joined you?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=10508.0,10511.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1425","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e Hhhhee...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=10511.0,10512.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1426","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, Mr. Pass Four is still going with you?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=10512.0,10514.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1427","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e Pass Four is still going with us, and Makhasane also is going with us. Ok.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=10514.0,10518.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1428","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e Ok.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=10518.0,10518.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1429","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e Ok. I don't know if it was Jerome, there is another one who was called Jerome/Gerald something like that. But if you didn’t hear the person’s name clearly you don’t ask because you don’t need to know them, it was until they left us at the border you see.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=10518.0,10528.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1430","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e Who is Jerome...Is it Sibeko ...Ok.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=10528.0,10529.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1431","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, it’s somewhere there, they left us there, you see.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=10529.0,10533.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1432","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e At night?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=10533.0,10534.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1433","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, they left us there at night. They left us there in the night we slept we are waking up in the morning, everyone is briefed of where they are going, you are given different briefings.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=10534.0,10542.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1434","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e Where are you sleeping?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=10542.0,10543.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1435","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e In the forest. Ok.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=10543.0,10544.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1436","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e Ok.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=10544.0,10544.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1437","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e Ok. After all we are sleeping in the forest now we are…..","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=10544.0,10546.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1438","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e You are just deer.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=10546.0,10548.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1439","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e We are sleeping in the forest ...[laughter]... we are sleeping in the forest. I will exit through Conondale, someone will exit through Piet Retief, some with Mahamba Borders, we were just separating here where you are going, he has his own work and I also have my work.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=10548.0,10562.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1440","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e You are focusing on your thing 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goes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=10576.0,10577.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1447","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e No, after all you are told that you are leaving, you are told individually.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=10577.0,10581.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1448","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e Ohhh.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=10581.0,10582.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1449","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, again you are told when you are leaving, you are not told prior.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=10582.0,10585.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1450","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, 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are...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=10590.0,10593.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1455","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eHUMAN NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, if you wake up in the morning you exit with Mahamba, you exit with Conondale, exit trough Piet Retief.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=10593.0,10600.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1456","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e So, who spoke with you that?..","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=10600.0,10602.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1457","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e It is him Pass Four. After all he was the one who was the overall commander, he is the one who us all the instruction. If you arrive at Mahamba you like this, like, he tells you if you reach Mahamba do like this. Arrive at Conondale do like so, so. Maybe he will say if you reach there take a bus, there is a bus you will take meaning the person you are meeting with is told where he will meet with you. You arrive and drop off at a specific place.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=10602.0,10630.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1458","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But then what was strange when we then separated now, hey when I reached at that border hey, they were Boers, I said no man. Now if you are then trained, you are taught what to do in situations like this, no you change and change. I am not coming out here, you see as I will exit here, as boers are full the SANDF, I saw that this is only an ambush, we survived another ambush, and this is another ambush. We changed the route, but it exits the same, but you change the rout and come out. We lost each other there with my contact. Now I didn’t know if that contact has been arrested it’s coming with boers or is a sellout.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=10630.0,10676.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1459","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANIDE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e Hmmmm ...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=10676.0,10677.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1460","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e You get it. We lost each other there but I know my mission​ that you come out here, I entered inside, I entered, and I went here…because I was carrying money, we were given money. You are given money, after all you are carrying money., it is that when you arrive in a country…. if you reached where you are going by new clothes and change. Isn’t the one we were wearing were dirty, they are dirty nobody wash them as we slept on the way and woke up with these clothes. Yes. So, when I arrived there, there it’s crowded I said no man! In training you are taught what do in situations like this, you change.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=10677.0,10716.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1461","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"This thing they call cutting a tail, you cut the tail, cutting the tail. You are walking like a rectangle as you are going there change, change do this, and when you have arrived do like this, and again do like this heading there, don’t use this way change. Take…. A long the way I continuedly cut tails, cutting tails until exited and entered inside. Even inside also because I don’t know their mission. The story was that…..I was arrested after two months upon arrival, guerrillas were not surviving, I don’t know who was selling us out and how.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=10716.0,10753.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1462","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Boers were asking me; at this time, you were in a specific area…during a specific time…. they were telling me…. They even showed my photo and said you see here? Who is this? you are being beaten; you are interrogated you can’t even see clearly here your eyes are closed? The interrogation is very tough, and another thing you can’t even…. because your brain is not functioning normally. Isn’t when you are interrogated, I am hanged with these steels…. you see these handcuffs I was hanged here on top. When they take you down, they will show you things here, the time you are catching your breath since you have been hanged with handcuffs, they burnt me underneath my foots with cigarette light, you see.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=10753.0,10795.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1463","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"My feet were still hot, they pulled me…if I look at my nails, they are not the same where the pulled me…wow, my nails are not the same, you see. Interrogation, you know how interrogation is like. In other places at times, they put you in a drawer, open the drawer and put private parts in the drawer you see, they want information you don’t know, you see. They the put you tubes here you see, the tubes…. now…but I don’t want to explain about interrogation now.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=10795.0,10826.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1464","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANIDE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=10826.0,10827.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1465","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e If they show you something in your picture you can’t see clearly if it’s you over there you see, they say who is this. They said at this specific time you were in this place; it is said you were in a specific place. In some instances, you deny and say no I was not there, but that you know when I confirmed it? Now. I was interrogated in 1978, when we arrived in jail we were then arrested, we were sentenced with others who were arrested in different ways but it’s the same....[I can't hear him].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=10827.0,10858.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1466","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We were betrayed, someone sell us out there. Boers said wow we have our people in the ANC you don’t know that. No, I didn’t believe them, I said no Boer are lying is it, mx, its propaganda I dint believe that. So, its’s our people that we work week, but we didn’t take that serious. But imagine from 1978, now it’s 2023 I only discovered when I met with Cosbert the one we crossed with, we didn’t return with him he was an ambassador I don’t know in other…..Saudi Arabia, Arab States. We are chatting with him, we are just having a chat because we crossed with him, after all we chatted.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=10858.0,10895.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1467","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I said Boers, Boers told me that…showing our pictures…I don’t know who took our pictures because we didn’t have a camera at the camp. He said, isn’t NPLA was a government, so if it was a government, they had cameras they were shooting us there, there were Boers on the NPLA, they took pictures of us. So, we will thing that we are sold by people from the ANC whereas Hhheee... these people are working for the Boers, they gave the Boers money they want our pictures. 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I concluded while I was just analyzing that really. 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He fetched all the commanders who sold us out, it was at City Hall during the day, he put a firing squad they were shot, you see. So, it’s the possibility in these government, we were relaxed whereas pictures of us were taken in other areas.  You are seated, chatting, or perhaps drinking here it’s fun you saw a person hey, so and so someone is taking a picture of you, you get it. So, Boers are revealing pictures as if it’s their intelligence.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=10953.0,10987.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1474","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANIDE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e Within the ANC?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=10987.0,10988.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1475","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e In the ANC yes, you found that the operation is like that it’s propaganda, ANC must be bad, must be painted bad as they are switching off electricity now it’s the ANC. Wow ANC is now Eskom, it is switching off electricity, water finishes, it’s the ANC it’s depriving us water, you here that thing. So, of course there is that thing, it was their propaganda that they began a long time ago.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=10988.0,11018.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1476","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e You just eat this soup you are photographed.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=11018.0,11020.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1477","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU XUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e You are being photographed you see, you are happy that it’s soup, you don’t even know a starter you are eating, and you are just photographed., you see. You are in a specific place, you are photographed, it was only then that we put it all together.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=11020.0,11028.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1478","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e Now brother let's go back a little bit.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=11028.0,11031.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1479","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=11031.0,11034.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1480","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e You have lost each other with your contact.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=11034.0,11035.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1481","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e Sure.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=11035.0,11036.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1482","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e You are already inside in the country, as a soldier you have to survive here.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=11036.0,11040.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1483","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e Of course.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=11040.0,11042.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1484","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e You should now forget about the issue of a contact.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=11042.0,11044.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1485","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e No, after all you forget about the contact. After all, when it’s lost, it’s lost you won’t get it, you won’t go back.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=11044.0,11048.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1486","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e How was he arrested? What happened?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=11048.0,11051.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1487","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e Eish!","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=11051.0,11052.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1488","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e Where is he?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=11052.0,11053.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1489","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e Then on being arrested, I worked when I got inside.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=11053.0,11056.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1490","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e You were working where?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=11056.0,11057.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1491","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e Here in Durban at Umlazi.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=11057.0,11059.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1492","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e Ok. No, no, no before that, let's move from the border.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=11059.0,11062.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1493","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e On the border, I went and entered inside the border. I went because I had money, I took a bus, in the bus it’s not easy for people to dictate you. The bus was from Phongolo to Mkhuze.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=11062.0,11078.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1494","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e The phulumende?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=11078.0,11079.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1495","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, phulumende I rode another one going to Mpangeni. At Mpangeni there were people I knew, I arrived and….. Are you clean?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=11079.0,11084.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1496","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e Are you clean?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=11084.0,11084.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1497","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e Are you clean? Hhhheee...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=11084.0,11085.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1498","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e You have bought clothes? I mean that…..","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=11085.0,11087.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1499","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e Hhhhee... Are you grand?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=11087.0,11088.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1500","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e Are you grand?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=11088.0,11088.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1501","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e Are you grand? Hhhhee ... Isn’t of course when you go to Mkhuze people there are……","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=11088.0,11091.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1502","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=11091.0,11092.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1503","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e The city, which is in farms you see, it’s not easy to be seen that no this one. Of course there are other unclean locals as well…..","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=11092.0,11097.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1504","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e Just locals?... Mmmm ...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=11097.0,11099.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1505","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e Now they don't know whether it’s a local old hobo....[laughter]...So, I mean that...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=11099.0,11105.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1506","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, there you just take a ride and go?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=11105.0,11108.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1507","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e Of course, I'm going and at times buying...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=11108.0,11109.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1508","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e You drop off at Mkhuze and went to Mpangeni?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=11109.0,11110.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1509","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, I went to Empangeni.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=11110.0,11111.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1510","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e At Mpangeni, if you move from Mkhuze you took another bus?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=11111.0,11115.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1511","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e I took another bus yes, I took another bus and bought clothes so that I can dress and be grand, you see. No, I also bought a jacket for me to look respectable.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=11115.0,11126.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1512","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e You bought a leather, don’t buy a leather.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=11126.0,11128.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1513","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e Hhhhee... no, not leather jacket, I didnt buy leather jacket. I didn’t want to because during that time leather was won by criminals, you see…..","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=11128.0,11133.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1514","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=11133.0,11134.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1515","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e They will be suspicious. Yes, I see.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=11134.0,11136.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1516","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, I see.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=11136.0,11136.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1517","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, I see. Maybe this is a criminal, you see. The person who wore leather during this time was a criminal.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=11136.0,11139.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1518","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, sure","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=11139.0,11141.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1519","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e But even now they still wear leather, but anyone can wear a leather now, but during that time it was going to be suspicious that why did I choose that jacket bought a jacket, I bought it there at Mpangeni when I went to check other gents that I knew, who knew that I was out.  I stayed with the, we attended school together at Dlangezwa, others I got there and stayed with them. I am recruiting them now.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=11141.0,11162.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1520","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e You are instilling politics to them?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=11162.0,11164.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1521","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e I am just instilling politics ...[laughter]...  whereas one of them is of course political. He said, you know what brother, you know what is required, we need to cross and fetch guns there is nothing we are discussing you see. And then I said that will happen brothers they don’t know that I have crossed I am carrying a gun you see. I educated them, I educated them, and I left them I said brothers I will see you some other time I am going to Durban.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=11164.0,11188.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1522","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e What are you traveling with?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=11188.0,11189.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1523","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e Empangeni.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=11189.0,11190.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1524","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e What are you riding from Mpangeni?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=11190.0,11191.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1525","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e I am staying behind in a bus...[laughter]... I travel with a bus, I am just a bus person who travels with bus here, it would be said “the bus is going”! I enter the bus you see.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=11191.0,11199.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1526","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e Where are you seated in the bus? Where do you seat?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=11199.0,11201.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1527","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e I seat at the back.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=11201.0,11204.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1528","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e You must see everyone who enters.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=11204.0,11205.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1529","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e I must see everyone, nobody will seat behind me unless the backseat is full, I take maybe the second or third seat, but I must see a person who enters. Because if a wrong person enters, I am prepared to pull the gun and shot so that’s why I am sitting here. I am not sitting in the corner; I seat here by the passage at the end of the seat. If I am sitting at the back seat, I seat in the middle of the backseat so that I can see the type of a person who enters.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=11205.0,11233.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1530","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Because if he keeps on going, and…before he reaches me, I have already seen him I have pulled the gun and hide it and cock it he will also be surprised here as well, and it will be smoky, you see. So, I am on a strategy now, I am using knowledge I obtained from training. I survived there on the contact and went to Mkhuze, I survived Mkhuze and went to Mpangeni now I am going to Durban. So, So, when I rode a bus, it was phulumende at that time there were no Greyhound, buses from Greyhound and Intercape didn’t exist it was only phulumende. We carried suitcase, it was said suitcase not a bag, a suitcase yes, you are just sitting on the phulumende, you see. Again, if you are just carrying a hand luggage you are not carrying a lot of things, you are just carrying a few things.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=11233.0,11281.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1531","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e You dropped off here in Durban?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=11281.0,11283.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1532","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e I dropped off here in Durban and then I walked. So, when I reached Durban, I went to look for other gentlemen I knew, they knew me politically you see. Now the problem is that in Durban, hey in Durban it’s impossible that there is no one who knows you the whole of Durban.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=11283.0,11296.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1533","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANIDE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e Heh heh.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=11296.0,11297.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1534","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e You see, another one will see you and say wow you are back? I would say back from where? It was said that you left. I said no I was in Johannesburg; I went to look for a job in Johannesburg. Such a long time? I said yes, I had a good job, I was working as a manager there in Johannesburg. You will see that this person will raise suspicions here, I said yes, you see. There is money here, you see I have money I am well off, He said wow let go to a restaurant, isn’t I want to understand what he is talking about; we sat there and eat.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=11297.0,11327.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1535","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"No, he found that... Hhhhee ... the excitement of that it’s been long since he last saw me, he believed that it’s true, isn’t I have money. Yes, I was in Johannesburg, I was working in Johannesburg. Because I want to silence him and find out what is the trend here. Oh, it’s a trend that I crossed and left, so this thing of that I went to Johannesburg it’s won’t work everyone who sees me just…..Even the informants we saw him in a specific place, we saw him in a specific place, before I left I established a stand at Umlazi….","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=11327.0,11357.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1536","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e Well then, you looked and found the gents, the one you knew politically?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=11357.0,11363.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1537","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e I found two, the other they said they don’t know where they went, I said no maybe they went to Johannesburg.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=11363.0,11366.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1538","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e So, firstly, first day where did you sleep?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=11366.0,11370.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1539","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e No, the first day I slept on these gents, after all they are my friends.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=11370.0,11373.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1540","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, where do they live?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=11373.0,11375.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1541","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e Another one he lived in Lamonti another one he lived of KwaMashu. I saw that this thing is compromising me because in Durban you cannot be known.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=11375.0,11385.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1542","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANIDE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e You grew up there? yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=11385.0,11386.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1543","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, you can't e unknown. But I didn’t stay long with them I just said, I educated them, these one’s are right I will return to them. There are some that I left at Mpangeni, and there are some I left here, and I said no, let me go and stay at Umlazi. Umlazi the I said it’s a new established township that is not yet smart you see, the smart townships were Chesterville, Lamont and KwaMashu. At KwaMashu was full of crime, they ate a dog that’s why it’s called isinqawunqawu. So, at KwaMashu, Kwamashu was troublesome and other people moved from Chesterville at Mkhumbane and the Chunu’s were just fighting, there are people of war at KwaMashu.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=11386.0,11423.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1544","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"KwaMashu began with violence from its establishment KwaMashu has never been alright. I said no, let me dot go to KwaMashu because there is this thing let me go to Umlazi, I said wow at Umlazi it’s quite....[I can't hear him]...Zulu Government was is led by Gatsha at Umlazi, I said no it’s a good township a person can survive here. Indeed, I got there and survived at Umlazi, I established a unit at Umlazi, I trained the unit, I trained it politically. I said this is the unit I have…….and then I got a guy who is a Courier that I will send to Swaziland, I trained him with the codes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=11423.0,11492.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1545","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I have a report for there, what the report says, it says he was learnt the codes I said this report once you have understood, tear it, you don’t carry it because I don’t want anyone to see this information. It means when he gets arrested, they kept him for days, where I am at they know, and he knows there is a gun so the SB’s I don’t want them to come for me, they are weighing my days. I had bad luck of this weather; do you sometimes see the Durban weather it rains for the whole week, and I cannot operate but now I am waiting for him to return.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=11492.0,11530.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1546","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But on the other hand, during the day of course during the day I am sleeping I wake up in the night. No, I then go out, no, the rain is bed man! The rain is terrible hey……Because I am supposed to go to Claremont to open another unit, I have a unit at Mpangeni you see, I have a unit in Durban, I must open a second unit here in Durban so that when it’s hot I can work in another unit. So, this boy got arrested, if he got arrested, I didn’t know, isn’t cellphone didn’t exist yet.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=11530.0,11560.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1547","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANIDE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e They don’t exist... Mmmm ...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=11560.0,11561.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1548","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, when I didn’t know he was arrested he know that II come out in the night. But there was something strange I noticed when I went out in the night. When I came out at night there is a car parked there, dimmed, I said this car is dangerous it stayed for 2 to 3 days. I said no this car, no never here, the time I went out…..you see in township areas there is a stoop it goes like this [shows with hands] This car no, this car is not right. Whereas this car is for SB’s meaning they were checking my routine.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=11561.0,11600.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1549","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANIDE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=11600.0,11602.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1550","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e But now the problem is that I cannot just shot this car maybe I will shoot wrong people, maybe it’s criminals they are coming to their places. No, but I suspect this car says my sixth sense that……this car is not right. It rained and I didn’t return you see, I came back at dawn, I came back early morning I am tired as, it’s raining, this thing of Durban it rains continuously it doesn’t stop raining. Hey, I entered here when I got there, when I got inside I am wet I said no nx..I am a soldier, of course a soldier….For us that is this thing called there is no raining in the army you see, it is said there is no rain….","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=11602.0,11641.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1551","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"In the army if it’s raining, it’s thundering, it is said there is no rain in the army I have that principle [I can't hear him] there is lightning, it breaks through lightning we are at a shooting range, we are shooting guns, lay down and take positions, lay with  stomachs  and shoot, there is mud here, it’s lightening, you are doing target. You are just told that there is no rain in the army, so I have that thing also that no man, even if I get wet there is no rain in the army, the thing of being tire ends. No, I returned, got there, no I opened, when I enter there, I am tired, I slept. No, maybe an hour didn’t finish while I am sleeping. You see the time sleep goes deep I wake up, I am pointed like this [shows with hands] with guns and search lights, like this, I am flashed like this.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=11641.0,11688.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1552","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e You don't see anything?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=11688.0,11689.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1553","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e Again, you are tired, you just don’t see anything brother, you see this thing, there’s no rain in the army, whereas they have been monitoring me for a while. And silently I am saying yes man, but I suspected that car, but you cannot provoke a car you don’t know. I said it is that car it cannot be another one. No, they beat me with a gun in the head, yes!","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=11689.0,11708.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1554","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Now when I woke up here, it only when my mind come back that no I am being arrested here, I need a gun, my gun is under the pillow, the pistol. The time I rushed into it they then grab me, the pistol fell off they said wow, you want to shoot us, this is a trained terrorist. Eish, because if I got the gun….If I noticed before I was going to pull it, we were going to fight, whoever dies dies, there were going to be corpse there. Hey, I got arrested like that. I got arrested I am tired, I was wet because there is no rain in the army….[laughter]...This principle you just see...[laughter]... I just sleeping saying……","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=11708.0,11750.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1555","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e And now you must connect with, how?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=11750.0,11754.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1556","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, the person that I sent hasn’t returned.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=11754.0,11756.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1557","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, but how come?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=11756.0,11757.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1558","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e I only realized when I was in court that oh, this one was arrested, and he released information. Now it means that he was a beginner, I forgave him I said he was still learning after all, I was just sending him, he is a courier that delivers information, he goes to a specific place and contact who. Because I wanted to open a new unit, be established, communicate with them because I lost this one, I thought when he got these, he will be able to contact them, contact Dan, contact Pass Four.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=11757.0,11784.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1559","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I was then arrested just like that. Hey, I said yes man! Whereas I though in my mind, I will never be arrested…I would say I will not get arrested that’s something that won’t happen, there will just be deaths, I will not get arrested while carrying a gun. Wow, how can I get arresting while carrying a gun? If it is said surrender I will just [he shows with my hands] pulled and pull the trigger it will be clear who knows the gun, that’s better you see, so I had that thing then I was arrested just like that then.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=11784.0,11811.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1560","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e No brother maybe let hold it there for today.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=11811.0,11813.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1561","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e Ok. For today?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=11813.0,11814.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1562","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, today.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=11814.0,11817.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1563","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e (Laughter)...Ok, there is no problem, there is no problem. But how is it, is it audible?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=11817.0,11822.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1564","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e It’s grand. Before we close, questions?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=11822.0,11826.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1565","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, yes, my brothers’ questions, I have been talking for a long while, what is the time now? Haaa…Is there a person who speaks for such a long time as if he earns.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=11826.0,11834.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1566","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e Or we will ask later?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=11834.0,11837.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1567","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e Or are you impressed, well you can be impressed and say hey, it’s like I am watching a movie, James...[laughter]...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=11837.0,11848.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1568","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003ePHILANI GABELA:\u003c/strong\u003e Sorry, I have one question.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=11848.0,11850.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1569","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=11850.0,11851.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1570","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003ePHILANI GABELA:\u003c/strong\u003e That the time you left to join, is there a time where you regretted for going there, it would be better if you stayed behind at home, and you didn’t go to join the armed struggle?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=11851.0,11863.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1571","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, that if maybe there was a time where I regretted?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=11863.0,11866.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1572","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003ePHILANI GABELA:\u003c/strong\u003e Did you regret, you see?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=11866.0,11867.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1573","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e No!","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=11867.0,11868.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1574","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003ePHILANI GABELA:\u003c/strong\u003e If when you saw that your life was in danger or it’s at risk?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=11868.0,11871.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1575","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, isn’t the time I left, when I left, I was wanted by SB’s I was going to be arrested. So, I had to choose whether I get arrested or leave, so that’s the first thing, as I was going my thing was there, as I explained how I left school. And, that our school, Lamont Hight School it was political, Lamont High School was very political. I recall that there is a part I didn’t talk about that before we left, we met and speak politics as students. We spoke politics in churches. You see the church at Xundu, that one there?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=11871.0,11903.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1576","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANIDE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=11903.0,11904.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1577","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e We discussed politics there at Chesterville Baptist, we discussed politics there. At Claremont at KwaDabeka we met but I didn’t get to details of student politics you see, I was scared for...So there was no time where I regrated why I left, of course I wanted to go. I wanted to revenge, well boers were shooting students, they were killing us as students, we are just killed for Afrikaans, for it to me medium of instruction by force, two all subjects were to be taught in Afrikaans for everyone.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=11904.0,11933.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1578","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We said there is no such a thing you can’t have Afrikaans as medium of instruction. How will be learn Math in Afrikaans, Geography in Afrikaans, you see. Leave it aside that you will learn Afrikaans in Afrikaans, but I mean how will you learn other subjects in Afrikaans that is one. Two, we learnt that it was no longer Afrikaans it was Bantu Education the entire education of Bantu is terrible. In the township we understood that oh, it’s not about Afrikaans it’s Bantu Education, that’s why there is education of black people and whites, and that of other people.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=11933.0,11964.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1579","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Oh, we are going to be given Bantu the inferior one the one that teaches you so that you wait and be paid month, work in the factories, and were overalls written the name of the factories. Written PRASA you see, Pick N Pay white people don’t wear that, you won’t see a white person wearing something written Pick N Pay, that’s a black person, it’s Bantu Education, it’s the way we are trained you see. Then from Bantu Education I realized that oh, ok it’s not Bantu Education, it’s the whole system, apartheid is a system which we need to fight the entire system of the apartheid. I said you know what, we will fight this system, of course I have been observing this.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=11964.0,11999.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1580","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"In church I have seen it, I have seen it at home, I saw it in the township, I saw it at school of course we don't have an option you see, I never regrated because I said of course a person needs to fight. If he dies, of course a soldier dies, a soldier dies in a war, it doesn’t die anywhere else, a soldier dies in the war, if you die you die in war other who are left behind will continue. So, this was my thinking that here I am going to fight, now I will take a gun and go and fight, I am war there is no other thing. That is why I refused when it was said I should go to school, I said I am not going to school, I will not set my foot there. They will not be burning schools and at home they are telling me to go to school in exile. Other went to school you were given an option that you go to school or in the army, I said I wanted a...[laughter]...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=11999.0,12049.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1581","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003ePHILANI GABELA:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, which year was it when you were arrested?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=12049.0,12051.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1582","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e 1978, 1978 I got out at 20... not in 1991 I stayed ... I was sentenced 22 years. I was sentenced 22 years, we were released by the agreement we have not entered on that part, that’s another part we will get into it…","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=12051.0,12068.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1583","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes. Hmmm ...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=12068.0,12069.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1584","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e I was sentenced to 22 years.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=12069.0,12071.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1585","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003ePHILANI GABELA:\u003c/strong\u003e You were arrested for?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=12071.0,12072.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1586","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e The activities of...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=12072.0,12073.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1587","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eS ADVICE:\u003c/strong\u003e ZACA' Where were you arrested?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=12073.0,12074.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1588","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e I was arrested in Umlazi, I was taken to Maritzburg. That's why I was sentenced in Maritzburg, and I was taken there in Loskop Pretoria, I passed by Condemn Cell where people are hanged, I was taken to Robben Island.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=12074.0,12088.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1589","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eZACA ADVICE:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, you went to Robben Island?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=12088.0,12089.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1590","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, I stayed at Robben Island, I was at Robben Island for 13 years.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=12089.0,12096.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1591","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eZACA ADVICE:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, do you know Mr. Sipho Msomi.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=12096.0,12097.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1592","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e Sipho, I know him, he is from Lamont?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=12097.0,12098.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1593","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eZACA ADVICE:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=12098.0,12099.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1594","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, I know Sipho Msomi with Qonda Msomi?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=12099.0,12101.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1595","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eZACA ADVICE:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=12101.0,12103.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1596","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e They also ...[I can't hear him]... On their unit they were with Bheki Cele in the same unit, I know them they arrived after me, I enlightened them when they arrived at….I was the mastermind  of  knowledge there, they were they were educated by me.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=12103.0,12117.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1597","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eS ADVICE:\u003c/strong\u003e ZACA' Father Sipho is a tour guard on the Island.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=12117.0,12120.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1598","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, Sipho and all the gang from Lamont arrived on me, and the one who is the General on the Police Zero, Thuso. Do you know Thuso Chika.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=12120.0,12128.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1599","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e Hmmm ...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=12128.0,12130.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1600","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e Ok, yes, I know them.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=12130.0,12133.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1601","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eNOSIPHO DLAMINI:\u003c/strong\u003e The story when you were in Maputo if I am not mistaken the issue of starters. And now those whites who were spies how did they know who must be photographed until you were searched with photographs when you were arrested, and they said is this you? Like if people arrive, how do they know....[I can't hear well, he is far from the recorder and he is speaking down]... how do they identify that a person needs to be photographed, who is a target while you are at the hotel.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=12133.0,12154.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1602","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e Ehh ... at the hotel when you arrive. ...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=12154.0,12157.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1603","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eNOSIPHO DLAMINI:\u003c/strong\u003e As you are saying that…. [I don't hear her, please go back to this one to be sure what's being said] ... ANC we have people whereas there are none.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=12157.0,12159.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1604","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e Alright. Isn’t a person who works for the boers is trained on how to identify strangers. If you are a stranger, you are seen in the areas that this one is not from here. One, we don’t speak Portuguese we are speaking IsiZulu or English, these ones are not from here. Two, the way we dress isn’t we are wearing umphando, you still recall umphando the solidarity, they know that these are coming from training, these are soldiers you get it, you just see by umphando. Even me I saw umphando when I was in Maputo that this…..returned from training. So, meaning that those people who were spies of the boers they were targeting us by the way we dress and the language, and age we were young.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=12159.0,12200.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1605","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANIDE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, and the movement?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=12200.0,12201.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1606","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e Also the movement you see, so it’s a lot, it’s been a while they…..isn’t they are trained, so they are able to identify us, it’s use who didn’t know how to identify them, we just see ordinary people. Isn’t we were learning to be civil; we are learning to be civil so if you want a civilian life, you learn how they live like that, the civil life when you turn from the military. It’s the first time we went to train, it’s the first time we are soldiers, it’s the first time we enter the civilian life we are still learning. So, that’s why at times there are mistakes, it’s a trail in error that no let learns to be civil brothers be similar to other people, you see.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=12201.0,12234.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1607","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO :\u003c/strong\u003e So, this thing of spies within ANC wasn’t true, there were playing with your minds?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=12234.0,12237.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1608","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e Hhheena...  there was no such a thing Boers they wanted that……..it was their propaganda.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=12237.0,12241.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1609","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003ePHILANI GABELA:\u003c/strong\u003e Dilute ... [He is far away from the recorder, it’s not clear what his saying]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=12241.0,12242.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1610","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e Dilute that no, ANC is the culprit, it gave the instruction for you to be arrested.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=12242.0,12246.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1611","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eALL:\u003c/strong\u003e Hmmm ...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=12246.0,12247.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1612","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e It's like Eskom... we say we saw electricity being switched off, where does ANC get involve with electricity. Let me tell you another story….....[I can't hear him, his speaking quickly it’s inaudible]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=12247.0,12254.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1613","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e Ok.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=12254.0,12255.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1614","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e In other residents if it’s almost time to dish up...[laughter]... they're kicking you out it is sometimes asked, perhaps you are sitting there, when is electricity going, they will point you with their eyes when is electricity going. They want you to go, you see, you will think they are referring to electricity, but they are referring to you.  ...[laughter]... It will be said when is electricity going. Hey, you will say you’re going…it will be said electricity is about to go now, electricity is just going whereas you are electricity, you see. They are dishing up then {onkabi?} you see, get out and leave so that they remain behind and dish up, you see.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=12255.0,12283.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1615","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So, this thing of Eskom, the ANC…. ANC is switching off electricity. ANC is the one who did this you see, everything…..it’s what they call narrative propaganda. Narrative it’s where you tell lies or saying something that is not true, saying it repeatedly until people believe it. It will be said do you know it’s the ANC that witches off electricity, you know., there are some who say it is switched off by Ramaphosa, how doe Ramaphosa associate with electricity? There is Gwede Mantashe he is the Mister of Energy, there is Ramokgoba Minister of electricity.  If you are saying it was switched off by the ANC or it is switched off by Ramaphosa.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=12283.0,12319.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1616","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Why is Ramaphosa switching off electricity? If he turns off electricity, what is he going to light with at his house, you hear that thing. But this thing of that ANC switches off electricity, you must believe it, it’s a lie that why it was said we were terrorist, the continuously say we are terrorist and people ended believing that we were terrorist. It was said it’s a terrost….ehh….it eats people, when have I eaten a person? You see if you look at me am I a terrorist.... [laughter] ... By the way it was said we were terrorist, they repeated that, it’s narrative propaganda…..","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=12319.0,12344.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1617","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003ePHILANI GABELA:\u003c/strong\u003e Terrorists.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=12344.0,12345.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1618","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e Terrorists yes, it’s exactly them. Terrorists are inside meaning that that of course…they heard when we were already inside operating you see, they are inside. Terrorist, the terrorist you see., they repeated that, repeated until people believe it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=12345.0,12360.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1619","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e ...ANC…It changed peoples mentality...[I can't hear him well]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=12360.0,12363.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1620","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e Exactly the narrative. Hitler, you remember Hitler from German.  Hitler, you need to tell lies every day until they are the truth, lie continuously every day, tell lies until they are the truth. He says, you must tell lies every day until lies become the truth, people believed that it’s true their thing, the propaganda. And Boers then were trained in German, you are trained by Hitler, you have that thing of telling lies every day, just tell lies everyday you see, until we believe that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=12363.0,12396.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1621","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"They were taught by Hilter to tell lies every day; those lies become the truth. People really believe that ANC switches off electricity, why did it switched off on the…on members of the ANC, and not switch off for those who are not ANC, you hear that thing. But because people don’t analyze no, no, ANC turns off electricity. Mnx…we won’t vote for it, you know, it switches electricity off. Let vote for DA, DA will switch on electricity for us, we will make you suffer switch of electricity, it will make you suffer. Vote for your DA then it will make you suffer vote for DA. You see similar to Israel, right now the war in Gaza has divided Muslims, they are divided.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=12396.0,12432.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1622","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"People are being killed there, Muslims are being killed, kids are being killed and…..Now if you are Muslim you vote for DA, DA supports Israel that Muslims must be killed. Now the question says, if you are a Muslim with good mental state, you will go and vote for DA? You hear. Are you going to vote DA as a Muslim with good mental state, supporting Israel that people must be killed while you are a Muslim. Even if you are not a Muslim, let say you are just an ordinary person people are being killed, will you vote for a party that says people must be killed? You hear.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=12432.0,12463.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1623","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eALL:\u003c/strong\u003e Mmmm ... Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=12463.0,12464.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1624","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e So, it's just something like that but there then there are those who love it, no, the DA they think it’s fashion, especially those called model C, and clever black it is normally said like that, they are called clever blacks they love DA. No we will just vote for DA. What is that Democratic Alliance. What is Democratic there? There’s nothing Democratic but if there are clever blacks, they learnt poison this thing of you swallows and vomit…you swallow and you vomit, they got a degree or whatsoever he got, he thinks this is the thing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=12464.0,12492.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1625","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He doesn’t question where we are coming from, who we are you hear? Where are we now, where are we going? He is only concern about that he is a clever black, he swallowed and vomited, whatever he is vomiting, he got what he needed now he is grand he doesn’t care about everything else.  Whereas the Boers we didn’t even seat on the couch, there was a couch for Boers, we didn’t buy in the shop it was said this shop…. In the beach we didn’t swim, as I have indicated that North Beach it was a place…it was written, \"Whites Only\" you are found there, you got arrested.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=12492.0,12523.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1626","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUZIWANDILE HADEBE:\u003c/strong\u003e And toilet.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=12523.0,12524.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1627","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eMUNTU NXUMALO:\u003c/strong\u003e And the toilet you get. There was a lot that was done by Boers, you see if Boers were to be reinstated, DA are Boers, our kids that are DA they will learn what that means. You hear, they will learn that oh, Da is such a thin, they will learn there maybe their minds will be unchained when Boers are in power.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=12524.0,12543.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1628","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Because Boers don’t care about a black person, they don’t care about a black person you can be whatever, and whatever…..There they are the likes of Lindiwe Mazibuko they have left it you see, there are Mmusi Maimane they have left because they are fools. They have seen that no this thing is not working, we though this thing was working, this thing is not working you see, those that are in positions I don’t know if you are going to be an ordinary support of the DA you won’t be anything, you want to vote for DA, you are nothing of course they don’t care about you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=12543.0,12572.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/transcript/67479/annotation/1629","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eALL:\u003c/strong\u003e Mmmm...\n\nEND","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=12572.0,12634.623"}]},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/index/83757","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["Timothy Sibusiso Muntu 'Nganono' Nxumalo 06-14-2024 11:29 [Index]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/index/83757/annotation/1630","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Theme Song","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Title"]}}],"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=0.0,13.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/index/83757/annotation/1631","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Introduction","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Title"]}}],"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=14.0,76.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/index/83757/annotation/1632","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"An oral history interview with Timothy Sibusiso Muntu Nxumalo conducted by the Department of Sport, Art, and Culture Archives Oral History Unit, aims to capture the life experiences and political involvement. Nxumalo, a prominent figure in the African National Congress's military division Umkhonto WeSizwe, actively resisted the apartheid government and was given a 22-year prison sentence on Robben Island.\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Synopsis"]}}],"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=14.0,76.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/index/83757/annotation/1633","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Introduction","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Keywords"]}},{"type":"TextualBody","value":"African National Congress","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Keywords"]}},{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Umkhonto WeSizwe","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Keywords"]}},{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Robben Island","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Keywords"]}},{"type":"TextualBody","value":"ANC","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Keywords"]}},{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MKMVA","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Keywords"]}}],"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=14.0,76.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/index/83757/annotation/1634","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Family tree","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Title"]}}],"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=76.0,975.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/index/83757/annotation/1635","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Timothy Sibusiso Muntu Nxumalo, also known as Nganono, discusses his life experiences and considers the fight for freedom. Muntu, who was born and raised in Chesterville, Durban, is the first child of the late Reverend Clifford Ndoda Nxumalo and the late Mrs. Alice Nomabhunu Nxumalo. The Nxumalo family originally comes from Nongoma but moved to Ntshongweni, where Muntu's father was born. Muntu comes from a long line of fighters and leaders, with his father serving as a Pastor at Bantu Baptist Church, his uncle Alfred being a soldier of Umkhonto WeSizwe, his grandfather Fanono Nxumalo known for his involvement in various wars, and his great-grandfather Mvayiwana, who was famous for bringing back an enemy's head after each battle at Isandlwana. The Jali family's maternal lineage does not have a history of involvement in wars, religion, and politics.","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Synopsis"]}}],"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=76.0,975.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/index/83757/annotation/1636","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Chesterville","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Keywords"]}},{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Nganono","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Keywords"]}},{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ndoda Nxumalo","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Keywords"]}},{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bantu Baptist Church","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Keywords"]}},{"type":"TextualBody","value":"ANC","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Keywords"]}},{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MKMVA","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Keywords"]}}],"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=76.0,975.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/index/83757/annotation/1637","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Early childhood","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Title"]}}],"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=975.0,1357.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/index/83757/annotation/1638","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"In their early years, the township lifestyle seemed captivating, with plenty of social connections, which is why traveling to the rural village of Ntshongweni was uncommon. He goes on to talk about the irregularities linked to owning property in the township as well as the implementation of apartheid laws. Nxumalo redirects our focus to his upbringing as a clergyman's child, recounting how he and his siblings were restricted, which he referred to as confinement. He stated that being born to a priest brought many difficulties, such as the church policy requiring his father to move every two years, which had a negative impact on their lives due to the constant changes in environment, school, and friends. Nxumalo explains that despite his youth, oppression was evident in society, particularly within religion. He notes that the Baptist Church was segregated, with a church reserved for whites and another for blacks. White priests remained in their well-equipped churches, driving cars, while his father was only given a bicycle. He mentions being bullied at school because his father rode a bike; the situation escalated if his father had an accident while biking. Nxumalo recalls that as a child, he asked his grandmother MaNdlovu why only black priests were relocated and why cars were only given to white priests, questioning if they were not all worshiping the same god. His grandmother shut him down, saying such questions were not allowed.","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Synopsis"]}}],"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=975.0,1357.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/index/83757/annotation/1639","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"property ownership","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Keywords"]}},{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Municipal land","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Keywords"]}},{"type":"TextualBody","value":"apartheid laws","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Keywords"]}},{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bantu Baptist Church","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Keywords"]}}],"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=975.0,1357.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/index/83757/annotation/1640","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Political consciousness ","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Title"]}}],"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=1358.0,2744.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/index/83757/annotation/1641","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Nxumalo goes on to clarify that political consciousness did not emerge all at once, but rather evolved gradually through various life events. He thinks that his political awareness began when he started questioning the church's administration, and it grew further after black students were killed on June 16, 1976. The violent murders of students made him aware of social issues and inspired many students to come together and resist oppression. Political consciousness was also evident in the communities where we came from, as demonstrated by the widespread use of Radio Freedom, as well as the distribution of pamphlets and leaflets by underground ANC members. Nxumalo recalls that the apartheid legislation segregated society by enforcing separate facilities, pass regulations, arrest of unregistered individuals, and banning black individuals from enlisting in the South African National Defence Force.\r\n","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Synopsis"]}}],"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=1358.0,2744.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/index/83757/annotation/1642","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"political awareness","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Keywords"]}},{"type":"TextualBody","value":"June 16, 1976","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Keywords"]}},{"type":"TextualBody","value":"oppression","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Keywords"]}},{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Radio Freedom","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Keywords"]}},{"type":"TextualBody","value":"ANC","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Keywords"]}},{"type":"TextualBody","value":"South African National Defence Force","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Keywords"]}}],"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=1358.0,2744.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/index/83757/annotation/1643","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Resort to exile","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Title"]}}],"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=2745.0,3568.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/index/83757/annotation/1644","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Due to ongoing turmoil in the country, the young people were left with a choice between leaving the country or staying put. If someone decides to stay in the country despite the situation, they will either be killed or taken into custody. Nxumalo stated that when the SB's started looking for him at school and his house, he had no choice but to flee the country. The challenging and dangerous trip into exile was facilitated by help from ANC connections including, Bill Bhengu, Themba Hubusha, Cosbert Hubusha, Mrs Nduli, Comrade Phungula 'Pass Four', and Sabelo Ngobese.","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Synopsis"]}}],"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=2745.0,3568.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/index/83757/annotation/1645","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"unrest","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Keywords"]}},{"type":"TextualBody","value":"youth","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Keywords"]}},{"type":"TextualBody","value":"exile","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Keywords"]}},{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SB’s","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Keywords"]}},{"type":"TextualBody","value":"ANC contacts","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Keywords"]}}],"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=2745.0,3568.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/index/83757/annotation/1646","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"ANC Safehouses","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Title"]}}],"target":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099#t=3569.0,4862.0"},{"id":"https://av.kznarchives.gov.za/collections/2203/collection_resources/114653/file/218099/index/83757/annotation/1647","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Nxumalo explains how they were helped by a man named Mabheyana to cross the border into Swaziland, where they stayed in the ANC safehouse in Manzini before moving to Mozambique. In these secure locations, individuals are required to write a compulsory autobiography which must also cover your understanding of politics. If the details you share in each of these secure shelters do not match, people may think you are acting on behalf of the apartheid regime. Additionally, just like in any other organization, there were specific procedures that had to be adhered to; for instance, photos were taken upon entering, new identities were given, and it was important to never doubt anything. I was given the name Philip Khuzwayo when I was in Swaziland, and in Mozambique, I was known as Katusha. Nxumalo also states that Swaziland was a place where training was conducted internally, and they only ventured out when they departed. Trainings in Mozambique took place outdoors, resulting in unique conditions. Nxumalo also mentions that before each relocation, they were instructed to change clothes and were not informed of their destination. 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Transit camps housed various groups such as uMkhonto Wesizwe, ZAPO, ZEPRA, SWAPO, and Cubans. Some other well-known transit camps were Benguela, Lobido, Funda, North, and Karshie. It is important to also take into account the different ways in which transit camps functioned compared to safehouses. In transit camps, individuals participated in physical activities and received instruction in firearms, politics, military strategies, topography, and urban guerrilla warfare. During the week, classes and physical workouts were held, while on weekends, soldiers washed clothes and engaged in soccer games with soldiers from other camps, particularly those from Cuba. The camp consists of divisions, with each division being led by a Commander and Commissar. Nxumalo also notes that the transit camp implemented multiple safety precautions to guard against potential attacks or ambushes by FNLA and UNITA. Soldiers were given combat uniforms, but they also wore solidarity attire, commonly referred to as umphando, which was gifted by Russia, Poland, Hungary, Yugoslavia, and Cuba. He also contends that despite being distant from their homeland, every transit camp maintained a freedom calendar with ANC details, enabling them to observe South African holidays. Nxumalo additionally mentions that the transit camp showed reverence for different faiths, citing the Muslims as an example, as they were able to pray without any disturbances.\r\nFollowing a 3-month stay in Angola, Nxumalo recounts being relocated to a transit camp in Funda, where they stayed for 2 years. After finishing their training, they were relocated to Zambia and now had to adapt to the lifestyle of regular citizens. The leadership implemented this strategy to assess their preparedness to go back to South Africa. 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He was compelled to continue solo due to his financial resources and knowledge of the task. Afterward, he boarded a phulumende bus, traveling from Phongolo to Mkhuze, Mpangeni, and finally reaching Durban. Nxumalo suggests that it was a challenge to maintain anonymity in Durban townships like KwaMashu, Lamont, Claremont, and Chesterville despite attempting to live quietly as a civilian. In order to prevent any doubts, he relocated to the newly formed town of Umlazi, but was ultimately apprehended there after 2 months and received a 22-year sentence at Robben Island. While being questioned, he was shocked to learn that the police had pictures of him in a different country, leading to a suspicion of betrayal within the ANC. 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